What is your TT rig?

steveinazsteveinaz Posts: 18,999
edited January 2011 in 2 Channel Audio
What turntable, pre, and cartridge do you run? What's your impressions of your setup?

I'm still researching/internally debating, but looking at:

-MMF 5.1se
-Cambridge 640p
-Goldring included w/5.1se (2400)

Depending on the outcome, I'll be doing some "sprucing up" later down the road.
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  • steveinazsteveinaz Posts: 18,999
    edited December 2010
    I'm still debating the "go cheap at first" (meaning the MF 2.2) and the "better to cry once" theory, and go for a VPI Scout or Clearaudio Concept; the Concept being my favored choice so far. The 5.1 could end up being the best of no worlds solution, but for now it seems like viable, and not to difficult to unload answer. Is my thinking flawed?

    I'm also thinking that if I go "all in" and get the Concept or Scout, the 640p would be compromising the quality of the table. Ideas? Thoughts?
  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 21,309
    edited December 2010
    I run the Yamaha PX-3, Sunfire Classic Tube Preamp with a phono stage tweaked by Bob Carver, and a Sumiko Bluepoint Special EVOIII. It is by far the best sounding Phono setup I have ever had, and among the best I have personally heard. This is the last area of my setup I would change.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, TriangleArt Reference SE with Pass Labs Xono Phono Preamp, Walker Precision Motor Drive, ClearAudio Goldfinger Diamond v2 cartridge and Origin Conquerer Mk3c tonearm, Polk Audio "Signature" Reference Series 1.2TL with complete mods, Pass Labs X0.2 three chassis preamp, PS Audio PerfectWave DAC MkII, Pioneer Elite SC-LX701, Oppo UDP-205 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk audio AB700/800 "in-wall" surrounds.

    Saying that it's "too hard" to pursue your dreams is no different than admitting to yourself that you are too lazy to achieve them.

    “If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.”
  • steveinazsteveinaz Posts: 18,999
    edited December 2010
    John
    I had both th PX-3 and PF800 in the 80's, and sure do miss them, especially the PX-3.
  • RicardoRicardo Posts: 10,509
    edited December 2010
    Nada. Way ahead of vinyl.
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  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 21,309
    edited December 2010
    steveinaz wrote: »
    John
    I had both th PX-3 and PF800 in the 80's, and sure do miss them, especially the PX-3.


    I have heard TT's that are 3500 bucks new, and the Yamaha sounds just as good. Mine was brand new in the box when I got it a year and a half ago. There are a few tables I would like to have more than this one, but there are none I am willing to drop that kind of coin to get.

    If I were you, I would consider a vintage table, new cartridge, and a nice tube pre. By going this route, you can get world class sound and maybe save some money in the process.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, TriangleArt Reference SE with Pass Labs Xono Phono Preamp, Walker Precision Motor Drive, ClearAudio Goldfinger Diamond v2 cartridge and Origin Conquerer Mk3c tonearm, Polk Audio "Signature" Reference Series 1.2TL with complete mods, Pass Labs X0.2 three chassis preamp, PS Audio PerfectWave DAC MkII, Pioneer Elite SC-LX701, Oppo UDP-205 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk audio AB700/800 "in-wall" surrounds.

    Saying that it's "too hard" to pursue your dreams is no different than admitting to yourself that you are too lazy to achieve them.

    “If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.”
  • AudioGenicsAudioGenics Posts: 2,586
    edited December 2010
    just the basics right now.
    I'd like an Oracle.

    cartridge : Grado
    Turntable : Acoustic Research XA ( a restoration project )
  • madmaxmadmax Posts: 12,438
    edited December 2010
    I use the Michell Orbe turntable, SME IV tone arm, Benz Ruby 3 cartridge and a Manley Steelhead pre. Modest system but sounds much better than my old close-and-play on most recordings.

    Soundwise it puts you into the world of the recording. There is no detectable sonic signature which is applied to the sound. Listening to 100 LP's you get the sense that you heard 100 different vinyl systems.
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
  • steveinazsteveinaz Posts: 18,999
    edited December 2010
    Keiko wrote: »
    I know a lot of they guys here have no love for direct drive, but I've been really pleased with my Technics SL-1210M5G. Added a few tweaks with a Herbies, Way Excellent Mat and I got Joe's last clamp. Combined with the DL160 my table sings. I'm eager to get the Dynavector dialed in now. I know the VPIs and the like are better tables, but for what I got invested, it's a tough rig to beat for the amount of $$$ involved. This is simply my humble opinion.

    I also had an SL-1200 in the 80's, it was a nice TT. I went with an aftermarket headshell/cartridge, but can't remember what it was.
  • steveinazsteveinaz Posts: 18,999
    edited December 2010
    madmax wrote: »
    I use the Michell Orbe turntable, SME IV tone arm, Benz Ruby 3 cartridge and a Manley Steelhead pre. Modest system but sounds much better than my old close-and-play on most recordings.

    Soundwise it puts you into the world of the recording. There is no detectable sonic signature which is applied to the sound. Listening to 100 LP's you get the sense that you heard 100 different vinyl systems.

    Modest? by whos measure? That's awesome.
  • hearingimparedhearingimpared Banned Posts: 21,473
    edited December 2010
    steveinaz wrote: »
    I'm still debating the "go cheap at first" (meaning the MF 2.2) and the "better to cry once" theory, and go for a VPI Scout or Clearaudio Concept; the Concept being my favored choice so far. The 5.1 could end up being the best of no worlds solution, but for now it seems like viable, and not to difficult to unload answer. Is my thinking flawed?

    I'm also thinking that if I go "all in" and get the Concept or Scout, the 640p would be compromising the quality of the table. Ideas? Thoughts?

    Stevie, go for a VPI you won't buy another table for many, many years.

    The VPI Classic is awesome! PM Sent your way.

    My TT rig consists of the following;

    VPI HW19 Mk IV hot rodded with TNT suspension, platter and a SAMA motor;
    SME Series V tonearm;
    ZYX Airy 3 Silver Base cartridge;
    Spectral DMC 10G phono pre.
    sucks2beme wrote: »
    Crap is a sound signature, isn't it?
    madmax wrote: »
    Nothing like vinyl, thats for sure.
    madmax


    Quotes of the year!!!
  • ben62670ben62670 Posts: 16,077
    edited December 2010
    I know a lot of they guys here have no love for direct drive, but I've been really pleased with my Technics SL-1210M5G. Added a few tweaks with a Herbies, Way Excellent Mat and I got Joe's last clamp. Combined with the DL160 my table sings. I'm eager to get the Dynavector dialed in now. I know the VPIs and the like are better tables, but for what I got invested, it's a tough rig to beat for the amount of $$$ involved. This is simply my humble opinion.

    Same thing here pretty much, and very happy. I have heard a few much higher end setups, but I would have to spend at least 3 times as much for a small gain.
    Technics 1210
    Denon DL-160
    Herbies mat
    A decent clamp per Joe's suggestion
    replaced the RCA's on the cable

    As for future mods.
    Tone arm Cardas rewire
    Remove hardwired phono cable and replace with nice RCA's
    New IC cable
    and I will be totally satisfied for a while:wink:
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
    Thanks
    Ben
  • phipiper10phipiper10 Posts: 869
    edited December 2010
    Rega P3-24 w/Elys2 to MF A5 phono.

    Dynavector cart and separate power supply have been contemplated recently. (Changing some other things first!)

    The trick with vinyl is you actually have to have quality vinyl on hand to play it and enjoy it. It can be time consuming to get good vinyl, either in time spent searching and or cleaning. The other option is just just to open your wallet and pay for some new vinyl. At $20-$30 a pop that can be costly to grow a collection as large as most CD (or GASP mp3) collections. Without enough nice material you will likely become bored and possibly lose interest or go broke buying more.

    It is a labor of love to some degree and requires your time. For me the jury is still out. I really love listening to some of the records I have.

    Is it worth what I've put in thus far?? I don't have the answer yet. I have a bunch of things up in the air in terms of records still requiring cleaning and getting my room organized etc.

    Vinyl appears to be an deal where you are either into it or not. The question about crying once or multiple times is a good one. My original purchase is this Rega. That's how I answered this question for myself.

    Good luck whatever you decide!

    Rich
    2. CH: Rega P3-24, Oppo BDP 95, Rogue Ninety Nine Magnum, Rogue Stereo 100, Tyler Linbrook Sig. Monitors, Audio Art Cables, APC H15
  • hearingimparedhearingimpared Banned Posts: 21,473
    edited December 2010
    ben62670 wrote: »
    Same thing here pretty much, and very happy. I have heard a few much higher end setups, but I would have to spend at least 3 times as much for a small gain.
    Technics 1210
    Denon DL-160
    Herbies mat
    A decent clamp per Joe's suggestion
    replaced the RCA's on the cable

    As for future mods.
    Tone arm Cardas rewire
    Remove hardwired phono cable and replace with nice RCA's
    New IC cable
    and I will be totally satisfied for a while:wink:

    Ben, use a tuner output to burn in those Cardas wire as they take forever to burnin due to the ultra low voltage. Mine still need a little more time to burnin and I've had them in my tonearm for a looooooooong time.
    sucks2beme wrote: »
    Crap is a sound signature, isn't it?
    madmax wrote: »
    Nothing like vinyl, thats for sure.
    madmax


    Quotes of the year!!!
  • MillerLiteScottMillerLiteScott Posts: 2,568
    edited December 2010
    Technics SL-5 that George Grand found on top of a trash can. Thanks George. A Dshibata Stylus put on an Audio Technica cartridge body using the built in phono pre on my integrated.

    Sounds better than it should.

    I have my Technics SL-5 table that I bought in high school as a back up.
    I like speakers that are bigger than a small refrigerator but smaller than a big refrigerator:D
  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 21,309
    edited December 2010
    Buying vinyl does not have to be an expensive proposition. Most of my collection(500+) came from yard sales and thrift stores for a buck each or less. I have a few titles that I paid more for new, but by and large, it was much cheaper and more fun than CD's... I have even tried several artists that I would have taken a pass on otherwise.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, TriangleArt Reference SE with Pass Labs Xono Phono Preamp, Walker Precision Motor Drive, ClearAudio Goldfinger Diamond v2 cartridge and Origin Conquerer Mk3c tonearm, Polk Audio "Signature" Reference Series 1.2TL with complete mods, Pass Labs X0.2 three chassis preamp, PS Audio PerfectWave DAC MkII, Pioneer Elite SC-LX701, Oppo UDP-205 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk audio AB700/800 "in-wall" surrounds.

    Saying that it's "too hard" to pursue your dreams is no different than admitting to yourself that you are too lazy to achieve them.

    “If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.”
  • hearingimparedhearingimpared Banned Posts: 21,473
    edited December 2010
    Keiko wrote: »
    You don't need all that junk cluttering your house, Gus. You should just send it all over to me. :rolleyes: :tongue:

    You have got a good case!:rolleyes: Hey I may just do that if the insurance company pays out . . . :cool:
    sucks2beme wrote: »
    Crap is a sound signature, isn't it?
    madmax wrote: »
    Nothing like vinyl, thats for sure.
    madmax


    Quotes of the year!!!
  • ben62670ben62670 Posts: 16,077
    edited December 2010
    Ben, use a tuner output to burn in those Cardas wire as they take forever to burnin due to the ultra low voltage. Mine still need a little more time to burnin and I've had them in my tonearm for a looooooooong time.

    Good idea. I may just use a CDP on repeat. 2vrms is a lot faster than what the cartridge is putting out.
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
    Thanks
    Ben
  • steveinazsteveinaz Posts: 18,999
    edited December 2010
    Stevie, go for a VPI you won't buy another table for many, many years.

    The VPI Classic is awesome! PM Sent your way.

    Got it, thank you bubba!
  • steveinazsteveinaz Posts: 18,999
    edited December 2010
    Will I have any issues driving a passive linestage (placette) with a phono pre?
  • george danielgeorge daniel Posts: 11,992
    edited December 2010
    VPI Scout with Dynavector 20 XL --Cinemag 3440 SUT--(auditioning Carls Cornet II) I would describe the sound as organic,realistic,,just a few rows back.
    JC approves....he told me so. (F-1 nut)
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 22,958
    edited December 2010
    The normal LR hifi uses a Marantz TT-15S1 (factory equipped with the 'spensive but rather mediocre Clearaudio Virtuoso Ebony MM cartridge) and a Bottlehead Seduction phono preamp.

    TT15S1.jpg

    DSCN5316.jpg
    P1020755.jpg

    Right this minute, the tt has been swapped for a dump find Technics SL-Q2 (don't laugh) while I was testing a cheap new Denon DL-103 LOMC. The SUT used is a DIY (thanks to Gary Kaufman!) using vintage NOS Triad transformers, thence to the Seduction. The sound quality is tremendous relative to my tastes; the $118 Denon leaves the $800-ish CA in the metaphorical dust. This photo shows the SL-Q2 as found, with an Acutex MM cartridge

    SLQ2DDTT.jpg
    MCSUT2.jpg

    I need to try the DL-103 in the Marantz... the Marantz's Clearaudio Satisfy (ebony wand) arm is much lighter than the Technics'; it's a tossup as to whether the DL-103 will be acceptable in that arm - gotta try, though... one of these days.

    Now... don't ask me what tubes are in the Seduction - I don't remember! I think they're some flavor of Bugle Boy 6DJ8s... but I'd have to actually check.
  • FTGVFTGV Posts: 3,650
    edited December 2010
    My vintage rig has a Dual 505-2 Deluxe with Orto OM5E into a Yammy CA800 integrated .
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 22,958
    edited December 2010
    The CA-800 is a nice amplifier; do you use it in Class A?
  • dorokusaidorokusai Posts: 25,453
    edited December 2010
    VPI Scout, Grado Statement Platinum, Cambridge Audio PP. Yes, I dislike vinyl...it's what I built for my stepdad...and yes, it actually sounds pretty good douchebags :wink:
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 22,958
    edited December 2010
    steveinaz wrote: »
    Will I have any issues driving a passive linestage (placette) with a phono pre?

    depends upon the phono preamp;
    that's the way I run my Seduction.
  • FTGVFTGV Posts: 3,650
    edited December 2010
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    The CA-800 is a nice amplifier;
    Definately one of the best sounding vintage Japanese pieces I've heard.
    do you use it in Class A
    You bet:wink:Eventhough the output level in this mode is quite restricted with my low sensitivity mini monitors(atleast with some material),I do hear an appreciable difference vs the Normal or Class B mode.

    When in Class A mode I can actually smell the aroma of hot electronics from a few feet away.
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 22,958
    edited December 2010
    Mine doesn't seem to run stoopit hot (although they definitely have that reputation).

    Sorry for the thread detour. How's the phono preamp in the CA-800? I've never tried it.

    The phono preamp in my venerable CA-610II is perfectly respectable (although it's been about 20 years since I last actually listened to it).
  • hearingimparedhearingimpared Banned Posts: 21,473
    edited December 2010
    ben62670 wrote: »
    Good idea. I may just use a CDP on repeat. 2vrms is a lot faster than what the cartridge is putting out.

    You can do that too. JM1 (John) has a thread or a post somewhere here where he has a picture and a description of how he burned in his tonearm cables using a tuner. See if you can find it or just PM John.
    sucks2beme wrote: »
    Crap is a sound signature, isn't it?
    madmax wrote: »
    Nothing like vinyl, thats for sure.
    madmax


    Quotes of the year!!!
  • jm1jm1 Posts: 618
    edited December 2010
    All I wanted to do was play the 400ish LPs I had. Almost purchased a current Technics 1200 series TT.

    Don't exactly recall what happened, but I ended up with a VPI Scout, Dynavector 10x5 and PSA GCPH. Having heard some better TTs, improvements were implemented to improve the sonic characteristics.

    The latest incarnation of the TT:

    Custom plinth (direct replacement for the Scout dimensions)
    JMW-9 Signature tonearm
    Super Platter
    Single Motor Flywheel Rim Drive
    Periphery ring clamp
    SDS
    TTWeights brass center weight
    TTWeights Soundpoints brass feet
    ZYX Fuji cart
    PSA GCPH (will get the mods installed beginning of 2011)
    Mint LP protractor

    There are now about 5000 LPs around the house.
    All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed and third, it is accepted as self evident.
    Arthur Schopenhauer
  • FTGVFTGV Posts: 3,650
    edited December 2010
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    Mine doesn't seem to run stoopit hot .
    Stoopit hot,I think thats an apt description for mine.:smile:
    How's the phono preamp in the CA-800?
    Decent actually and quieter than I expected considering it's age and it's still a virgin.(As in never been molested by a soldering iron though a refurb might be in order).
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