Audio noob seeking advice on receiver/setup for Monitor 70
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You know what 'thought' did?
Thought he farted but pooped himself instead.
http://www.amazon.com/Harman-Kardon-HK-3490-Radio-ready/dp/B00198F89A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1290910753&sr=8-1
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Check out organs signature, juju. Sums it up pretty clearly since you're still not getting it.
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So I don't get 'it' but you won't put $$ where your mouth is? Glad to see a quality 2 channel receiver is $300.
Trust me you take up my offer. I'll get more than 'it', I'll take your cash. -
If it is on sale after Christmas, I was thinking of trying that Crown Audio XLS1000 Class D amp and running a pair of LSi9's off them. Have you used that amp?
Right now, I alternate between the Emotiva XPA-2 and an Adcom 5802 with my LSi two channel setups. I want to move the XPA-2 to another system I have.
I haven't used that amp. Only the XTI and Com-tech as of recently. Try it out and use the return policy if you don't like it. That is the whole point behind a return policy. -
Trust you? Are you wearing your pajamas? You must be dreaming. No thanks!
Besides, I'm with H9. I have no use for a pro amp and sure as Hell not in this hobby to compete with anyone, especially with somebody the likes of you. Wanna play kiddie games? Take it back home to AA.
You're the one bashing other components and companies. You're the one maintaining certain absurdities. And yet you can't handle being called on them. It just shows the narrow mindedness.
You're acting surprised that you are being called on all your BS. For all your talk about the audio 'journey' you have a mighty intolerant viewpoint. -
Trust you? Are you wearing your pajamas? You must be dreaming. No thanks!
Besides, I'm with H9. I have no use for a pro amp and sure as Hell not in this hobby to compete with anyone, especially with somebody the likes of you. Wanna play kiddie games? Take it back home to AA.
No games, just a straight up shoot out with some judges and a blind covering the equipment stack. They simply get to pick their favorite.
Like Throwdown with Bobby Flay. Since you're convinced the SRC 2496 and the 402d is inferior you are sure to win. -
I would not use pro gear for a hi-fi system......its not what the manufacturer had in mind when it was designed. New members should consider other choices for home audio.
the crown are considered one of the better pro amps...for HT sub application something to consider for a passive.
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Since home use won't even come close to the demands of use seen at concerts and clubs you can simply, easily fan mod them (1000's have done it). You can easily add a quiet fan that would be below ambient. In the case of my EP 2500 I simply did the fan mod and it is silent.
Really? What kind of demand? Power? Current? Voltage (gain)? Don't get it wrong. 99.99% of Pro Amps can't drive Apogee 1 ohm speakers for more than 15 minutes. While Crown and Crest amps will most likely shut down from thermal protection and over load (current) protection, Behringer amps will likely spew out smoke and fire.Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin: -
It's not about price, rated power, headroom, damping factor, slew rate or any of the stuff the troll twins like to talk about. It's about musicality, which is what pro amps are notoriously lacking.
I would much rather have a musical, $1000.00, 8 wpc tube amp than a ice pick in the ears, $199.00, 1000 wpc pro amp.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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^^^ +1 . . . Been there, done that with Crowns in the '80s and I'm talking their better amps. If nothing has changed it is not a good choice for home use. The are sooooo not musical amps.
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Name-calling those you disagree with is in poor taste. The Op has a pair of Monitor 70's and Polk Audio recommends amplifier power of 20 - 275 w/channel. Your suggestion is well below the minimum that Polk Audio recommends.
http://www.polkaudio.com/homeaudio/specs/recent/monitor70/
On cold days though, the tube amp will keep you warmer.
What names? You have so much to learn, specs are a very rough guide. I sometimes run my 1C's with a single ended 8wpc tube integrated which is way below the manufacturer's recommended wpc threshold. They sound glorious.
My main amp is 30wpc single ended solid state amp that's just barely above the manufacturer's recommended wpc threshold and it powers the 1C's well beyond anything I've used in the past. It has more drive, dynamics and resolution than anything else I've used and it's 1/3 to 1/10 less power than anything I've used in the past.
The only thing the pro amps mentioned are good for is ear bleeding SPL. If that's your game and quality music reproduction is waaaaaay down on your list and all you care about is how loud you can get then have at. Be sure to stock up on ibuprofen because you're going to need it.
H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul! -
It's not about price, rated power, headroom, damping factor, slew rate or any of the stuff the troll twins like to talk about. It's about musicality, which is what pro amps are notoriously lacking.
I would much rather have a musical, $1000.00, 8 wpc tube amp than a ice pick in the ears, $199.00, 1000 wpc pro amp.
If you're so correct then take up the offer. What is so hard about that? Bunch of back peddlers.
Put your beliefs on the line or go home. Again the HK or Yammy in this thread vs Behringer SRC 2496 and the Crown XLS 402d. That is the context of the thread for christs sake. -
Guys,
There's no problem with arguing your position on what makes for a good sound system. But, refrain from calling each other "idiot" or "troll" everyone is entitled to their opinions.
I hope everyone had a good Thanksgiving!
Cheers, Ken -
Wrong! The context of the thread was a new guy seeking advice, looking for receiver suggestions for his speakers. You provided a horrible suggestion with a pro audio amp then went on, crapping with x and turning the thread into some lame shootout challenge. Does that sum it up for you clearly enough, juju?
No, I gave incredibly sound advice (ha pun intended). The first was the SRC and an external amp, the 2nd was to try it all out, experiment. Use the return policy. Use your own ears, make up your own mind.
I'm not the one brand bashing. The SRC + 402d will be a better solution SQ wise and I'm willing to put up or shut up.
It's clear to everyone here that you are of the , you can have a ford in any color you like as long as it's black, crowd. -
Kenneth Swauger wrote: »Guys,
There's no problem with arguing your position on what makes for a good sound system. But, refrain from calling each other "idiot" or "troll" everyone is entitled to their opinions.
I hope everyone had a good Thanksgiving!
Cheers, Ken
Sorry but brand bashing and blanket statements like everything Behringer is crap is simply over the line.
I'm sure that the blanket Polk bashing that went on over @ the woot forum didn't sit well with you or Mark. -
the fellow just lacks any credible experience. he needs training. to use a street term, he has never made his bones in audio, a perfect example of not knowing what you don't know.
repeating the same experience year after year does not lead to growth in any subject.
he is not significant to this club or its core active membership.
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reeltrouble1 wrote: »the fellow just lacks any credible experience. he needs training. to use a street term, he has never made his bones in audio, a perfect example of not knowing what you don't know.
repeating the same experience year after year does not lead to growth in any subject.
he is not significant to this club or its core active membership.
RT1
Yep, 7 years installing NLE video and audio edit systems, Crestron/AMX, Crown, QSC, Hafler, Crest, Tannoy, Mackie, JBL, Genelec, Orion....
How many speakers have you built from raw stock. How many X-overs have you wired/soldered or actively amped. How many line arrays have you installed?
AGAIN: Put your $$ were your mouth is. You won't do it becuase you're unsure. Isn't there an Indianapolis GTG coming up? -
I know it's hard to be passionate about your hobbies and not be equally passionate about how you defend your beliefs. But, sometimes I suspect the love of arguing takes over and the original reason for the disagreement is long forgotten.
I just wish there was more attempt to see the other person's point of view and less divisiveness displayed. Face it, we're a small group of people trying to enjoy having music and movies portrayed in our homes with some level of realism. We have more things in common than we have things to argue about.
Best regards, Ken -
Yep, 7 years installing NLE video and audio edit systems, Crestron/AMX, Crown, QSC, Hafler, Crest, Tannoy, Mackie, JBL, Genelec, Orion....
How many speakers have you built from raw stock. How many X-overs have you wired/soldered or actively amped. How many line arrays have you installed?
AGAIN: Put your $$ were your mouth is. You won't do it becuase you're unsure. Isn't there and Indianapolis GTG coming up?
That's nice.
An amp as many times stated can have tons of power blah blah blah but that doesn't mean crap in terms of SQ or what someone is looking for.
Why should he put his money where his mouth is? Just because you have installed the systems doesn't mean that those systems would be the best for home usage as we are stated, nor does it mean that those systems are going to be the best in terms of SQ.
Once again, watts don't mean everything. It seems that is what you want to focus on. You have had experience in the install market for a different type of application than what we are talking about.
I really have no idea what you are trying to prove besides it seems like you like to brag about your experience and saying we are all dumb. I would take RT1's system over any pro audio system you have installed any day. -
Guys the OP PM'd me on this and I believe he decided to go with the HK since hes looking at stereo only for right now. It allows him the option of a dedicated amp if he feels he needs one at a later date and is 4 ohm rated as well if he wants to step up into the LSi's.
So honestly this thread is probably done and if you want to continue to discuss your subject, I suggest creating a new thread for it.
Regarding an Indianapolis GTG, its looking like at the earliest it would be in January but most likely since weather here sucks during that time (sleet, snow, ice) it will be later than that.
I am going to try and co-ordinate the location and currently we have two folks volunteering to host, one in Lafayette Indiana and another in Southern Michigan I believe.
There is a thread on it that you are more than welcome to follow regarding what gear we are hoping to listen to, what amps, ect."....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
the fact that you do not know and would ask demonstrates your lack of experience. you can go check my pedigree, it would actually be good for you, in fact the ones you stated you wanted to flush down a toilet are all quite knowledgeable.
go learn all you can or not, you are though marked.
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reeltrouble1 wrote: »the fact that you do not know and would ask demonstrates your lack of experience. you can go check my pedigree, it would actually be good for you, in fact the ones you stated you wanted to flush down a toilet are all quite knowledgeable.
go learn all you can or not, you are though marked.
RT1
Lol.... Not know what? That you won't even a/b something like the HK vs SRC + amp?
Anyone that won't even do that is marked.
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Once again, watts don't mean everything. It seems that is what you want to focus on. You have had experience in the install market for a different type of application than what we are talking about.
So equipment in the studio that is used to mix and master the audio you listen to @ home isn't good enough?
You know, something like JBL LSR 6300 series.
Where did I say watts? If I was into the watts game I would have posted about the XTi 4000. -
Congratulations to the OP. He can't go wrong with the HK3490 for $200 - $300 depending on where it is purchased. It is a nice way to start off a two channel system.
I've purchased three of these receivers myself for my family. This unit has good sound quality, has a fine AM/FM radio receiver, offers iPod and XM radio connectivity, has a phono input etc. It will power his Monitor 70's fine as it does a great job with Polk Monitor 40's and LSi7's. It can be used as a pre-pro with external amps.
The suggestion of a pro amp was an alternative which took consideration of the OP's limited budget of $350. That fact was missed by many who disagreed with it. Pro amps do sound fine. They may not look great in a home environment and probably should be hidden behind a cabinet door.
The local Best Buy took my suggestion and used a QSC amp to power a pair of Martin Logan speakers in their Magnolia room. If it didn't sound better, they would have removed it in a minute.
It is disappointing that so many who disagree cannot do so in a polite manner causing the moderators to step in and clean the thread. That said, I'm glad to see that cyber-bullying and rude posts are not tolerated here on the Polk Audio forum.
Wow, really? That was cyber bullying and you felt threatened? -
I better delete it!!!
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Really? What kind of demand? Power? Current? Voltage (gain)? Don't get it wrong. 99.99% of Pro Amps can't drive Apogee 1 ohm speakers for more than 15 minutes. While Crown and Crest amps will most likely shut down from thermal protection and over load (current) protection, Behringer amps will likely spew out smoke and fire.
You know: The demand of driving sufficient SPL levels when the people listening are 50 feet away.
I thought you knew a thing or two about audio:eek:
If you can't grasp the fact that a home audio environment is very much less taxing power requirements wise (Current/Amperage/Voltage) than a live venue then we really needn't discuss audio until you've had a proper education.
Do you own some Apogee 1's? -
You know: The demand of driving sufficient SPL levels when the people listening are 50 feet away.
If you can't grasp the fact that a home audio environment is very much less taxing power requirements wise (Current/Amperage/Voltage) than a live venue then we really needn't discuss audio until you've had a proper education.
Pot calling Kettle Black?
7 Years! 7 Yrs of cable installation, rack screws tightening, PA speakers lifting, mic stand adjusting doesn't help you to understand the good, and the skinny of PA environment!
You dare comparing it to the Home Venue which is more SQ oriented.
If you wonder, the only live venues I enjoy are the real voices and real instruments without electronics.I thought you knew a thing or two about audio:eek:
Feelings are mutual!Do you own some Apogee 1's?
Do you want your Behringer destroyed? I don't need Apogee 1 ohm to do that.
Even most PA guys with quality in mind knows where Behringer stands in the PA industry.
I am in extremely good mood today so I won't say any further.Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin: -
Yes! And BB sets the standard for their world class, all knowing, customer service employees. :rolleyes:
I dunno, the one blue shirt working at my local BB is using Kimber Kables. I don't know if it said more about him or the collective here. -
99.99% of Pro Amps can't drive Apogee 1 ohm speakers for more than 15 minutes. While Crown and Crest amps will most likely shut down from thermal protection and over load (current) protection
Lol...
"I had never considered a Pro amp. Then I read a post that Buddha on the Stereophile forum had written. He was/is using a XLS802 to drive a pair of the bigger Apogees. He said he was very impressed with the sound. Apogee ribbons present some of the most difficult loads any amp will ever see. Using Krell's with them at the shows made a name for both companies. The Krells they were using were original Krell Class A amps.
The KSA-200 doubled up in power as the load was halved. So the KSA-200 was capable of producing 1600 Watts continuous into a 2 Ohm load. Many of Apogee's speakers were 2 Ohm loads. The Scintilla could be strapped for 1 or 2 Ohms and is said to sound better at 1 Ohm.
Read more: Crown equevelant or upgrade to the Behringer a500 - Page 4 - Home Theater Forum and Systems - HomeTheaterShack.com
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Pot calling Kettle Black?
7 Years! 7 Yrs of cable installation, rack screws tightening, PA speakers lifting, mic stand adjusting doesn't help you to understand the good, and the skinny of PA environment!
Sorry, you wouldn't know what NLE means: Non-Linear Edit Suites.
I was installing Commodore Amiga's with NewTek Video Toaster at the start (my first job in high school at 17). Black-burst generators, TBC's (Time base correctors), external frame buffers, matrix switches etc... tMoved on to one of the First NLE systems for Video: Video Toaster Flyer. After that started installing Mac's and PC's in Audio Edit Studios using Avid (A LOT). Going to NAB every year (I remember when TI was first showing off DLP light guns after they purchased the start-up that invented DLP).
Yes I have done some straight up sound reinforcement in large venue settings including hanging 400lb dual 18" subs in music halls 30 ft up in the rafters.
While I started as the computer nerd for a company that had plenty of solid engineers, they weren't computer people. I picked up a lot of stuff that they were doing quickly and about a year later I was doing about every thing else they did install wise, yes that included running cable. No one was too proud to do the work when needed.
But the computer side of stuff still paid a lot more $$. Funny how they wouldn't let a 19 year old around the innards of a $50K Panasonic D1 deck when it was on the bench for P.M.:biggrin: -
Hi guys.....Just wanted to let you know that I went for the HK3490. It came within the price range I was looking for. I hope it is a good enough start to enter the big bad audio world!!
Thanks a ton for all the information and support. :biggrin:
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Sorry, you wouldn't know what NLE means: Non-Linear Edit Suites.
I was installing Commodore Amiga's with NewTek Video Toaster at the start (my first job in high school at 17). Black-burst generators, TBC's (Time base correctors), external frame buffers, matrix switches etc... tMoved on to one of the First NLE systems for Video: Video Toaster Flyer. After that started installing Mac's and PC's in Audio Edit Studios using Avid (A LOT). Going to NAB every year (I remember when TI was first showing off DLP light guns after they purchased the start-up that invented DLP).
Yes I have done some straight up sound reinforcement in large venue settings including hanging 400lb dual 18" subs in music halls 30 ft up in the rafters.
While I started as the computer nerd for a company that had plenty of solid engineers, they weren't computer people. I picked up a lot of stuff that they were doing quickly and about a year later I was doing about every thing else they did install wise, yes that included running cable. No one was too proud to do the work when needed.
But the computer side of stuff still paid a lot more $$. Funny how they wouldn't let a 19 year old around the innards of a $50K Panasonic D1 deck when it was on the bench for P.M.:biggrin:
Come get your cookie...................good boy......good boy......momma is so proud of you!!"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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