Do anybody buy Krell or krells Amps anymore?

PolkClyde
PolkClyde Posts: 662
edited February 2011 in Electronics
I haven't heard that name in a long while.I always wanted a couple krell mono blocs.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,406
    edited February 2011
    Why do you want them? What appeals to you about them? Have you heard them before or are you just going by what you have heard over the years? Krell has a house sound that is a little different than most amps.

    I was just wondering what you are basing your "want" for these on since you have a two sentence post. Perhaps a little background about where you want to use these and for waht purpose and associated gear.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
  • ESavinon
    ESavinon Posts: 3,067
    edited February 2011
    Yes, I'm a krell man.
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  • venomclan
    venomclan Posts: 2,467
    edited February 2011
    Krell has been through a lot of changes in the past few years from what I have read.

    A private equity firm forced out the founder Dan D' Agostino.

    They fired their main customer service manager, who had a very good reputation from fans over the years.

    I believe that they also now build in China.

    I liked the Krell products I used to own and the ones I had auditioned in the past. But it seems like a different company now.
  • polkfarmboy
    polkfarmboy Posts: 5,703
    edited February 2011
    krell is awesome and always will be

    I have been considering a 5 channel kav 500 or the 2 ch integrated 400
  • polkatese
    polkatese Posts: 6,767
    edited February 2011
    The new Krell:

    http://www.dagostinoinc.com/

    unless you're buying used gears manufactured prior to KP's acquisition of Krell (December 2009).
    I am sorry, I have no opinion on the matter. I am sure you do. So, don't mind me, I just want to talk audio and pie.
  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,321
    edited February 2011
    I have Installed a few Krell amps last year. None this year but I'm sure someone will want a theater or 2 channel system with all krell.
    Dan
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  • polkfarmboy
    polkfarmboy Posts: 5,703
    edited February 2011
    polkatese wrote: »
    The new Krell:

    http://www.dagostinoinc.com/

    unless you're buying used gears manufactured prior to KP's acquisition of Krell (December 2009).

    Would love to hear some of that guys amp ,but would not like to hear the dollar amount he would charge me
  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited February 2011
    polkatese wrote: »
    The new Krell...
    You had to know that was coming.

    The Momentum is a kinda sweet looking little fella... if you can call a 90 lbs monoblock "little". Love that its look is in part iPhone/ iPad inspired.
    More later,
    Tour...
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  • polkatese
    polkatese Posts: 6,767
    edited February 2011
    "The circuit board is assembled using through-hole construction, which resists heat (and stands the test of time) far better than the usual surface-mount boards can. Using through-hole construction also allows the use of higher-quality capacitors in the circuit. All resistors are 1% metal-film units. There are no capacitors in the signal path—the amplifier is DC-coupled from input to output."

    firing up this puppy require one to take a deep breath and hope that NO pops coming out from the speaks...after all, those brute DC-coupled will have no mercy..

    Bruce, should I order a couple of these "little" on your behalf? I know you want them.
    I am sorry, I have no opinion on the matter. I am sure you do. So, don't mind me, I just want to talk audio and pie.
  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited February 2011
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Krell has a house sound that is a little different than most amps.

    H9

    How would you describe the Krell House sound?
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  • 55LS70
    55LS70 Posts: 184
    edited February 2011
    I've considered, on ocassion, locating and buying either a KSA-50 or KSA-100 amplifier. I believe both are class A. I heard a KSA-50 about 15 years ago and liked the sound. I've been told the KSA-100 is similiar. Maybe someday.
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  • ESavinon
    ESavinon Posts: 3,067
    edited February 2011
    I have a pair of MDA-500 and a pair of KSA-250. I don't need a dedicated heating unit for my house.
    SRT For Life; SDA Forever!

    The SRT SEISMIC System:
    Four main satellite speakers, six powered subs, two dedicated for LFE channel, two center speakers for over/under screen placement and three Control Centers. Amaze your friends, terrorize your neighbors, seize the audio bragging rights for your state. Go ahead, buy it; you only go around once.
  • bopicasso
    bopicasso Posts: 878
    edited February 2011
    I own a kav-300i integrated and love it. It was the best upgrade to my system so far in my journey. I blew through many amps before coming to a complete halt when I heard this krell. :-)
    Living Room setup: Pioneer Elite VSX-21TXH, Krell KAV 300i, PS Audio DL III DAC, Tyler Acoustics Taylo 7u, Dynaudio Audience 120C+, SVS 25/31PCI, B-P-T Clean Power Center, Ps3, Panny 50" S1 Plasma, Tekline speaker cables, Audio Art interconnects, and Pangea power cables.
  • PolkClyde
    PolkClyde Posts: 662
    edited February 2011
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Why do you want them? What appeals to you about them? Have you heard them before or are you just going by what you have heard over the years? Krell has a house sound that is a little different than most amps.

    I was just wondering what you are basing your "want" for these on since you have a two sentence post. Perhaps a little background about where you want to use these and for waht purpose and associated gear.

    H9

    I use to go to a Audio shop,called Sound Advice n Jacksonville. Man,those krells were heavy.at least 250lbs,but I love the sound that I heard and the workmanship in them, 5 Star, bar-none.I was thinking about buying the krell mono blocs.it's not such a big deal any more.I just thought I'll ask you guys.
    PolkAudioClyde
  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited February 2011
    Well... I hope you learned your lesson...
    More later,
    Tour...
    Vox Copuli
    Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. - Old English Proverb

    "Death doesn't come with a Uhaul." - Dennis Gardner

    "It's easy to get lost in price vs performance vs ego vs illusion." - doro
    "There is a certain entertainment value in ripping the occaisonal (sic) buttmunch..." - TroyD
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,406
    edited February 2011
    danz1906 wrote: »
    How would you describe the Krell House sound?

    A little dark and slightly recessed on top. They made some great amps. Not sure the company today is the same as it was. I was just wondering why the OP chose Krell and didn't give any other information about what he has, what he wants, and what he's heard.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,067
    edited February 2011
    bopicasso wrote: »
    I own a kav-300i integrated and love it. It was the best upgrade to my system so far in my journey. I blew through many amps before coming to a complete halt when I heard this krell. :-)

    I had an ear on this unit once, liked it for raw power but left me wanting more up top. Still, a great unit. Those 250 lb. mono's will set you back the price of a car. Would love to hear someone rationalize that to their wife.:smile:
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,500
    edited February 2011
    polkatese wrote: »
    The new Krell:

    http://www.dagostinoinc.com/

    unless you're buying used gears manufactured prior to KP's acquisition of Krell (December 2009).

    These are only a mere $42k:eek:
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  • dvran
    dvran Posts: 280
    edited February 2011
    Krell's are for people who would pay thousands to ten's of thousands of dollars more for audio that's maybe 3% better than let's say Polks LSi's.

    If you were to do a price to sound quality chart, it would be a gradual, then steep curve. After a certain point, you'll pay out the nose for a small % of difference.
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,067
    edited February 2011
    and what point would that be ?
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  • bopicasso
    bopicasso Posts: 878
    edited February 2011
    dvran, I've owned amps by emotiva, b&k and now krell. It was a big jump up in quality from each amp.
    Living Room setup: Pioneer Elite VSX-21TXH, Krell KAV 300i, PS Audio DL III DAC, Tyler Acoustics Taylo 7u, Dynaudio Audience 120C+, SVS 25/31PCI, B-P-T Clean Power Center, Ps3, Panny 50" S1 Plasma, Tekline speaker cables, Audio Art interconnects, and Pangea power cables.
  • cstmar01
    cstmar01 Posts: 4,424
    edited February 2011
    tonyb wrote: »
    and what point would that be ?

    Have to agree Tony, I don't see the point in this, well besides trying to stir crap it appears. :rolleyes:
  • dvran
    dvran Posts: 280
    edited February 2011
    cstmar01 wrote: »
    Have to agree Tony, I don't see the point in this, well besides trying to stir crap it appears. :rolleyes:

    Hello,

    Not stirring crap. Simply saying that if your system is $20,000, then do you believe that an extra $100,000 for a Krell system can justify the extra $$$$ in terms of sound quality? Is it that much better?

    Sorry to cause a ruckus but I'm just going with the original question in the post.
    ~Dan

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  • cstmar01
    cstmar01 Posts: 4,424
    edited February 2011
    dvran wrote: »
    Hello,

    Not stirring crap. Simply saying that if your system is $20,000, then do you believe that an extra $100,000 for a Krell system can justify the extra $$$$ in terms of sound quality? Is it that much better?

    Sorry to cause a ruckus but I'm just going with the original question in the post.

    yeah...krell isn't all over 100K. You can find stuff in the 1000-3000 range easily.

    So no your not really answering the original question. Even some of the mono blocks go for 6500 used for the pair. I think that would easily fit into your 20K system, or even less no?
  • bopicasso
    bopicasso Posts: 878
    edited February 2011
    If you search krell on audiogon there are maybe 10 pieces of gear out of 100 that cost over 10k so dvran, your assumption that is cost 100k to own a krell system is far fetched.
    I paid under 1k for my integrated kav-300i.
    Living Room setup: Pioneer Elite VSX-21TXH, Krell KAV 300i, PS Audio DL III DAC, Tyler Acoustics Taylo 7u, Dynaudio Audience 120C+, SVS 25/31PCI, B-P-T Clean Power Center, Ps3, Panny 50" S1 Plasma, Tekline speaker cables, Audio Art interconnects, and Pangea power cables.
  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited February 2011
    I have a Krell KAV-2250 amp. I use it with my Sonicap'ed SDA-1C's:

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70931

    I replaced an NAD 2200 with it that had these upgrades:

    http://www.angelfire.com/art2/stereorepair117/NAD.htm

    There simply is no understating what a huge upgrade this was. Yes, Krell amps are fantastic. I got mine used from audiogon, in perfect condition for about $2400.
    Good music, a good source, and good power can make SDA's sing. Tubes make them dance.