iPhone cell qestion.. AT&T and Verizon

danger boy

Next month Verizon begins selling the iPhone 4.. i have one already through At&T, can I just switch over to Verizon from AT&T and keep the same Iphone 4?

Knucklehead

No...verizon uses CDMA.

mantis

From what I understand Verizon can not use the cell service and Text , email , go online at the same time. I can do all that with At&T. I'm curious if the experience is going to be the same as Verizon loads all their phones with crap ware. I know Apple won't stand for that or a Verizon logo on the phone. But the phone will be slightly modified to use the new antenna , the volume up and down will be moved slightly down so anyone switching from At&t will not be able to use their current iphone 4 or the cases they already own.

Rumors or fact I'm not sure , it's what I have heard so far. I also heard that Verizon is not as good as At&T out of country , I don't travel outside the country that much so this is a non issue for me.

I'm gonna check out Verizon and see if it makes sense to switch over or not .

brettw22

I do remember commercials that AT&T ran a while back that alluded to you not being able to be on a phonecall and look at email at the same time with Verizon.

I don't remember exactly, but then I've never had a phone that's done everything with Verizon so I haven't ever tested it.

Network-wise, Verizon beats the hell out of AT&T. RARELY will mty VZW phone have signal issues......

Knucklehead

From what I understand, when Verizon goes 4G you will be able to surf the internet and talk at the same time.

[Deleted User]

Verizon does not support voice and data at the same time. The iPhone for AT&T will not work on Verizon's network due to different implementation of technologies.

bobman1235

Knucklehead wrote: »

From what I understand, when Verizon goes 4G you will be able to surf the internet and talk at the same time.

While this is sure to happen some day, this is NOT in the iPhone that is being released in February.

halenhoang wrote: »

Verizon does not support voice and data at the same time. The iPhone for AT&T will not work on Verizon's network due to different implementation of technologies.

What this guy said.

Knucklehead

bobman1235 wrote: »

While this is sure to happen some day, this is NOT in the iPhone that is being released in February.



What this guy said.

Yep, you are right....

dorokusai

Nice to see you guys finally figure this all out for the most part...it's been interesting.

On3s&Z3r0s

Windows Phone 7 ftw!!!!!

(kidding)

RuSsMaN

Droid.

Jstas

On3s&Z3r0s wrote: »

Windows Phone 7 ftw!!!!!

(kidding)

Got one. Love it.

Earthy

My first iPhone didn't allow you to be on a call and use the web, text or email at the same time. You could look at already downloaded email and such. My 3GS allows it all to work at once. Around here, AT$T's coverage is awful. Dropped calls are common. I will be happy to take a step back in time if I can have a 5 minute call without having to call back a couple of times.

On3s&Z3r0s

RuSsMaN wrote: »

Droid.

Yep, I actually have an HTC Evo and love it. Sprint's 4G (WiMax) is shaky even here in Seattle, which was one of their first markets for it, but even just on 3G the thing is sweet. It's gonna start to be a tough call whether to stick with Android when Verizon gets an iPhone that works on their LTE version of 4G, but I'll be surprised if that happens this year.

bruss

On3s&Z3r0s wrote: »

Yep, I actually have an HTC Evo and love it. Sprint's 4G (WiMax) is shaky even here in Seattle, which was one of their first markets for it, but even just on 3G the thing is sweet. It's gonna start to be a tough call whether to stick with Android when Verizon gets an iPhone that works on their LTE version of 4G, but I'll be surprised if that happens this year.

My evo is smoking fast on 4g.

Gempler

I don't get the incredible excitement over the iPhone on Verizon.

I think the iPhone is nice, but so are the Droid and the Blackberry - and each have their distinct advantages.

The AT&T vs. Verizon iPhone differences:
-Presumabaly better domestic coverage will be had with Verizon
-Though the phone is called the 4G (as in 4th iPhone generation) it is not a wireless 4G data phone. It is 3G wireless data phone on both AT&T and Verizon, and AT&T has a much better (read faster) 3G service
-The AT&T being a GSM phone means that it works in most countries outside the USA where as the CDMA Verizon version essentially only works in the USA (and even where it is supported it is unlikely Verizon has a relationship with that country to roam on their network - Verizon has a couple of international phones but the iPhone is not one of them).
-The AT&T iPhone being GSM means it can do voice and data simultaneously, the Verizon CDMA can not. Using your Verizon CDMA iPhone as mobile wireless tethered to your PC don't expect to hear it ring if you get a phone call. Talking to someone using a Verizon CDMA iPhone and want to look something up on the web, sorry, you can't. Verizon is now running iPhone commercials where they say "Yes I can hear you NOW" which is pretty funny, but AT&T should come out with "Yes I can hear you now AND I can surf the web too" which would be even funnier!

But all that aside, the iPhone's big advantage over other phones is the physical design (which is subjective as to weather you like it or not but I think it is remarkably attractive), that it is an iPod, that it has a remarkably good camera for both still and video. On the down side is that it is sort of a crappy email device (though there are some other email clients that can be installed on it), and it has a touch screen keyboard that you either love or hate.

The Droid is no iPod but it has a much more powerful processor than the iPhone, it supports high speed 4G wireless data, it can act as a Wi-Fi hotspot that allows you to tether it to a PC without a cable or special software. And as a plus or a minus (depending on your perspective) it is highly integrated with Gmail and wirelessly synchronizes your Gmail email, contacts, and calendar. As a non Gmail email client it is as mediocre as the iPhone. It has both a touch screen keyboard and a slide out tactile keyboard depending on the model.

The Blackberry has a lot of negatives but it has one big positive that still distinguishes it from the lot. The Blackberry is the only device that has push type email - even with the non-enterprise version (non exchange server) every Blackberry comes with a blackberry.net email account that pushes mail to the phone the instant it is received. This means no delay in receiving mail, no interval between checking for new messages, no battery drain checking for mail even when there is no mail to be had. That is huge for people that use their phone for business and not just 'dicking around' as they say. But the Blackberry has a horrible web browser that nothing good can be said about. Oh, and it does have a nice keyboard.

So that is my assessment of the market. Quite frankly these three devices satisfy almost every persons need, but people have different needs. It astounds me why there are so many devices still on the market, and they all seems to me to be also rans... I suspect the market will look very different on a year or two with much fewer choices and customers with better understanding of the differences between these units.

bobman1235

christophermuto wrote: »

But all that aside, the iPhone's big advantage over other phones is the physical design (which is subjective as to weather you like it or not but I think it is remarkably attractive), that it is an iPod, that it has a remarkably good camera for both still and video. On the down side is that it is sort of a crappy email device (though there are some other email clients that can be installed on it), and it has a touch screen keyboard that you either love or hate.

I wouldn't say any of that is true. Technologically there's nothing that distinguishes the iPhone from competitors. The big advantage of an iPhone over the competitors is the wealth of apps available. It's the most popular smartphone of its ilk by a long shot, and app development reflects that.

When my contract with AT&T was up last summer, I debated ditching my iPhone 3G for an Android equivalent. I looked at all the apps I regularly use, and tried to find equivalent Android apps.... and failed MISERABLY. They just aren't there yet. The phone would be perfectly capable of running any app that someone wrote, but the number of developers just isn't comparable. Now, even since this summer this chasm has started to lessen, but it'll take a while to topple Apple on this one.


EDIT : Oh, and every phone has push email at this point. No idea where you got the idea that Blackberries were still the only ones that had that. What year is this?

thsmith

Motorola Xoom, oops this is a phone thread.

ryanjoachim

The iPhone on Verizon is the exact same as the one on AT&T, minus some minor cosmetic differences (placement of buttons, etc) and the antenna. The only differences that you MIGHT see software-wise is Verizon's map and or VCast app, but I can't say for sure on that point.

Personally, I'm in love with WebOS (from Palm, now HP). Can't wait to see what new products they are coming out with on Wednesday.

Gempler

bobman1235 wrote: »

I wouldn't say *any* of that is true. Technologically there's *nothing* that distinguishes the iPhone from competitors. The big advantage of an iPhone over the competitors is the wealth of apps available...

Well I disagree. No other phone is an iPod and no other phone has the amazing camera the iPhone has. Not to say that those things are important to everyone, but they are qualities that are unique to the iPhone. Personally I could not care less about applications which are for the most part games and ****. But those who purchase and store all their music in iTunes and want an iPod device with them at all times, it makes sense that the iPhone would be top on their list of phones. And for those that want to take quality pictures with their phone there is no match to the iPhone.

thsmith

There lyes the problem with the iPhone and iPAD, ITUNES !

I was considering an iPAD but learned I had to load Itunes on my PC to activate the Ipad or something like that.

Now there are starting to come out with some nice droid tablets. The Xoom will have forward and rear cameras.

Gempler

thsmith wrote: »

There lyes the problem with the iPhone and iPAD, ITUNES !...

Right you are, but there are a couple of people already using iTunes

Others of course find iTunes as hateful as others find Google (Droid/Gmail)...

So to each his/her own, which is exactly the point I was trying to make... many choices, each with their own advantages and disadvantages.

concealer404

Last i heard, the "4g network" you're all talking about doesn't even exist... And that was pretty recently.

Gempler

concealer404 wrote: »

Last i heard, the "4g network" you're all talking about doesn't even exist... And that was pretty recently.

It is certainly new. Rolled out in major cities and major airports just two months ago. But you are most right about it is not being a viable option for many customers and it is not currently offered in any phone that I know of. But people are confusing the Verizon 4G wirelesss data service with the 4G in the model of the iPhone that is new to Verizon when in fact both the AT&T and the Verizon version of the iPhone 4G support only the same 3G wireless data... and ironically the 3G wireless data runs on AT&T runs much faster than on Verizon.
Here is system that the Here's a summary of cities where it is already live with Verizon...
http://news.vzw.com/news/2010/12/pr2010-11-30a.html
And if you are fortunate enough to be in a covered area, it is indeed remarkable.

concealer404

christophermuto wrote: »

It is certainly new. Rolled out in major cities and major airports just two months ago. But you are most certainly right that it is not a viable option for many customers. Here's a summary of cities where it is already live with Verizon...
http://news.vzw.com/news/2010/12/pr2010-11-30a.html
And if you are fortunate enough to be in a covered area, it is indeed remarkable.

That's not even close to "4g."

Road warriors using laptops will immediately benefit from Verizon Wireless’ 4G LTE Mobile Broadband network with super-fast connectivity that’s up to 10 times faster than the company’s current 3G network. The company expects 4G LTE average data rates in real-world, loaded network environments to be 5 to 12 megabits per second (Mbps) on the downlink and 2 to 5 Mbps on the uplink.

TMobile, just as an example, is getting that on a 3g network.

None of these companies are even close to the ITU standards of 4g. More like 5-10% of the standards, at best.

There are other things in that article when combined with their data plans that are just downright criminal, but that's for another thread, methinks.

exalted512

bobman1235 wrote: »

When my contract with AT&T was up last summer, I debated ditching my iPhone 3G for an Android equivalent. I looked at all the apps I regularly use, and tried to find equivalent Android apps.... and failed MISERABLY. They just aren't there yet. The phone would be perfectly capable of running any app that someone wrote, but the number of developers just isn't comparable. Now, even since this summer this chasm has started to lessen, but it'll take a while to topple Apple on this one.


EDIT : Oh, and every phone has push email at this point. No idea where you got the idea that Blackberries were still the only ones that had that. What year is this?

What apps do you regularly use?

And most phones have push email now, BUT, a lot of corporations email systems still only work with BlackBerry (BES)
-Cody

Gempler

exalted512 wrote: »

What apps do you regularly use?

And most phones have push email now...

Please let me know what you are talking about. As far as I know, in non-enterprise (non-corporate) settings only Blackberry has "push" mail. Vendors like Gmail, Yahoo, Live, and other are tightly integrated with many phone vendors but they are not "Push." In fact Blackberry can be configured to integrate with the above mentioned email services in the same way as a Droid or iPhone, but unlike those the Blackberry can be configured with the free yourname@Blackberry.net address which comes with each subscription and which is actually push mail. The goofy Blackberry email address can also be masked to appear as if it is your own personal address so using it does not mean having to switch your address, just means you have to initially set it up for it to work.

ryanjoachim

christophermuto wrote: »

Please let me know what you are talking about. As far as I know, in non-enterprise (non-corporate) settings only Blackberry has "push" mail. Vendors like Gmail, Yahoo, Live, and other are tightly integrated with many phone vendors but they are not "Push." In fact Blackberry can be configured to integrate with the above mentioned email services in the same way as a Droid or iPhone, but unlike those the Blackberry can be configured with the free yourname@Blackberry.net address which comes with each subscription and which is actually push mail. The goofy Blackberry email address can also be masked to appear as if it is your own personal address so using it does not mean having to switch your address, just means you have to initially set it up for it to work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push_e-mail

Yes, I know it's a Wiki, but in this case I'd call it fairly solid info.
"Push" in this instance, is referring to how email is automatically and constantly available once it hits the mail server. POP3 and other versions of email typically have a wait time between when the email hits the server, and when you get it/get a notification of it.

I could be wrong though.

Gempler

concealer404 wrote: »

That's not even close to "4g."

Right. It is what they are calling 4G LTE. And though it may be a fraction of potential it still is the fastest thing available today and about 5-10 times faster than current 3G offerings. Not sure why that upsets you. It is not like there some other 4G available today. This 4G LTE is as good as it gets for mobile devices today.

Gempler

ryanjoachim wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push_e-mail

Yes, I know it's a Wiki, but in this case I'd call it fairly solid info.
"Push" in this instance, is referring to how email is automatically and constantly available once it hits the mail server. POP3 and other versions of email typically have a wait time between when the email hits the server, and when you get it/get a notification of it.

I could be wrong though.

That is correct. And many phones vendors have a quasi-push method of polling new mail from major vendors like AOL, Yahoo, Live, Hotmail, Gmail, but they are not push. And they have no way to efficiently obtain mail from generic (non major vendor) pop or imap mail accounts. Blackberry however does. It is their distinct advantage. But then again it is not something that everyone cares about. Talk to a teenager and they don't even know what an email is other than some sort of old shcool type text message

polkatese

I have a BB Curve with enterprise push email (standard corporate configuration) and an AT&T iPhone that I have also configured my corporate email through exchange server. Amazingly both phones get any new emails within half seconds to each other.