End of SACD? DSD downloads now available in Japan

Danny Tse
Danny Tse Posts: 5,206
edited July 2012 in Music & Movies
Looks like Onkyo is spearheading the effort....

http://music.e-onkyo.com/artist/m101210_R.asp
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  • fatchowmein
    fatchowmein Posts: 2,637
    edited December 2010
    Hey Bro (don't you hate it when other asians call you bro?), I can't read it and I didn't see the "english" button. What does it say about DRM? Is it hampered with having to "authorize" certain PC's and devices like iTunes?
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  • Danny Tse
    Danny Tse Posts: 5,206
    edited December 2010
    fatchowmein wrote: »
    Hey Bro (don't you hate it when other asians call you bro?), I can't read it and I didn't see the "english" button. What does it say about DRM? Is it hampered with having to "authorize" certain PC's and devices like iTunes?

    No problem, bro :biggrin:

    It involves Korg's AudioGate Format Conversion software (in English and it's a free download), which allows the user to burn DSD disc. Of course, you can only play back DSD discs in certain players (i.e. Sony 5400ES).

    So, if I am getting this correctly, one can download music in DSD. With the AudioGate software and a compatible DSD disc player, I can create my own hi-rez (in DSD) music disc.
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited December 2010
    So can my Denon 2900 play DSD?
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
    Thanks
    Ben
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 25,648
    edited December 2010
    or my 3910 will other sony SACD players play it
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited December 2010
    Time to conform to 192/24, DSD is for the birds. :tongue:
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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  • gimpod
    gimpod Posts: 1,793
    edited December 2010
    Face wrote: »
    Time to conform to 192/24, DSD is for the birds. :tongue:

    +10000000, Anything laden with DRM is pure crap!
    “The two most important days in your life are the day you are born and the day you find out why.” ~ Mark Twain
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  • megasat16
    megasat16 Posts: 3,521
    edited December 2010
    DSD downloads are available for a while in Europe and on the USENET (use at your own risk of being sued by RIAA and MPAA). :D
    Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin:
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  • Erik Tracy
    Erik Tracy Posts: 4,673
    edited December 2010
    inception-HATERS-GONNA-HATE.jpg


    Call SACD dead....those that like the sound will keep on believin'.... :biggrin:

    H9: If you don't trust what you are hearing, then maybe you need to be less invested in a hobby which all the pleasure comes from listening to music.
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  • scottfox
    scottfox Posts: 37
    edited December 2010
    try hdtracks.com for quality legal downloads. go to the HD section, or you are getting the standard CD quality tunes. plenty of 96/24 to choose from.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,722
    edited December 2010
    Pfffft, I'll take my SACD/DSD on a disc, thank you very much.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited December 2010
    F1nut wrote: »
    Pfffft, I'll take my SACD/DSD on a disc, thank you very much.

    Old ****. :biggrin:
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
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  • polkfarmboy
    polkfarmboy Posts: 5,703
    edited December 2010
    scottfox wrote: »
    try hdtracks.com for quality legal downloads. go to the HD section, or you are getting the standard CD quality tunes. plenty of 96/24 to choose from.

    I just checked out the site and wonder whats best...... aiff or flac?
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,722
    edited December 2010
    madmax wrote: »
    Old ****. :biggrin:

    Hehe....
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,201
    edited December 2010
    Interesting thread. I have yet to download High Res anything. I think this could be a very cool Idea. With a external DAC streaming or Network device ( I think the Squeeze box handles this I'll look into it) this could make a powerful Media server.
    Dan
    My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,201
    edited December 2010
    F1nut wrote: »
    Pfffft, I'll take my SACD/DSD on a disc, thank you very much.

    Man screw the Disc's , they get dirty and you have to store them. Wouldn't you like the idea of a media server for you to put all your Hi Rez music on and have a interface to pick and choose any song/Album or create a custom playlist to sit back with a cold one and enjoy your music the way you want to?

    I find this Intriguing ever since I started using a media server then changing Discs. I still do as I have a small library of SACD and DVD AUDIO discs I enjoy listening to but I would love to have them all in a Media server with all the rest of my music.

    As long as the quality is equal to I'm all in.
    Dan
    My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,986
    edited December 2010
    Liner notes.
    Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service.
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 25,648
    edited December 2010
    madmax wrote: »
    Old ****. :biggrin:

    well i not so old but i feel the same way
    F1nut wrote: »
    Pfffft, I'll take my SACD/DSD on a disc, thank you very much.

    I'm right there with you big guy.
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 25,648
    edited December 2010
    mantis wrote: »
    Man screw the Disc's , they get dirty and you have to store them. Wouldn't you like the idea of a media server for you to put all your Hi Rez music on and have a interface to pick and choose any song/Album or create a custom playlist to sit back with a cold one and enjoy your music the way you want to?

    I find this Intriguing ever since I started using a media server then changing Discs. I still do as I have a small library of SACD and DVD AUDIO discs I enjoy listening to but I would love to have them all in a Media server with all the rest of my music.

    As long as the quality is equal to I'm all in.

    until it crashes then the headaches begin. While your trying to figure out the problem I'll just get up and swap out the disc
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,083
    edited December 2010
    For me, part of the attraction is having the physical medium. The artwork, the liner notes.....I mean, yes, I have an iPod. I download music from iTunes. I just don't feel connected to the music the same way. It lacks soul, it lacks a connection.

    Second, and this may be pure conjecture, but I'm not convinced that the software is up to par. I mean, it may be but I remain unconvinced.

    Third, the concept of an 'album' is already in the throes of death....scratch that, it's dead...and this just pisses on the ashes. Back when music was on vinyl, if you wanted to cherry pick songs, you bought the single. Albums were conceptual, a musical story if you will. The were arranged because you listened to an entire side. Now, click <skip> click <skip>....so there is little or no thought of an 'album'.

    So, no, I would rather not go down this road until I have no choice.

    BDT
    I plan for the future. - F1Nut
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited December 2010
    I'd love to download DSD. I haven't bought a disc in a couple years and don't miss reading liner notes.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,083
    edited December 2010
    Blasphemy :)

    BDT
    I plan for the future. - F1Nut
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited December 2010
    TroyD wrote: »
    Blasphemy :)

    BDT

    I know :smile:
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited December 2010
    Reading liner notes as a justification for buying music is pretty funny. Are their memories so short they forget what it says everytime they play a disk so they have to reread it? Also, it is the rare album that is a concept. Aside from classical music, albums have always mostly been a collection of songs; some good, some bad. The concept album is a rare bird. Anyway, I have never downloaded a song, but will someday. First, somebody has to make a Sooloos equivelent, or better, music server for no more than $1500 than can play up to 192K 24 bit music.
    Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,083
    edited December 2010
    I didn't say it was justification but it's part of the experience for me. For the music, I listen to, I disagree with you about the arrangements.

    So, you have a differing opinion.....does that mean that mine is any less valid?

    BDT
    I plan for the future. - F1Nut
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,722
    edited December 2010
    mantis wrote: »
    Man screw the Disc's , they get dirty and you have to store them. Wouldn't you like the idea of a media server for you to put all your Hi Rez music on and have a interface to pick and choose any song/Album or create a custom playlist to sit back with a cold one and enjoy your music the way you want to?

    My discs do not get dirty, period. No, I do not like the idea of a media server and I already enjoy my music the way I want to.
    As long as the quality is equal to I'm all in.

    I don't think it is there yet from what I have heard.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited December 2010
    dorokusai wrote: »
    I'd love to download DSD. I haven't bought a disc in a couple years and don't miss reading liner notes.

    of course you didn't mention you can't read.:wink:

    RT1
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited December 2010
    mantis wrote: »
    As long as the quality is equal to I'm all in.

    Depends on what is downloaded.

    Defining quality as equal to a CD then if you download lossy files (MP3, etc.) the quality is not there.

    If you download lossless CD files then the file quality is the same as a CD, and the sound quality is DAC dependent.

    If you download high-res files then the file quality is better than CDs, and the sound quality is DAC dependent.

    One point to keep in mind is that a CD is the MP3 equivelent to a high-res file. Compared to a high-res file the CD is lossy, and I suspect the SACD is even lossy compared to 192K 24 bit high res files.
    Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
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  • vc69
    vc69 Posts: 2,500
    edited December 2010
    Yup. And done right it's jitter is much lower. Hard disc based storage/playback is the future.
    -Kevin
    HT: Philips 52PFL7432D 52" LCD 1080p / Onkyo TX-SR 606 / Oppo BDP-83 SE / Comcast cable. (all HDMI)B&W 801 - Front, Polk CS350 LS - Center, Polk LS90 - Rear
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,179
    edited December 2010
    I hate the future. At least in terms of where this topic is headed.
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • vc69
    vc69 Posts: 2,500
    edited December 2010
    My only real problem with server based HiRez is the high probability of not being able to get much, if anything, that I want without some ridiculous DRM schema. Otherwise there is every reason to believe that it *will* sound better than CD's and SACD given a HQ DAC.
    -Kevin
    HT: Philips 52PFL7432D 52" LCD 1080p / Onkyo TX-SR 606 / Oppo BDP-83 SE / Comcast cable. (all HDMI)B&W 801 - Front, Polk CS350 LS - Center, Polk LS90 - Rear
    2 Channel:
    Oppo BDP-83 SE
    Squeezebox Touch
    Muscial Fidelity M1 DAC
    VTL 2.5
    McIntosh 2205 (refurbed)
    B&W 801's
    Transparent IC's
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