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  • Outfitter03
    Outfitter03 Posts: 563
    edited September 2010
    George I am probably showing something you already know.

    link to values for the MR series: https://www.madisound.com/store/index.php?cPath=404_5_351_413

    They make a 2.2 uf and a 2.7 uf. so you can get there for about $118 and a little solder.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited September 2010
    Paralleling disimilar values in the HF circuit is a bad idea.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,748
    edited September 2010
    https://www.madisound.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=404_5_351_413&products_id=8372 - this is 5% lower than 5uf - kind of pushing it I know
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  • mmadden28
    mmadden28 Posts: 4,283
    edited September 2010
    Face wrote: »
    2 boxes would be overkill. A single box would work fine as long as all your coils are orientated correctly: http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/coils.htm

    I just recapped my 2B XO's and happen to have one right next to me when I checked out that link. According to the chart of good vs. bad inductor arrangements, the two larger inductors on the XO are arranged just like #4 in the chart, or 'very bad'. Is that something to consider when modding the XO?
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited September 2010
    Face wrote: »
    Paralleling disimilar values in the HF circuit is a bad idea.

    I'll keep looking for a 5 uf,,there seem to be some opportunities in the low pas circuit though,,my crossover is ptp and has some bennics and a couple of resistors,,I'm thinking that I might upgrade them first.Any thoughts?A schematic would be nice,,I'll ask Ty for one,,who knows,,worth a try.
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  • FTGV
    FTGV Posts: 3,649
    edited September 2010
    mmadden28 wrote: »
    . Is that something to consider when modding the XO?
    Sure if they are very close to each other.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited September 2010
    mmadden28 wrote: »
    I just recapped my 2B XO's and happen to have one right next to me when I checked out that link. According to the chart of good vs. bad inductor arrangements, the two larger inductors on the XO are arranged just like #4 in the chart, or 'very bad'. Is that something to consider when modding the XO?
    If you were building one from scratch, I wouldn't. But maybe Polk compensated for it in their design? I would leave it alone, IMO.
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  • FTGV
    FTGV Posts: 3,649
    edited September 2010
    Since they are both likely in the low pass section it's not likely a worry.From what I can tell polk usually do a good job of keeping the coils from the hi pass section away from those of the low pass section.This is good as you would'nt want any of the high current signal flowing through the big coils mutually coupling into the tweeters circuit.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,748
    edited September 2010
    No Rez is installed in left speaker...

    Will keep doing stuff as it arrives

    I am doing one speaker at a time so I can hear the differences
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,748
    edited September 2010
    Would like to comment that No Rez is much better than Sonic Barrier...

    No Rez sticks to plain MDF with no issues where as Sonic Barrier needs the help of a glue like hot glue or something...
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited September 2010
    Trey,, I have identified the caps that I will replace,, how did you get the resistor values? I measured mine as I do not have a schematic,,did Ty share any values with you? Just curious.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,748
    edited September 2010
    The resistors are Eagle resistors that Madisound sells...

    I just matched up the colors off the website...

    I must note that Ty has been very unresponsive to all of this so far.
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited September 2010
    Ty has been responding to my e-mails--lets just say he's not been very helpful with schematics or values,,and yep--I have the eagle resistors as well,,bennic electrolytics,,one solen,,and a hovland in the tweeter circuit,,I still can't help but think that if I upgrade the Bennics and Solen,I might get an improvement in performance,,,maybe,,maybe not,,I do like your idea about the outboard crossover though.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,748
    edited September 2010
    I noticed an immediate, HUGE improvement with changing out the Bennic/Solen combo, not to mention those resistors...

    Mids opened up, far cleaner details than before - tighter staging and far more 3 dimensional...
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  • FTGV
    FTGV Posts: 3,649
    edited September 2010
    Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »
    I must note that Ty has been very unresponsive to all of this so far.
    I'm not too surprised.IIRC As well as selling him the drivers and passive components I believe Madisound does the crossover design for his product line.But I doubt they would be too eager to disclose details.:)
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,748
    edited September 2010
    Madisound did the xover design but Ty claimed to have tweaked it from there to perfect it...
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited September 2010
    Mine are ptp in my Taylos,, the caps and resistors are not on a board.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,748
    edited September 2010
    Mine are PTP as well :)

    I think what FTGV means is madisound just designs the xover/schematic
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited September 2010
    gotcha--thanks guys
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited September 2010
    I've used their crossover service before. Madisound measures the drivers in house and inputs the data into LEAP. Since they're not using your enclosures, results may vary. My results weren't awful, but I eventually bought my own measuring setup and software, then redesigned everything.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,748
    edited September 2010
    Yeah - Ty said he tweaked everything in house to perfect it, just used Madisound as a starting point.

    Ty's speakers have won a ton of reviews because they sound awesome. Dont get me wrong - I just had no idea how much more potential they had due to crappy crossover components.

    Hell I probably could have tricked out my Taylos and got the exact sound I was looking for and saved a TON*** of money.

    The price of the Super Towers I could have easilly thrown MR caps, duelund resistors, premium external crossover enclosures, premium binding post... god you name it!

    lol
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  • FTGV
    FTGV Posts: 3,649
    edited September 2010
    Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »

    I think what FTGV means is madisound just designs the xover/schematic
    Yep,it's up to him to assemble in the method and with the components of his chosing.
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited October 2010
    I'm gonna proceed with my Taylos upgrades--Ty has confirmed the resistor values,,,now which ones to get? 2.7 ohm 2,5 ohm--in series,,,, and an 8.2 ohm,,20 watters--dueland,,mills?
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,748
    edited October 2010
    The MR cap is huge.... would seriously take up some real estate inside a speaker
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,748
    edited October 2010
    The MR is about 3 times the size of the Hovland and the Hovland is no light weight
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited October 2010
    Yea?

    18uf%20MR%20Guinness.jpg

    MR%20vs%20Auri.jpg
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,748
    edited October 2010
    I have everything soldered up and I put the left speaker back together...

    Waiting on the binding post for the crossovers!
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited October 2010
    Wow--I had forgotten just how big the Clarity's really are.
    Good luck--BTW-- I did get some validation from Ty regarding the resistor values in mine
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,748
    edited October 2010
    What all are you replacing in the chain George?

    I hope my binding post arrive today I would love to hear what this all sounds like lol
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,748
    edited October 2010
    Here are some pics

    The Clarity Cap is just huge, the Hovland is about 10 times the size of a standard cap and the Clarity Cap is three times the size of the Hovland

    Just insane
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