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ben62670 wrote: »

It would be nice to know what he meant about filtering aspects.

The boxes on MIT's and Transparents.

snow

greg2350 wrote: »

Personal:rolleyes: you guys take the cable debates personally Pops wasnt stating his opinion just facts. I have tried the expensive cables and my OPINION was my ears said to my brain cant hear the difference wasnt worth the money.:rolleyes:

Really? interesting that you failed to mentioned that till now, why would you even try considering your father said it wouldndt help? :rolleyes: And even if this is true your mind was allready made up that there wouldndt be a difference because of your fathers oppinion, hard to get an unbiased oppinion on these grounds, and it applys to you and your hearing only not what others may be able to see or hear. As far as your belief that your father is stating facts goes remember at one time leading scientists used to believe the earth was square.



REGARDS SNOW

blueboxer

Wouldn't the addition of a regenerator such as the PS Audio Power Plant or Richard Gray increase the benefits by cleaning or rebuilding the AC before sending it through an upgraded cord to be converted to DC in the unit? This might mitigate some of what Greg posted and also increase the benefits others have heard.

greg2350

snow wrote: »

Really? interesting that you failed to mentioned that till now, why would you even try considering your father said it wouldndt help? :rolleyes: And even if this is true your mind was allready made up that there wouldndt be a difference because of your fathers oppinion, hard to get an unbiased oppinion on these grounds, and it applys to you and your hearing only not what others may be able to see or hear. As far as your belief that your father is stating facts goes remember at one time leading scientists used to believe the earth was square.



REGARDS SNOW

Been a member in here for 7yrs I do more reading than posting the flaming and attacks get old so I dont post much. I would bet ben if you had said the expensive cables dont make a difference every one would agree cause you know ben has 15,000+ posts he must know. but the guy with 400+ what does he know. which I dont know much about electricity just stating facts from someone who does. The politics in here a laughable, doesnt discourage me from visiting the forum daily to get my read on.:cool:

ben62670

They also believed that there was only about 2,200 stars till Galileo invent the telescope I just love it when people think they are so smart. It gives future generations something to laugh at.

snow

greg2350 wrote: »

Been a member in here for 7yrs I do more reading than posting the flaming and attacks get old so I dont post much. I would bet ben if you had said the expensive cables dont make a difference every one would agree cause you know ben has 15,000+ posts he must know. but the guy with 400+ what does he know. which I dont know much about electricity just stating facts from someone who does. The politics in here a laughable, doesnt discourage me from visiting the forum daily to get my read on.:cool:

Completely untrue!! I could care less what Ben's post count is or yours for that matter. Look back and you will see that I posted my beliefs starting at post # 12 Ben began on post # 16 truly sad that you feel once your stance is being disproven that you have to go off the subject alltogether and attempt to make it personal.



REGARDS SNOW

BlueFox

greg2350 wrote: »

Been a member in here for 7yrs I do more reading than posting the flaming and attacks get old so I dont post much. I would bet ben if you had said the expensive cables dont make a difference every one would agree cause you know ben has 15,000+ posts he must know. but the guy with 400+ what does he know. which I dont know much about electricity just stating facts from someone who does. The politics in here a laughable, doesnt discourage me from visiting the forum daily to get my read on.:cool:

Have another beer. I am.

ben62670

greg2350 wrote: »

Been a member in here for 7yrs I do more reading than posting the flaming and attacks get old so I dont post much. I would bet ben if you had said the expensive cables dont make a difference every one would agree cause you know ben has 15,000+ posts he must know. but the guy with 400+ what does he know. which I dont know much about electricity just stating facts from someone who does. The politics in here a laughable, doesnt discourage me from visiting the forum daily to get my read on.:cool:

Me saying cables don't make a difference would not change much here. All I ever say is to use your own ears and you be the judge. Buy some cables used and try them. It is no loss and sometimes a monetary gain if you shop/sell wisely. If it doesn't make a difference cool. What is annoying is when someone tells me that we are "hearing things" that are mind tricks, and they have scientific evidence that we are wrong. How can they tell what we hear? How can they tell so many people that have noted the same sonic changes that they are all sharing the same audible delusion? Why am I repeating myself again? I hope to share what was shared with me when I thought close minded like many of the people that come here. BTW why do all the naysayers always jump on the everyone who believes camp that we all spend mega dollars on cables? I have no expensive cables in my rig. Big money doesn't have to be spent to get some excellent results. Well I have wasted my time again for something to fall on deaf ears.
Enjoy
Ben

snow

ben62670 wrote: »

Me saying cables don't make a difference would not change much here. All I ever say is to use your own ears and you be the judge. Buy some cables used and try them. It is no loss and sometimes a monetary gain if you shop/sell wisely. If it doesn't make a difference cool. What is annoying is when someone tells me that we are "hearing things" that are mind tricks, and they have scientific evidence that we are wrong. How can they tell what we hear? How can they tell so many people that have noted the same sonic changes that they are all sharing the same audible delusion? Why am I repeating myself again? I hope to share what was shared with me when I thought close minded like many of the people that come here. BTW why do all the naysayers always jump on the everyone who believes camp that we all spend mega dollars on cables? I have no expensive cables in my rig. Big money doesn't have to be spent to get some excellent results. Well I have wasted my time again for something to fall on deaf ears.
Enjoy
Ben

Ben he is trying to save you from yourself



REGARDS SNOW

greg2350

ben62670 wrote: »

Me saying cables don't make a difference would not change much here. All I ever say is to use your own ears and you be the judge. Buy some cables used and try them. It is no loss and sometimes a monetary gain if you shop/sell wisely. If it doesn't make a difference cool. What is annoying is when someone tells me that we are "hearing things" that are mind tricks, and they have scientific evidence that we are wrong. How can they tell what we hear? How can they tell so many people that have noted the same sonic changes that they are all sharing the same audible delusion? Why am I repeating myself again? I hope to share what was shared with me when I thought close minded like many of the people that come here. BTW why do all the naysayers always jump on the everyone who believes camp that we all spend mega dollars on cables? I have no expensive cables in my rig. Big money doesn't have to be spent to get some excellent results. Well I have wasted my time again for something to fall on deaf ears.
Enjoy
Ben

Didnt fall on deaf ears Ben I understand what your saying I can see why my post got the reactions it did all is good.

MacLeod

snow wrote: »

Pretty sad :frown: you cant even tell us in your own words you have to use a quote from a magazine 10 years ago. I would understand if this is something you have tried and it didnt work and you then shared your own personal experience but to do it like this is sad.

REGARDS SNOW

OK you got me, I ripped off the gas station analogy from The Audio Critic. It's a good one and has stuck in my head all these years.

The fact that the AC power from your wall is coverted to DC and regulated by your amps power supply before actually juicing your amp or that your AC power travels thru hundreds of miles of standard basic wiring and cabling - well it wasnt hard for me to come up with that on my own.

You're also right that I've never tried a $75 extension cord. I've never jumped off my roof in an attempt to fly either but just from general knowledge and experience, I'm pretty sure I wouldnt be able to.

Just like I'm sure putting jet fuel in my car wouldn't make it fly. And yes, I ripped that off of Family Guy.

ben62670

The transformers are much closer to the house. This is the first real step to getting good power. Almost none of the amps use a regulated power supply. Dirty in is dirty out. Who is saying that people can fly if they jump off a roof? Jet fuel in a car won't make it fly? What does that have to do with audio? Those analogies make as much sense as the gas station one does. When filling a gas tank the car is not running so what you use to fill it with makes no difference. I wouldn't quote that one myself. It actually makes more of an argument that what you fill the tank with(type of gas) has more to do with how it runs.

MacLeod

I'm not smart enough to throw equations at ya so I try to sound smarter by using clever analogies.

The gas station analogy is right on IMO. Doesn't matter what type of hose you're using, the gas will still get in the tank and the car will run the same. Yes the type of fuel matters but 105 octane thru a vinyl hose will work the same as 105 octane thru a rubber hose.

PSU's don't regulate the power? They convert 120 VAC to 12 VDC. They have to regulate it somewhere don't they, so they're not putting out random DC voltages. I'm not talking about the fully regulated units that hold 12 volts regardless how low or high the input voltage is. Maybe "regulated" is the wrong word. Like I said, I aint that smart. :biggrin:

inspiredsports

RuSsMaN wrote: »

Don't use a power conditioner unless you need one. Upgraded power cables can and will make a difference. Upgrading the wall receptacle is beneficial also.

For the OP: I run from a dedicated breaker in the breaker box to a:

Cryoed PS Audio Power Port Premier --> MIT Shotgun AC-1 Power Cable --> APC H10 Conditioner

Then a variety of MIT Shotguns AC-1's/Z-Cord II/Shunyata/Groenberg/Zu/ to components with preamp/CDP/amp getting the best of the bunch.

I added pieces parts over time and the most audible difference was always a lower background noise floor.

For Russ (and it may help the OP): I know my APC is the weakest link (although still very good), but I'm afraid to take it out. You mentioned use a conditioner "if you need one", but how do you know you need one until a surge takes out an expensive component?

inspiredsports

MacLeod wrote: »

I'm not smart enough to throw equations at ya so I try to sound smarter by using clever analogies.

The gas station analogy is right on IMO. Doesn't matter what type of hose you're using, the gas will still get in the tank and the car will run the same. Yes the type of fuel matters but 105 octane thru a vinyl hose will work the same as 105 octane thru a rubber hose.

PSU's don't regulate the power? They convert 120 VAC to 12 VDC. They have to regulate it somewhere don't they, so they're not putting out random DC voltages. I'm not talking about the fully regulated units that hold 12 volts regardless how low or high the input voltage is. Maybe "regulated" is the wrong word. Like I said, I aint that smart. :biggrin:

If all you were trying to accomplish is to get decibels into room I might agree with your gas pump hose analogy.

I think sound quality is a little more subtle than that.

Maybe the difference between a good hose and an old hose with holes in it on an icy, rainy day running through a sewer pipe is a better analogy. I wouldn't want the rain and shizz in my tank, along with all of that wonderful 105 octane fuel.

MacLeod

That is true, but you dont need an expensive, fancy hose to keep rain water out. A plain old rubber hose will do the same job. Any power cord that comes with an amp, receiver or whatever is more than capable of delivering AC from the wall to your components without any issues of crapping up the flow.

snow

MacLeod wrote: »

Like I said, I aint that smart. :biggrin:

Says it all right there



REGARDS SNOW

BlueFox

MacLeod wrote: »

That is true, but you dont need an expensive, fancy hose to keep rain water out. A plain old rubber hose will do the same job. Any power cord that comes with an amp, receiver or whatever is more than capable of delivering AC from the wall to your components without any issues of crapping up the flow.

Personally, I am not going to waste anymore time on this thread, but want to make one final comment. All power cords are not equal. While they might all have 120V at the output, the ability to deliver instantaneous current varies between power cords. The better the current capability the better the power cord. Like it or not, this difference is audible, it is measurable, and it has been posted on this forum numerous times.

ben62670

I picked my nose so hard one time it bleeded.

quadzilla

greg2350 wrote: »

Thats about the responses I expected its cool flame on I will still sleep good tonight. He must not be to poor of an engineer when he designs the guidence systems on the the missles our military use.:rolleyes:

My point was I feel that spending that kinda money on source, amp or speakers will render more improved SQ than buying $2,000 cables

Doesn't mean he knows jack squat about audio reproduction systems.

But yes, in principal you may be right. If you're running a $100 amp, then 2000 for an amp will get you a lot more than 2000 on a power cable. But if you're already running a $20,000 amp, then it might be worth getting a 2000 cable. Or it might not.

Toolfan66

If the electricity coming into the house is as good as it gets and there is no way good cables (power/interconnects RCA/XLR's) can by no means make any difference in sound then how the hell can more expensive gear with better internal's make any difference??

It's all the same power going from point A to B right???

Also you knew this would start a flame so why start it?? you made up your mind already,well your dad did that for you..

greg2350

quadzilla wrote: »

Doesn't mean he knows jack squat about audio reproduction systems.

Your right I forgot you need to be a nuclear physicist to know about audio reproduction systems. They dont use electronics in audio gear anymore its all mini nuclear reactors.:rolleyes: For extra money he would repair all kinds of electronics including audio gear so actually he does know a little something about audio reproduction systems NEXT

TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »

Also you knew this would start a flame so why start it?? you made up your mind already,well your dad did that for you..

I bought the expensive cable before I asked him so no he didnt make up my mind for me. He explained to me why it wouldnt make a difference but I didnt understand the language he was speaking. I find it interesting that SNOW is saying the same thing I am but know attacks at him. I guess I need to get my post count up I see thats how things roll in here.

ben62670

I think 491 posts is the perfect amount for you. I wouldn't raise it a bit.

greg2350

ben62670 wrote: »

I think 491 posts is the perfect amount for you. I wouldn't raise it a bit.

Keyboard toughguy:biggrin: 492 should do it. You average 8.4 post a day you do have a job dont you?
or is posting in the polk forum your job. I think its rather amusing how bent out of shape people in here get and take it personally when someone says cables dont make a difference. Maybe they need to add to the rules dont mention cables along with religion,politics and the other stuff.:biggrin:

ben62670

HeHe. Glad you get my dry humor without crying, or being offended

greg2350

ben62670 wrote: »

HeHe. Glad you get my dry humor without crying, or being offended

nehh ben it takes alot to offend me its all good nothing wrong with a little bantering. Im sure if we met in person we could kick back and have a beer or 2 as the pink says (have a cigar):biggrin:

ben62670

OK enough sweet talk sugar pants. Time to put the gloves back on.

greg2350

ben62670 wrote: »

OK enough sweet talk sugar pants. Time to put the gloves back on.

We can meet at the bike racks after school.:biggrin:

snow

greg2350 wrote: »

Your right I forgot you need to be a nuclear physicist to know about audio reproduction systems. They dont use electronics in audio gear anymore its all mini nuclear reactors.:rolleyes: For extra money he would repair all kinds of electronics including audio gear so actually he does know a little something about audio reproduction systems NEXT



I bought the expensive cable before I asked him so no he didnt make up my mind for me. He explained to me why it wouldnt make a difference but I didnt understand the language he was speaking. I find it interesting that SNOW is saying the same thing I am but know attacks at him. I guess I need to get my post count up I see thats how things roll in here.

Post count means nothing here, You should know this by now, certainly you have seen the oldtimers with thousands of posts battle it out before. If you have tried aftermarket PC's and they didnt work for you fine, not everyone is going to find an improvement, we are all different. The problem here is that you assume that none of us will.



REGARDS SNOW

greg2350

snow wrote: »

Post count means nothing here, You should know this by now, certainly you have seen the oldtimers with thousands of posts battle it out before. If you have tried aftermarket PC's and they didnt work for you fine, not everyone is going to find an improvement, we are all different. The problem here is that you assume that none of us will.



REGARDS SNOW

Agreed I feel spending more or the same as what you spent on your gear is crazy but if I spent $50,000 on gear than yeah spending $5,000 for all your cables wouldnt be that big a deal. And I meant MacLeod not getting attacked for saying the same thing I was not you. im done for now need to keep that post count down.:biggrin: