iPhone cell qestion.. AT&T and Verizon

bobman1235

christophermuto wrote: »

Well I disagree. No other phone is an iPod and no other phone has the amazing camera the iPhone has. Not to say that those things are important to everyone, but they are qualities that are unique to the iPhone. Personally I could not care less about applications which are for the most part games and ****. But those who purchase and store all their music in iTunes and want an iPod device with them at all times, it makes sense that the iPhone would be top on their list of phones. And for those that want to take quality pictures with their phone there is no match to the iPhone.

There are phones with as good or BETTER cameras than the iPHone in every measurable way. The iPhone has a fine camera; I own an iPHone, I like the camera. It isn't the best. There are a million objective resources out there for you to find this information if you don't believe me.

And every smartphone has an MP3 player on it. Who gives a flying **** if it's an "iPod"? Every smartphone can play MP3s just like an iPod can. iPod is just a brand name, it doesn't have the market cornered on its functionality.

And Apple does not allow **** apps, so you're wrong there too. I have apps that track my diet, help me travel, tell me the weather, help me navigate, control my TV and computer, instant message, Facebook, do banking, get news, get sports updates, buy things on eBay, Craigslist, Amazon, get movie info, get Yelp reviews... and yes play games.

christophermuto wrote:

That is correct. And many phones vendors have a quasi-push method of polling new mail from major vendors like AOL, Yahoo, Live, Hotmail, Gmail, but they are not push

Dude... stop saying things as fact when you're wrong. Yes, other phones have push. Even Gmail now does push email - not "quasi-push", not polling, push. The exact same thing as Blackberry. They communicate TO your phone without your phone asking for information.


Seriously, it's like you stopped getting information five years ago and insist that nothing has changed.

disneyjoe7

And I can remember when we where happy just to talk on a cell phone.

danger boy

this used to be the height of cell phones... weighed about 3 lbs

disneyjoe7

Didn't call it a brick for nothing.

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bobman1235 wrote: »

There are phones with as good or BETTER cameras than the iPHone in every measurable way. The iPhone has a fine camera; I own an iPHone, I like the camera. It isn't the best. There are a million objective resources out there for you to find this information if you don't believe me.

And every smartphone has an MP3 player on it. Who gives a flying **** if it's an "iPod"? Every smartphone can play MP3s just like an iPod can. iPod is just a brand name, it doesn't have the market cornered on its functionality.

And Apple does not allow **** apps, so you're wrong there too. I have apps that track my diet, help me travel, tell me the weather, help me navigate, control my TV and computer, instant message, Facebook, do banking, get news, get sports updates, buy things on eBay, Craigslist, Amazon, get movie info, get Yelp reviews... and yes play games.

Dude... stop saying things as fact when you're wrong. Yes, other phones have push. Even Gmail now does push email - not "quasi-push", not polling, push. The exact same thing as Blackberry. They communicate TO your phone without your phone asking for information.

Seriously, it's like you stopped getting information five years ago and insist that nothing has changed.

Seriously, it is like you rely on insults and rudeness to make your point. And the absurd part is that you are not even correct. Despite your rather unpleasant tone, I will try one more time to see I can help you comprehend my point that you continue to miss.

Only blackberry has real time push email with all their phones, including their non-enterprise (otherwise known as 'internet edition') phones. Major phone service providers do have systems in place with the major web based mail providers (gmail, yahoo, aol, live, etc) that offer a reasonably close approximation to push but it is not the same and not as fast and does not satisfy anyone that has generic pop or imap mail - ie. just about every small business on the planet. Let's use an example to help clarify this point. Say you purchased a franchise of the Emily Post Etiquette School and wanted email so secured the domain name bobman1235.com to provide email to 10 employees. You could purchase an inexpensive web and email hosting plan for about $75 a year and create as many employeename@bobman1235.com email address that you want. However tour iPhone or Droid, and any other phone other than a Blackberry for that matter, would only be able to capture new mail using imap or pop which means checking for new mail on a predetermined interval like every ten minutes, and draining the battery every time it checks even if there is no new mail to be had. So despite that the service providers for the iPhone and Droid have quasi push mail systems in place with major mail vendors like Gmail and Yahoo, it doesn't help the email users of bobman1235.com. If the Blackberry was an undesirable choice of phone for whatever reason (lousy browser, missing your favorite iPhone application, whatever) you could opt for Hosted Exchange Server at the cost of upwards of $25/mo per mail box ($250/mo given this 10 email user company example) instead of the $75/year pop mail approach ($3,000 vs $75 annually) and that would get you push mail for your 10 users at bobman1235.com. Or you could host the email yourself on your own in house server, but that will cost even more. But with the Blackberry you could use the free blackberry.net Push email account and forward your bobman1235.com email as fast as any enterprise phone but for no additional cost. And you can mask the reply so that it appears to be from bobman1235.com as well.
Hope that makes sense to you and if it doesn't then I do not believe it ever will.

Your point about other phones having cameras that are "as good or BETTER cameras than the iPHone in every measurable way" is pretty meaningless as you failed to say even one way that they are as good or better. The Droid does have a camera that is rated as 5mp like the iPhone but if you have ever used it you would understand that it has many issues that result in quite varied and largely inferior captured images to that of the iPhone. And if you are talking about cameras in phones other than the Blackberry, iPhone, or Droid that I don't see the relevance as we are talking about a camera in a phone that you would actually want. If it is lousy phone with a good camera then whynot just carry a real camera? The point is having a good camera in a phone that you actually want to own, and the iPhone tops that list for many.

Finally, go ahead and have the last word, I don't have anything to gain from this and you clearly don't want to have a rational discussion given your extreme classifications of things. If you at least had some manners it would be interesting to have a discussion, but you have already shown the inability to have a discussion without casting insults and disparaging remarks.

Good luck.

bobman1235

Telling you you're wrong is not an insult, it's fact. In none of my posts did I insult you or call you a name, I simply said "you're wrong." And you're still wrong. I know what pop and IMAP are. It's not that push "doesn't make sense" to me or that I don't know what it is. There is push email for Gmail to the iPhone, and you could just as easily in your scenario forward your email from bobman1235.net to my Gmail account and it would be instantaneously (not polled) PUSHED to the iPhone. Your tone in your reply is FAR more condescending and insulting than mine ever was.


Hey look, GMail push to iPhones :

http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2009/09/push-gmail-for-iphone-and-windows.html
http://blog.davidkaspar.com/archives/2008/01/true-instant-push-email-on-your-mobile-phone-using-gmail.php

And just for fun ,here's a forum discussion for people like you who can't accept that other people outside of Blackberry have figured out how to do push email :
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2479407

The ONLY distinguishing factor for Blackberry seems to be that you get a "blackberry.net" email address, which... no one cares about.

OH, and here's a CNET article comparing the cameras on dozens of cell phones. Note that the iPhone 4 is given 4 stars, as are about a dozen of the others. There's even a Sony Ericsson model in there with an 8.1 megapixel camera.

I'm not saying any of this to be rude or "have the last word." I'm just trying to counter your incorrect statements. If this does not make sense to you, I do not believe it ever will.


But please, remind me again how all the apps in the App store are ****, when not a single one is.

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bobman1235 wrote: »

Telling you you're wrong is not an insult, it's fact. In none of my posts did I insult you or call you a name, I simply said "you're wrong." And you're still wrong. I know what pop and IMAP are. It's not that push "doesn't make sense" to me or that I don't know what it is. There is push email for Gmail to the iPhone, and you could just as easily in your scenario forward your email from bobman1235.net to my Gmail account and it would be instantaneously (not polled) PUSHED to the iPhone. Your tone in your reply is FAR more condescending and insulting than mine ever was.


Hey look, GMail push to iPhones :

http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2009/09/push-gmail-for-iphone-and-windows.html
http://blog.davidkaspar.com/archives/2008/01/true-instant-push-email-on-your-mobile-phone-using-gmail.php

And just for fun ,here's a forum discussion for people like you who can't accept that other people outside of Blackberry have figured out how to do push email :
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2479407

The ONLY distinguishing factor for Blackberry seems to be that you get a "blackberry.net" email address, which... no one cares about.

OH, and here's a CNET article comparing the cameras on dozens of cell phones. Note that the iPhone 4 is given 4 stars, as are about a dozen of the others. There's even a Sony Ericsson model in there with an 8.1 megapixel camera.

I'm not saying any of this to be rude or "have the last word." I'm just trying to counter your incorrect statements. If this does not make sense to you, I do not believe it ever will.


But please, remind me again how all the apps in the App store are ****, when not a single one is.

lol. thanks for calling me wrong and then conceeding my point that only the blackberry has push mail. your idea about fowarding mail from a regular domain like bobman1235.com to one of the few major email providers like gmail, yahoo, live as you suggest means that when you reply from the handheld you are stuck with replying from that gmail, yahoo, live account. not professional beucase the sender did not write to the gmail address so does not expect a reply from one, and worse, if the sender replies again they reply directly to the gmail address and circumvent the bobman1235.com mailbox (creating an archive and compliance issue for companies). if you forwarded the original message to the blackberry.net email then you get true real time push mail on the blackberry and the blackberry.net account unlike gmail, yahoo, live, etc can configure it to have a 'from' address and 'reply to' address that is from your bobman1235.com address and not have to look like some hack with a mobile phone and a gmail account. though you keep saying i am wrong it is good to see that you are also indirectly saying that i am right. saying the iphone has push like service from Gmail is different than saying the iphone (or droid, or anyone else) has push service from any vendor, and it does not. the blackberry does.

ps. your missing the link from the cnet phone round up but a quick search resulted in this page.... giving all the phones in their list a 4 star ratting on their embeded cameras, and including phones that are not very interesting or popular, so as i said, it is a matter of having a quaility good camera in a phone that you would actually want, not just having a camera in any phone that is on the market. i could carry a real camera if all i wanted was a high quality camera.
http://reviews.cnet.com/best-camera-phones/



ps. your link to apple is not working but i suspect it is just another boring thread like this one that just misses the point.

concealer404

christophermuto wrote: »

Right. It is what they are calling 4G LTE. And though it may be a fraction of potential it still is the fastest thing available today and about 5-10 times faster than current 3G offerings. Not sure why that upsets you. It is not like there some other 4G available today. This 4G LTE is as good as it gets for mobile devices today.

I'm not upset, i just find it slimy that the cell phone companies are making it sound like something new and great, because it's 4G! It's not 4G. Stop calling it that. They aren't even hitting 50% of the 3G limit. They're hitting about 20% of the 3G standard.

And again... it's not 5-10x faster than current 3G. TMobile is getting the same speeds (or faster according to independent testing) on a 3G network.

shack

There is currently no phone that has anywhere close to what one should consider a GOOD camera. Decent, better than average, good for a cell phone camera...are all apt descriptions...but good is not one of them IMO. It could be done...but at a very high price. Problem is with the very small size of the sensor and the limitations of the lens. I have seen some very interesting work done with camera phones by some good photographers...but it has more to do with the artistic content...not the quality of the image.

bobman1235

christophermuto wrote: »

lol. thanks for calling me wrong and then conceeding my point that only the blackberry has push mail. your idea about fowarding mail from a regular domain like bobman1235.com to one of the few major email providers like gmail, yahoo, live as you suggest means that when you reply from the handheld you are stuck with replying from that gmail, yahoo, live account. not professional beucase the sender did not write to the gmail address so does not expect a reply from one, and worse, if the sender replies again they reply directly to the gmail address and circumvent the bobman1235.com mailbox (creating an archive and compliance issue for companies). if you forwarded the original message to the blackberry.net email then you get true real time push mail on the blackberry and the blackberry.net account unlike gmail, yahoo, live, etc can configure it to have a 'from' address and 'reply to' address that is from your bobman1235.com address and not have to look like some hack with a mobile phone and a gmail account. though you keep saying i am wrong it is good to see that you are also indirectly saying that i am right. saying the iphone has push like service from Gmail is different than saying the iphone (or droid, or anyone else) has push service from any vendor, and it does not. the blackberry does.

The iPhone has push service FROM ANY VENDOR; Gmail is just my example. Apple also has their MobileMe service, as another example. It just doesn' thave your Blackberry forwarding service. It's a stupid email forwarding system. Big f**king deal. For the 20/month you pay for Blackberry service on top of your phone bill, I'm sure you could host your OWN email service that has a push server if you wanted to. What a stupid, stupid argument.

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shack wrote: »

There is currently no phone that has anywhere close to what one should consider a GOOD camera...

That opens a philosophical discussion. Technical issues aside, one could describe the "best camera" as the one that you happen to have with you when you want to take a photograph. It is hard for non-professionals to justify lugging around an SLR kit, so a camera phone becomes the “best camera” there is.
And remarkable photos it is indeed capable of taking.
Check these out:
http://www.ippawards.com/?page_id=577

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bobman1235 wrote: »

The iPhone has push service FROM ANY VENDOR; Gmail is just my example. Apple also has their MobileMe service, as another example. It just doesn' thave your Blackberry forwarding service. It's a stupid email forwarding system. Big f**king deal. For the 20/month you pay for Blackberry service on top of your phone bill, I'm sure you could host your OWN email service that has a push server if you wanted to. What a stupid, stupid argument.

Oh well, I thought you were begining to see my point, but not after your last remark. And it isn't my Blackberry service, it is anybody's Blackberry service that does this. And as I originaly said, it is what distinguishes the Blackberry from the other devices on the market though it is a point that is clearly lost on the personal consumer of these services, but it is not lost on those that purchase them for business use and hence why they are able to hang on to significant market share despite the many other aspects of the phone that are not competitive.

bobman1235

christophermuto wrote: »

Oh well, I thought you were begining to see my point, but not after your last remark. And it isn't my Blackberry service, it is anybody's Blackberry service that does this. And as I originaly said, it is what distinguishes the Blackberry from the other devices on the market though it is a point that is clearly lost on the personal consumer of these services, but it is not lost on those that purchase them for business use and hence why they are able to hang on to significant market share despite the many other aspects of the phone that are not competitive.

I see your point. I just wish you didn't waste my time with five go-arounds of "the iPhone doesn't have push" when that's not what you meant. Any email service that supports the push protocol could push to the iPhone just as well as they could the BLackberry. YOUR point is that Blackberry has integrated a forwarding service along with their push service. Which is nice. But you also pay extra for it (RIM charges for Blackberry service).

And Blackberry's market share is falling quickly

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bobman1235 wrote: »

I see your point. I just wish you didn't waste my time with five go-arounds of "the iPhone doesn't have push" when that's not what you meant. Any email service that supports the push protocol could push to the iPhone just as well as they could the BLackberry. YOUR point is that Blackberry has integrated a forwarding service along with their push service. Which is nice. But you also pay extra for it (RIM charges for Blackberry service).

And Blackberry's market share is falling quickly

LOL, I think it was sloppy reading on your part that made you "waste your time". Technicallities about what push is aside, my point was and remains that only the Blackberry has push mail with any email account. You can get quasi push mail with the iPhone and Droid if you want to use a pubic domain branded email service like Gmail, Yahoo, etc. The cost of a Blackberry Internet Service is not more than the cost of data plans for the iPhone or Droid. In fact Tmobile has a $10/mo Blackberry unlimited email plan if you don't want wireless internet which actually makes it a cheaper device than the others if all you want it for is email. Sad that it took this much to get you to conceed such a simple point. Not sure why I bothered.

shack

christophermuto wrote:

That opens a philosophical discussion.

Not for me.

Technical issues aside, one could describe the "best camera" as the one that you happen to have with you when you want to take a photograph. It is hard for non-professionals to justify lugging around an SLR kit, so a camera phone becomes the “best camera” there is.
And remarkable photos it is indeed capable of taking.

I said nothing about a "BEST" camera...I said a "GOOD" camera. I was commenting on pure technical terms. IMO there is currently not a good phone camera on the market.

I am very familiar with the concept that you can't take a picture if you don't have a camera...which is why I usually have a fairly good P&S camera with me most of the time. Not much more bulky than a cell phone...but the image quality is far superior...with only a little more effort.

There are some new generation four thirds cameras which can come close to mid level DSLR quality with a much smaller size.

And remarkable photos it is indeed capable of taking.
Check these out:
http://www.ippawards.com/?page_id=577

Many of those are very nice. Some not so much IMO. I also stated I have seen good work from a camera phone based on an artistic viewpoint. I could spend a lot of time pointing out some of the technical issues with those images...but art is in the eye of the beholder.

There is also a fairly popular trend among some photographers to use an absolutely horrible camera to take photos. The Holga...a toy film camera. It is the massive flaws that some consider to be "artistic". I don't find the images to be very good or even interesting...but it has a following.

bobman1235

christophermuto wrote: »

You can get quasi push mail with the iPhone and Droid if you want to use a pubic domain branded email service like Gmail, Yahoo, etc.

I don't "concede" this point. It is not "quasi-push." It's push. You're still lumping things together that have nothing to do with each other. Push is the technology that gets email to your phone instantly. All modern smartphones have this capability.

And by the way on an iPhone or Android you can "reply from" any email address, regardless of where the email came from.

xsmi

shack wrote: »

There is currently no phone that has anywhere close to what one should consider a GOOD camera. Decent, better than average, good for a cell phone camera...are all apt descriptions...but good is not one of them IMO. It could be done...but at a very high price. Problem is with the very small size of the sensor and the limitations of the lens. I have seen some very interesting work done with camera phones by some good photographers...but it has more to do with the artistic content...not the quality of the image.

Shack,

The Nov. issue of macworld had all the images in their iPhone article shot with the camera of the iPhone. The images were indistinguishable from the images shot with their regular camera. Their point (not mine) was that there was finally a phone with a camera good enough to go to press with. A point on digital cameras that seems to be missed all the time is MP's doesn't tell the whole story for camera performance. It is not only how many pixels, but how they are captured (lighting etc.) that means as much if not more to the image quality.

I am holding in my hand as I type this a Verizon iPhone. I can tell a few differences from the AT&T version. The buttons are slightly lower. There are no Verizon apps pre-installed. I had to put the back-up manager on to get my contacts. There is also no Verizon logo on the phone. My only issue so far has been getting my email at work to come to the phone (keeps asking me for server settings, my Storm never did).

One myth I would like to dispel; you can text while on the phone. You cannot surf the internet, nor can you receive new email.

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bobman1235 wrote: »

I don't "concede" this point. It is not "quasi-push." It's push. You're still lumping things together that have nothing to do with each other. Push is the technology that gets email to your phone instantly. All modern smartphones have this capability.

And by the way on an iPhone or Android you can "reply from" any email address, regardless of where the email came from.

Now you are backpedaling. How does the iPhone or Droid offer push mail with bobman1235.com and not have bobman1235.com hosted on Exchange Server? The answer is simple, it does not. You previously stated this yourself. Why are you arguing so hard that it does and calling me out of date with my information when you are clearly unaware of the differences in the service offered by each of these providers. It is as if you are personally vested in the design of these devices or personally insulted to learn that your iPhone is not perfect. I think the iPhone, the Droid, and the Blackberry are all great, they just have differences which make each shine in different ways. Email on the Blackberry remains king and is the only with that has push delivery for your own domain without being in an Enterprise environment. Enough said.

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xsmi wrote: »

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My only issue so far has been getting my email at work to come to the phone (keeps asking me for server settings, my Storm never did).

One myth I would like to dispel; you can text while on the phone. You cannot surf the internet, nor can you receive new email.

Very interesting infomation about the texting while talking with the Verizon iPhone. Is it live, two way texting while talking?

And sorry to hear that you are having trouble configuring it for your email. Are you trying to connect to an Exchange Server mail system or a regular pop service? I know that the AT&T iphone required that SSL was selected for a gereric (non-exchange server, non-gmail/yahoo/live) email account to function.

ryanjoachim

xsmi wrote: »

One myth I would like to dispel; you can text while on the phone. You cannot surf the internet, nor can you receive new email.

Did you meant "can't" text while talking? Cause I tried that recently, and it didn't work.

AsSiMiLaTeD

xsmi wrote: »

Shack,

The Nov. issue of macworld had all the images in their iPhone article shot with the camera of the iPhone. The images were indistinguishable from the images shot with their regular camera. Their point (not mine) was that there was finally a phone with a camera good enough to go to press with. A point on digital cameras that seems to be missed all the time is MP's doesn't tell the whole story for camera performance. It is not only how many pixels, but how they are captured (lighting etc.) that means as much if not more to the image quality.

I am holding in my hand as I type this a Verizon iPhone. I can tell a few differences from the AT&T version. The buttons are slightly lower. There are no Verizon apps pre-installed. I had to put the back-up manager on to get my contacts. There is also no Verizon logo on the phone. My only issue so far has been getting my email at work to come to the phone (keeps asking me for server settings, my Storm never did).

One myth I would like to dispel; you can text while on the phone. You cannot surf the internet, nor can you receive new email.

Is it actually sending and receiving texts while on the phone, or do you compose it and hit send and then it queues until you're off the phone curious. Texting wouldn't be a big deal for me anyway, as I need to be able to talk while using the phone as a tethering device, but I'm just curious.

ryanjoachim

christophermuto wrote: »

Now you are backpedaling. How does the iPhone or Droid offer push mail with bobman1235.com and not have bobman1235.com hosted on Exchange Server? The answer is simple, it does not. You previously stated this yourself. Why are you arguing so hard that it does and calling me out of date with my information when you are clearly unaware of the differences in the service offered by each of these providers. It is as if you are personally vested in the design of these devices or personally insulted to learn that your iPhone is not perfect. I think the iPhone, the Droid, and the Blackberry are all great, they just have differences which make each shine in different ways. Email on the Blackberry remains king and is the only with that has push delivery for your own domain without being in an Enterprise environment. Enough said.

Wow...

"Push" is "Push". It's the same if you're getting emails from an Exchange server or from a Hotmail pop account. It may be done in different ways, and be called different things, but they all do the exact same thing. The "instant" receipt of an email is the definition of pushing.

Stop nerd-raging so much, drop it, and get back to the original topic of this thread.

shack

xsmi wrote:

Shack,

The Nov. issue of macworld had all the images in their iPhone article shot with the camera of the iPhone. The images were indistinguishable from the images shot with their regular camera. Their point (not mine) was that there was finally a phone with a camera good enough to go to press with. A point on digital cameras that seems to be missed all the time is MP's doesn't tell the whole story for camera performance. It is not only how many pixels, but how they are captured (lighting etc.) that means as much if not more to the image quality.

Megapixels mean very little especially when talking about a fairly small image. They become more important as the image size gets larger. I can take a 6 megapixel DSLR and produce higher quality images than a 10-12 megapixel P&S. While lighting and environment have some impact...greater issues are sensor size, quality of the lens, quality of the focusing process, ISO, etc. An average DSLR with a great lens will typically out perform the opposite. The lens will always be the shortcoming of a cameral phone.

Of course Macworld will sing the praises of the iPhone camera. Look who their target market is. And yes...you CAN take a photo with an iPhone that can be printed/published...as long as you keep it fairly small. Like you said...under the right (ie: optimal) conditions it is hard to see the difference in a 3x5 or 4x6 image. You won't see many 8x10 images from a camera phone published.

AsSiMiLaTeD

christophermuto wrote: »

Now you are backpedaling. How does the iPhone or Droid offer push mail with bobman1235.com and not have bobman1235.com hosted on Exchange Server? The answer is simple, it does not. You previously stated this yourself. Why are you arguing so hard that it does and calling me out of date with my information when you are clearly unaware of the differences in the service offered by each of these providers. It is as if you are personally vested in the design of these devices or personally insulted to learn that your iPhone is not perfect. I think the iPhone, the Droid, and the Blackberry are all great, they just have differences which make each shine in different ways. Email on the Blackberry remains king and is the only with that has push delivery for your own domain without being in an Enterprise environment. Enough said.

Oh. My. God.

You and Bob are getting nowhere, so let's try this another way.

I don't care what you call it (push, quasi-push, polling, whatever), it works for me. On my android phone, I receive emails INSTANTANEOUSLY when they arrive in my inbox. I can email myself something, and as soon as I can see it in my inbox on my computer it's there on my phone, without fail, every time (as long as I have some type of data connection on the phone).

Call it whatever you want, and you can talk all the techno mumbo jumbo you want, IT WORKS!

Someone reading your first post would have likely come away with the conclusion that Blackberry was the only phone that did this, and that on all other phones there was some kind of delay. That is not correct, and is ultimately what Bob was trying to clarify. How that descended into a techno mumbo jumbo war of semantics I don't know, but jeezus christ let it go

xsmi

Yes live text. Shack, they shot the cover. It was then that I knew we have come a long way in camera technology. It is using SSL. Is that the issue? It is hosted on an exchange server but we have web access to email.

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AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »

Oh. My. God.

You and Bob are getting nowhere, so let's try this another way.

I don't care what you call it (push, quasi-push, polling, whatever), it works for me. On my android phone, I receive emails INSTANTANEOUSLY when they arrive in my inbox. I can email myself something, and as soon as I can see it in my inbox on my computer it's there on my phone, without fail, every time (as long as I have some type of data connection on the phone).

Call it whatever you want, and you can talk all the techno mumbo jumbo you want, IT WORKS!

Someone reading your first post would have likely come away with the conclusion that Blackberry was the only phone that did this, and that on all other phones there was some kind of delay. That is not correct, and is ultimately what Bob was trying to clarify. How that descended into a techno mumbo jumbo war of semantics I don't know, but jeezus christ let it go

I think it is great that you have a phone that works for you, and regardless of what the method of email delivery is... but what I think what you left out of your anecdote is that you are probably using one of the major free mail vendors like yahoo, gmail, live, etc and not using your own domain. And there lies the rub. That's all. I think Bob took my comment as a personal insult on his beloved phone but it wasn't meant that way at all. Was just trying to point out why there is good reason for there being multiple major players in the marketplace and why each has their own distinct advantage.
Enjoy.

bobman1235

christophermuto wrote: »

Now you are backpedaling. How does the iPhone or Droid offer push mail with bobman1235.com and not have bobman1235.com hosted on Exchange Server? The answer is simple, it does not. You previously stated this yourself. Why are you arguing so hard that it does and calling me out of date with my information when you are clearly unaware of the differences in the service offered by each of these providers. It is as if you are personally vested in the design of these devices or personally insulted to learn that your iPhone is not perfect. I think the iPhone, the Droid, and the Blackberry are all great, they just have differences which make each shine in different ways. Email on the Blackberry remains king and is the only with that has push delivery for your own domain without being in an Enterprise environment. Enough said.

Sigh. I'm not backpedaling. Why are YOU pushing so hard? I'm certainly aware of the limitations of the iPhone, and have complained about them here and elsewhere at times. Lack of push email is NOT one of them. I could use any forwarding service with push and get the functionality you're talking about (including replying from the original domain as opposed to, say, Gmail). How do I know this? I DO IT ALL THE TIME. I manage a website, we have our own domain, it does not have an Exchange / push server. I can forward those emails through, FOR EXAMPLE, Gmail, and when they get PUSHED to my phone, can reply as "bob@myhosteddomain.com". The sender has no idea it came through Gmail, just as they would have no idea it came through your blackberry.com email.

I haven't used the Blackberry service, so maybe they make this marginally easier, but nothing you've described is something I can't already do. I'm not trying to sound defensive of the iPhone. Oddly enough, earlier YOU were defending the iPhone's camera while I said it wasn't all that great, so....


I also love how you're constantly insulting me and talking down to me and "any my beloved phone" and yet were accusing me of personal attacks. Good job.

ryanjoachim

christophermuto wrote: »

I think it is great that you have a phone that works for you, and regardless of what the method of email delivery is... but what I think what you left out of your anecdote is that you are probably using one of the major free mail vendors like yahoo, gmail, live, etc and not using your own domain. And there lies the rub. That's all. I think Bob took my comment as a personal insult on his beloved phone but it wasn't meant that way at all. Was just trying to point out why there is good reason for there being multiple major players in the marketplace and why each has their own distinct advantage.
Enjoy.

Years ago, when RIM was the only one doing "push", it was different from everything else.

Yes, everyone not on their own Exchange (or bb) server is technically using polling to get their emails. What is polling? It's your device asking your mail server if there is new mail, and if so, pulling a copy from the server and sending it to you.

How is that different from pushing? With pushing, your device doesn't have to ask for the mail. The server automatically pushes new mail to you.

So what's the difference? In the real world, nothing. In your fantasy world, it means that everything NOT a Blackberry is crap.

AsSiMiLaTeD

christophermuto wrote: »

I think it is great that you have a phone that works for you, and regardless of what the method of email delivery is... but what I think what you left out of your anecdote is that you are probably using one of the major free mail vendors like yahoo, gmail, live, etc and not using your own domain. And there lies the rub. That's all.
Enjoy.

Why would you assume that? I have my own domain, and have emails forwarded from that account to my gmail account, which sows up on my phone immediately. Then I can reply to the original email from my domain account, all seamlessly.

Now maybe the Blackberry does that DIFFERENTLY (although it sounds like it just forwards to a blackberry address does basically the same thing), but the functionality on both iPhone and Android exists and is seamless. Your original and subsequent posts indicate that this does not work, while in fact it does.

bobman1235