Audio noob seeking advice on receiver/setup for Monitor 70

reeltrouble1

wolfpack wrote: »

Hi guys.....Just wanted to let you know that I went for the HK3490. It came within the price range I was looking for. I hope it is a good enough start to enter the big bad audio world!!
Thanks a ton for all the information and support. :biggrin:
Cheers!

good on you H&K has a reputation for providing high current products that have the bandwidth for dynamic musical passages, many find them a good match to their Polk's. Enjoy your gear and welcome to Club Polk, you have some nice speakers to get going with and are on your way.

RT1

wolfpack

Thanks mate!!

reeltrouble1 wrote: »

good on you H&K has a reputation for providing high current products that have the bandwidth for dynamic musical passages, many find them a good match to their Polk's. Enjoy your gear and welcome to Club Polk, you have some nice speakers to get going with and are on your way.

RT1

heiney9

Wolf, I think you made a nice choice and you should be very happy and a superb match for your Polk speakers.

H9

ratster

wolfpack wrote: »

Hi guys.....Just wanted to let you know that I went for the HK3490. It came within the price range I was looking for. I hope it is a good enough start to enter the big bad audio world!!
Thanks a ton for all the information and support. :biggrin:
Cheers!

Congrats.....I'm only a few steps ahead of you and so far I'm pleased with the 3490.
I also got a set of 70's and a Adcom 555 sittin here but,I'm not allowed to hook them up till christmas :mad:

jinjuku

wolfpack wrote: »

Hi guys.....Just wanted to let you know that I went for the HK3490. It came within the price range I was looking for. I hope it is a good enough start to enter the big bad audio world!!
Thanks a ton for all the information and support. :biggrin:
Cheers!

Congrats, enjoy your journey. Just at the start.

hearingimpared

Congrats Wolfie you've got yourself a good solid start!

TECHNOKID

jinjuku wrote: »

So equipment in the studio that is used to mix and master the audio you listen to @ home isn't good enough?

You know, something like JBL LSR 6300 series.

Where did I say watts? If I was into the watts game I would have posted about the XTi 4000.

Sorry to burst your bubble jinjuku (and I don't mean to be harsh, insult or challenge you)

1. How dare you compare JBL and Behringer is beyong me

2. Behringer is NOT (proffesional) studio (for mix & Master) equipment... Berhringer is to MHO the type of gear poor hobby musicians will settle for due to lack of funds.

megasat16 wrote: »

Even most PA guys with quality in mind knows where Behringer stands in the PA industry...

+1,000 (if at least the emphasis had been put on QSC or some of the sort...)

wolfpack wrote: »

Hi guys.....Just wanted to let you know that I went for the HK3490. It came within the price range I was looking for. I hope it is a good enough start to enter the big bad audio world!!
Thanks a ton for all the information and support. :biggrin:
Cheers!

Great choice, a good bang for the buck! I am sure you will not regret your decision and will be very happy for a few years

jinjuku

TECHNOKID wrote: »

Sorry to burst your bubble jinjuku (and I don't mean to be harsh, insult or challenge you)

1. How dare you compare JBL and Behringer is beyong me

2. Behringer is NOT (proffesional) studio (for mix & Master) equipment... Berhringer is to MHO the type of gear poor hobby musicians will settle for due to lack of funds.

+1,000 (if at least the emphasis had been put on QSC or some of the sort...)

Great choice, a good bang for the buck! I am sure you will not regret your decision and will be very happy for a few years

I am just speaking with my personal experience. Still think that SQ wise WP was given incredibly un-educated advice.

I didn't compare Behringer to JBL I made a point that if pro equipment is good enough to master on why can't it be used in the home? The JBL LSR was simply an example of a very respected studio piece that I know people have in their home.

There is a thread at AVSForum where a hand full of members are driving their Polk speakers with the Crown 402d. I have one on order for $199 shipped since they are discontinued it has a 3 year fully transferable no-fault warranty. I would take this over the A500 any day of the week.

Just purchased a pro amp, a Crown XLS-402A off Ebay for my Polk LSi speakers. I was driving them with approx 70-80wpc before with my HK AVR230 receiver in stereo mode. Hooked this baby up today and I couldn't believe my ears! She's rated at 400x2 at 4 ohms. Disgusting.

I turned the gain all the way up on the Crown to see if any feedback or noise was audible and I could only hear it if I got extremely close to the speaker. It has dual fans which really aren't as bad as I thought they'd be. I can't believe you can get this much performance so cheap. It's almost like I stole the performance! ($250) You can at least do a fan mod for $3.

And

I don't know much about the Crown pro amps but I recently heard a BGW pro amp driving Martin Logans (very revealing speakers) and I was shocked at how good that amp sounded. Everything I have ever read or heard about pro amps was that they all had great bass but were thin or bright in the midrange and high end.

This is not what I heard from the BGW amp. Top end and midrange were totally flat and transparent. Ditto for the Carver pro amps (although these are digital).

I have heard several amps in my system driving my Maggies so I am not of the "all amps sound the same" club but I will say that amp differences are subtle and not dramatic. Maybe what we are hearing from these pro amps is the dramatic advantages of having MASSIVE power reserves. My friend's BGW amp pumps out 600W/channel on his Martin Logans.

And

BEAUTIFUL sound coming out from my mains. The high and low are so clean and smooth. Comparing with the HK amp, I will have to give QSC a big thumb up.

YMMV. Experiment, have fun. Nothing to get your self in a lather over.

BTW the Carver 1000Z and 1500Z received very much thumbs up.

TECHNOKID

We should all be happy the OP has found some that will make him happy for a while (until the upgradis bug hits him ) and give this thread a rest as it accomplished its purpose. We are helping a new comer to chose what's best for him self, not wrestling who knows most and/or best.

Cheers!
TK

cstmar01

jinjuku wrote: »

Hey if people are going to come back and throw a pitch across the plate why shouldn't I smack it out of the park.

Aren't there some other threads you can spread your incredibly poor advice at?

Here's the thing. You and X complain about being called trolls but then calling out members, and then constantly fighting with them over a lost cause gets you no where, nor does it make friends.

I fail to understand why you have to constantly prove your point against people that just don't care anymore. I guess you like talking to yourself because the way you come across, and your tone etc makes people not want to try things out or listen (read) anything you write.

H9 acutally does give good sound advice, better than anything I have ever read that you have produced and makes attempts to get along with people and even attended PF. Maybe you should ask yourself what the hell have you done besides make people annoyed, mad, stating that you want to flush the crap out of club polk, and simiply just start fights with people?

heiney9

JuJu, you are a trip :eek:. In one post you are agreeing with my advice and in the next you're calling it incredibly poor. You really like to argue and stir crap up just for the sake of keeping the negativity going.

Try living in reality rather than some made up land inside your head. I once knew someone like you personally, they are still inside the institution I used to visit them at.

H9

cnh

Antaeus was the son of Poseidon and Gaia. "He was indefatigably strong as long as he remained in contact with the ground (his mother earth), but once lifted into the air he became as weak as other men." (WIKIPEDIA).

In this case, holding Antaeus in the air...would be the equivalent to letting this thread DIE!

cnh

heiney9

heiney9 wrote: »

The OP could buy a used Adcom 535 and associated pre-amp and have money left over and it would sound 10X more musical than the Behringer stuff all day, every day.

H9

jinjuku wrote: »

I didn't see you post an actual setup before. I agree with a 535 or 545 and a Adcom pre.

Just in case you can't find it.

H9

jinjuku

heiney9 wrote: »

JuJu, you are a trip :eek:. In one post you are agreeing with my advice and in the next you're calling it incredibly poor. You really like to argue and stir crap up just for the sake of keeping the negativity going.

Try living in reality rather than some made up land inside your head. I once knew someone like you personally, they are still inside the institution I used to visit them at.

H9

H, for the record I would have liked to see him get an Adcom amp and pre.

Lets face it for the M70 the HK is going to be fine. I think we both agree that he could have done better SQ wise for $350.

I wish you were willing to simply try something like the 402d at a GTG, blind. Just put ears on it. That is the only component missing here.

TroyD

I'd like to know who is using this pro garbage in thier studios? I know of some that are partial to B&W and Classe....but I'm pretty certain that the ones that I prefer, Mofi, Steve Hoffman etc etc...aren't using that garbage.

BDT

jinjuku

cstmar01 wrote: »

Here's the thing. You and X complain about being called trolls but then calling out members, and then constantly fighting with them over a lost cause gets you no where, nor does it make friends.

I fail to understand why you have to constantly prove your point against people that just don't care anymore. I guess you like talking to yourself because the way you come across, and your tone etc makes people not want to try things out or listen (read) anything you write.

H9 acutally does give good sound advice, better than anything I have ever read that you have produced and makes attempts to get along with people and even attended PF. Maybe you should ask yourself what the hell have you done besides make people annoyed, mad, stating that you want to flush the crap out of club polk, and simiply just start fights with people?

Pot meet kettle. Look at your sig line. Hypocrite.

jinjuku

TroyD wrote: »

I'd like to know who is using this pro garbage in thier studios? I know of some that are partial to B&W and Classe....but I'm pretty certain that the ones that I prefer, Mofi, Steve Hoffman etc etc...aren't using that garbage.

BDT

So far there are people that are using the XLS line on some Maggies and Appogees.

The guy with the Apogees had a Krell hooked up and still liked the 802d.

YMMV. I'm not the one constantly brand bashing I believe I even mentioned don't be afraid to experiment and use return policies. Sometimes curiosity can cost you the return shipping. Big deal.

heiney9

Juju, no body likes their baby called ugly, I get that. I take exception to your absolute ram-rodding it down everyone's throat like it's the greatest stuff at it's price point ever designed and built.

I've had my ears on a lot of amps, well known, well liked, and I actually could find flaws with them all, IMO. Why would I listen to Pro amp in that price range? It's not going to change my mind one bit. Call it closed minded, call it experience, call it knowing exactly what I prefer and look for in gear, etc, etc.

If I really like Audi's and BMW's and Lexus's why would I test drive a Chevy or Saturn or..... I'm glad you think the amp is great, I've been down the road with much better built pro gear and it didn't float my boat.

H9

heiney9

jinjuku wrote: »

The guy with the Apogees had a Krell hooked up and still liked the 802d.

Key word "the guy", so far that's one single person. I bet if polled you people with Apogee's or Krell's in general you wouldn't find more than a handful that would even consider doing what that "one guy" is doing.

A few years ago I jumped on the band wagon of gain clone amps. They were all the rage, giant killers, best sounding for very little cost. The 2nd coming of amplification, guaranteed to slay your high dollar amps.

I bought one that was hand assembled from one of the most knowledgable person in that area, with the best parts available (black gates, caddocks, dale, vishay). I listened and owned it for about 6 months. It really wasn't that impressive and it sounded about as sterile as anything I had ever heard.

I sold it because it turned out to be a very average and in some area's below average amp. But, they were all the rage and everyone on the internet was touting them as the best ever. The same kind of quotes you posted in this thread about your preference.

My point is I don't need to listen to a $400 pro amp, I already know it's not going to meet my expectations.

H9

jinjuku

heiney9 wrote: »

Juju, no body likes their baby called ugly, I get that. I take exception to your absolute ram-rodding it down everyone's throat like it's the greatest stuff at it's price point ever designed and built.

H9

But I'm not ram-rodding anything. We were originally talking about spending $350 ish. It was just a suggestion and then the brand bashing started. That is were we went on a tangent and off the rails.

My only goal OP wise was to put forth the best amp and pre section that met the original criteria (one being external amplification).

Honestly I don't know if at lower volume levels a Adcom 535 would sound any better/worse than the 402d. I do know that the 535 can't keep up when getting on the gain and headroom. No contest.

My 2nd problem is (and maybe you've moved beyond it) the lack of willingness to even a/b w/o line of site of something the 535 / 402d. You are not being asked to do this for your own edification. It's for others. Sorry but blanket statements about a style or brand performance when you haven't had ears on it is a dis-service if you really are here to help someone with a limited budget.

heiney9

I've actually put a brand new 535 up against a 300wpc Yamaha M series amp back in the day on very inefficient ADS tower speakers. The Yammy actually started running out of steam before the 535.

So I wouldn't bet on it. That's not even the point, really. With M70's in an average room the 535 is more than anyone would need unless you're running a DJ service.

H9

heiney9

So Juju, when did you compare the Apogee's with the Krell vs. the 802d? Or are you quoting someone else's impressions?

jinjuku

heiney9 wrote: »

So Juju, when did you compare the Apogee's with the Krell vs. the 802d? Or are you quoting someone else's impressions?

I thought it was obvious that I was just posting someone else's impressions. It was just to make a point that you are going to find people of all stripes.

It's fine if you are past experimentation and set. I'm not promoting any one 'religion' here. I would rather tell people read what ever book you want and make up your own mind. Just suggesting some reading. That's all.

TroyD

jinjuku wrote: »

So far there are people that are using the XLS line on some Maggies and Appogees.

The guy with the Apogees had a Krell hooked up and still liked the 802d.

YMMV. I'm not the one constantly brand bashing I believe I even mentioned don't be afraid to experiment and use return policies. Sometimes curiosity can cost you the return shipping. Big deal.

No, really, what studios use this stuff you are peddling? I'd really like to know?

BDT

jinjuku

Keiko wrote: »

Poor advice? Look no further than post #3.



Thank goodness the OP chose otherwise. You know it seems like you and x are really hellbent on bringing CP down with your bs and these kind of crap suggestions to new members. Your crap advice makes polk look bad as far as I'm concerned. Really, WTH is your point now? You're just stirring the pot. The OP already made a choice and purchased the HK3490. Time for you to piss off and take your foolishness back to AA and keep it there.

As I told you before any time, any place you want to put that HK or Yammy up for SQ contest (since your maintaining they have better SQ) vs the SRC 2496 and the 402d I'm ready.

The HK is more than competent to drive the 70's. It will sound nice.

cstmar01

jinjuku wrote: »

Pot meet kettle. Look at your sig line. Hypocrite.

OOOKKK.

My sig has nothing to do with what I wrote about in regards to what you do.

heiney9

jinjuku wrote: »

As I told you before piehole, any time, any place you want to put that HK or Yammy up for SQ contest (since your maintaining they have better SQ) vs the SRC 2496 and the 402d I'm ready.

The HK is more than competent to drive the 70's. It will sound nice.

Funny how originally you were ready to take on "all" comers for pink slips now you've narrowed it considerably, to a couple recievers. :rolleyes:

How is a subjective "shoot-out" going to change anything? :rolleyes:

H9

jinjuku

heiney9 wrote: »

Funny how originally you were ready to take on "all" comers for pink slips now you've narrowed it considerably, to a couple recievers. :rolleyes:

How is a subjective "shoot-out" going to change anything? :rolleyes:

H9

LOL. Find ANY POST in this thread where I didn't say the receivers mentioned in this thread (An HK and a Yammy).

Does this mean you're game?

heiney9

jinjuku wrote: »

LOL. Find ANY POST in this thread where I didn't say the receivers mentioned in this thread (An HK and a Yammy).

Unfortuneatly the mods deleted some posts and apparently you had a pretty harsh rant in the deleted post where you said you'd take on all comer's or it would still be here. A few of my posts were deleted as well by the mods.

H9

jinjuku

heiney9 wrote: »

Unfortuneatly the mods deleted some posts and apparently you had a pretty harsh rant in the deleted post where you said you'd take on all comer's or it would still be here. A few of my posts were deleted as well by the mods.

H9

Yes, Anyone (all comers) that wanted to grab the HK or Yammy posted in this thread: HK 3490 or the Yamaha the piehole posted (his post with this was deleted)

I still agree with a used Adcom amp and Pre. I think as a value proposition it would have been better even though the HK is no slouch considering a bargain price on it.