September 11th Anniversary
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I was in Brooklyn yesterday working on two cars. When I got out of the last car finally and looked over towards NY I saw the memorial light bright in the sky. A sad reminder of what had happened. I will never forget that day.HT setup
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One idea you never hear about the WTC Towers...we should have rebuilt them ASAP.
I was just telling my wife that last night watching the history channel..
So does anybody think the hands of our goverment is clean from this mess? I have had my doubts through the years.
What sucks is being an American and proud to be one but having little trust in our goverment. -
anhchungdoan.
the Iman has said he will not name it Cordoba. I wonder if that's what they'll call it overseas? .
Their own website still calls it the "Cordoba Initiative"He also said that among other reasons to build, they must follow through and build because if they do not Moslems will think the US forced them to move and they will be angry.
That's a strange message from a 'minister'. He also stated we must follow the constitution. There's nothing in the constitution that would prohibit showing respect and tact when dealing with the 9-11 family's wishes.
This guy has also made this statement in the past few days...If we don't do this right, anger will explode in the Muslim world," Rauf said. "... If we don't handle this crisis correctly, it could become something very dangerous indeed."
In other words, if he does not build that mosque exactly where he said it would be built, America can EXPECT more attacks against our people and our interests abroad, and right here at home. This is exactly the kind of moderate Imam I want building a mosque.:eek::rolleyes::rolleyes::eek:
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Well don't they sound like a nice reasonable bunch.:rolleyes:I would think statements like that would give all the more reason not to get all PC and cave to their demand.nooshinjohn wrote: »In other words, if he does not build that mosque exactly where he said it would be built, America can EXPECT more attacks against our people and our interests abroad, and right here at home. This is exactly the kind of moderate Imam I want building a mosque.:eek::rolleyes::rolleyes::eek: -
This thread shows many Americans are still angry and resolved, which I think that's a good thing. It also shows many Americans are complacent, which is incredibly unfortunate.Well don't they sound like a nice reasonable bunch.:rolleyes:I would think statements like that would give all the more reason not to get all PC and cave to their demand.
So many Americans and even moreso Europeans (much of it has been conquered from within -- the 9/11 attacks were hatched in Hamburg, Germany) don't grasp that these people view things in strengths and weaknesses with the end goal always being to conquer.
When they say there are going to be consequences for not erecting buildings where they want, we are supposed to be fearful of that and give in. If we're fearful, we are viewed as weak.
They'll try to conquer through force (which they WILL NOT) or they'll try to conquer from within (which, sadly they MAY).
The 'they' are an unquantifiable group of people. I'll fight against them with anybody who is for freedom and liberty as opposed to religious governmental tyranny.
Unfortunately even after 9/11 we're still kowtowing to these ****' every whim in the name of tolerance -- aka weakness. -
I just watch the four video's again and I went from tears to anger, extreme anger.:mad:
I think our greatest enemy now even more so than Bin Laden and his gangsters is APATHY! There is no reason why this "Imam" pressing to build that Mosque can't be seen as a major part of the problem by his own statements. He's looking more and more like a terrorist, Muslim extremist every time he opens his mouth.
Apathy GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!:mad::mad: I feel the same way about people who rail against our war in Afghanistan against the Taliban and Bin Laden's hoods, APATHY . . . PC!:mad:
Even the president wouldn't take a stand to say it is irresponsible and disrespectful to the those who lost their lives and their families, let alone them building a victory shine on hallowed ground, APATHY, PC! Both are a sickness!:mad::mad::mad:
There are dozens and dozens of locations in NYC where they can build that Mosque and it would be welcomed by the community and Amercans as well! -
This thread shows many Americans are still angry and resolved, which I think that's a good thing. It also shows many Americans are complacent, which is incredibly unfortunate.
So many Americans and even moreso Europeans (much of it has been conquered from within -- the 9/11 attacks were hatched in Hamburg, Germany) don't grasp that these people view things in strengths and weaknesses with the end goal always being to conquer.
When they say there are going to be consequences for not erecting buildings where they want, we are supposed to be fearful of that and give in. If we're fearful, we are viewed as weak.
They'll try to conquer through force (which they WILL NOT) or they'll try to conquer from within (which, sadly they MAY).
The 'they' are an unquantifiable group of people. I'll fight against them with anybody who is for freedom and liberty as opposed to religious governmental tyranny.
Unfortunately even after 9/11 we're still kowtowing to these ****' every whim in the name of tolerance -- aka weakness.
Well said Dave . . . but Political Correctness (a philosophy based in fear) is a major player here. Also like I said above APATHY!I'll fight against them with anybody who is for freedom and liberty as opposed to religious governmental tyranny.
Right there with you Brother but I am fearful that there are not enough Americans who feel the same way.:mad: -
hearingimpared wrote: »I just watch the four video's again and I went from tears to anger, extreme anger.:mad:
I think our greatest enemy now even more so than Bin Laden and his gangsters is APATHY! There is no reason why this "Imam" pressing to build that Mosque can't be seen as a major part of the problem by his own statements. He's looking more and more like a terrorist, Muslim extremist every time he opens his mouth.
Apathy GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!:mad::mad: I feel the same way about people who rail against our war in Afghanistan against the Taliban and Bin Laden's hoods, APATHY . . . PC!:mad:
Even the president wouldn't take a stand to say it is irresponsible and disrespectful to the those who lost their lives and their families, let alone them building a victory shine on hallowed ground, APATHY, PC! Both are a sickness!:mad::mad::mad:
There are dozens and dozens of locations in NYC where they can build that Mosque and it would be welcomed by the community and Amercans as well!
One of my co-worker told me one time " At the end WE will win" . He name is Islam Mohammed. I simply told him that my faith is not based on winning or loosing so I am not worry about loosing as long as I do not loose my faith.
It's more than just about terrorism . It's about the way certain belief wants to control and dominate the world as one STATE and it's coming to our backyard. I am afraid that the enemies are from and within our system and it's hard when we are sleeping with the enemies. -
anhchungdoan wrote: »One of my co-worker told me one time " At the end WE will win" . He name is Islam Mohammed. I simply told him that my faith is not based on winning or loosing so I am not worry about loosing as long as I do not loose my faith.
It's more than just about terrorism . It's about the way certain belief wants to control and dominate the world as one STATE and it's coming to our backyard. I am afraid that the enemies are from and within our system and it's hard when we are sleeping with the enemies.
You didn't by any chance report him to Homeland Security did you? I sure would have after a statement like that! -
anhchungdoan wrote: »I am afraid that the enemies are from and within our system and it's hard when we are sleeping with the enemies.
I do that every NIGHT!!!:D:D:D
There is a serious effort now under way, that IF it happens, would clear the way for muslims to implement Sharia law here in the U.S. They are using the Constitution to do so, claiming it is their religious right and obligation under Islamic law.
Would this mean that my wife, who IS muslim, could be stoned to death on American soil for marrying an infidel?
We need to understand that being Muslim is a religion and to practice it is, and should be, protected by the Constitution. Being Islamic is an entirely different thing, and should be fought against and resisted by any means nessessary. Islam is a form of government that uses religion as a means of control and manipulation to achieve it's objective of dominion over the world.The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
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hearingimpared wrote: »You didn't by any chance report him to Homeland Security did you? I sure would have after a statement like that!
I know this guy for several years and I believe he is not a threat to our society. He is a firm believer to his religion which I admire and respect his passion and dedication to his faith. Just that I believe "turn the other cheek" while he believes in " an eye for an eye". :eek:
He just stated what he 's been preached to. :rolleyes: -
nooshinjohn wrote: »
Islam is a form of government that uses religion as a means of control and manipulation to achieve it's objective of dominion over the world.
And the other religions don't??? All religions are guilty of this practice. Maybe not to take over the world but control and manipulation. There are bad apples everywhere and have there worthless hands in everything.. -
TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »And the other religions don't??? All religions are guilty of this practice. There are bad apples everywhere and have there worthless hands in everything..
Christianity will not chop my arm off for taking a loaf of bread in Iran... Islam, under Sharia will.
I agree there are bad apples everywhere, but in the case of Islam, the entire tree is rotten.
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I don't care what someone believes. What I do care about is when you start killing and maiming friends and loved ones in the name of your religious beliefs. If these fanatics are bastardizing a religion, its up to the sensible members of it to step forward, denounce it, and be their toughest critics.
I don't see that happening save for a few very brave Muslims. -
Maybe so John. But the whole belive in Jesus or burn in hell bit don't settle with me well either.. (fear control manipulation) same concept IMO..
To me religion is within ones mind body and soul. I don't need to be part of a group to tell me what's right or wrong nor do I need to preach and get people to think and belive what I belive. My religion and beliefs with god are between me and god.. -
TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »Maybe so John. But the whole belive in Jesus or burn in hell bit don't settle with me well either.. (fear control manipulation) same concept IMO..
To me religion is within ones mind body and soul. I don't need to be part of a group to tell me what's right or wrong nor do I need to preach and get people to think and belive what I belive. My religion and beliefs with god are between me and god..
If you don't believe in it, you don't have to worry about dying because someone else does.
The whole 'believe in Jesus or burn in hell bit' isn't being used to slam planes into skyscrapers or blow up people out at restaurants (cue Crusades references). Interestingly, if such a thing did happen, there's be an unending line of people of that faith to denounce such actions.
They wouldn't be partying and hoopin' it up in the streets as the news spread.
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If you don't believe in it, you don't have to worry about dying because someone else does.
The whole 'believe in Jesus or burn in hell bit' isn't being used to slam planes into skyscrapers or blow up people out at restaurants (cue Crusades references). Interestingly, if such a thing did happen, there's be an unending line of people of that faith to denounce such actions.
They wouldn't be partying and hoopin' it up in the streets as the news spread.
THAT'S the difference.
I agree with you and John on that point. I'm not trying to stir the pot, all I'm saying is other religions use fear and manipulation as a form of control.. and just because other religions have not put a plane into the side of a building does not mean they haven't done their fair share of evil through out history..
Like I said good and bad apples in everything.. their the ones that give the good a bad name. -
A point I'd like to make again is: "Never Do What the Enemy Wants You to Do".
The military personnel who have died, and will die, in the Middle East and who have made large sacrifices in many other ways ( along with their families ) did so to defend the Constitution of the United States.
The Constitution guarantees Freedom of (and from) Religion.
That's a good thing.
Many people have died to defend the Constitution over the years.
Back in the 60's, soldiers died not to prevent the spread of Communism (Domino Theory) but to defend the Constitution and long-haired freaks right to burn the American flag in the open (the Right of Free Speech).
Kind of the same thing now, IMO.
Substitute "Muslim" for "Communism" and we're in the same ballpark.
One question that I ask myself occasionaly is: We've spent half a TRILLION dollars over there in the Middle East, so why can't we find Bin Laden ?
Anyhow, IMO building a mosque shows our strength not our weakness.Sal Palooza -
mrbigbluelight wrote: »
One question that I ask myself occasionaly is: We've spent half a TRILLION dollars over there in the Middle East, so why can't we find Bin Laden ?
But yet we can find someone growing a small amount of Grass in the deepest part of a forest..
and spend good tax payers money on convicting him/her. -
Or burning Embassies because a silly cartoon appeared in a Danish newspaper.The whole 'believe in Jesus or burn in hell bit' isn't being used to slam planes into skyscrapers or blow up people out at restaurants (cue Crusades references).
Seeing the Palistinians reaction that day was gut wrenching.They wouldn't be partying and hoopin' it up in the streets as the news spread. -
Seeing the Palistinians reaction that day was gut wrenching.
I wanted to see them all die that day. -
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TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »I wanted to see them all die that day.
....and they were on the street chanting " Death to America". Let's face it, most of us are among the " Infidel" and we are bound by our faith not to commit violence acts. I cannot stand the idea of the"non-infidel" will urinate, take a crap in the building that will be built on the soil that we solemnly respect .
Yeah, that's a very good idea....a good historical and symbolic idea. :rolleyes: -
I was against the first war against Iraq. Saddam Hussein was fighting a proxy war for us against Iran, which was backed financially and with military hardware supplied by the Evil Soviet Union.
After Iran and Iraq grew tired of decimating their military age male population, they declared an end to hostilities over the disputed territory in northern Iran that is also commonly referred to a as Kurdistan.
Once hostilities ceased, Kuwait demanded payment of it's $8B loan to Iraq. Iraq refused, accused the Kuwaitis of angle drilling into Iraqi oil reserves and sent a memo to the US State Department (American Embassy) of it's intentions to invade Kuwait.
The US didn't tell Iraq (our Ally remember) not cross the border into Kuwait.
Whatever Saddam Hussein was or wasn't, one thing for sure is he wasn't an Islamic Extremist. He was a secularist. He didn't mix religion with politics.
Actually he was our kind of dictator - until he wasn't, that is he had outlived his usefulness to us.
Say what you like about the facts vs. the truth about what happened and what lead up to September 11th, 2001 destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and Building #7, we could not or would not have had the impetus to wage another war against Iraq without that or some singular event.
With all due respect to those who lost their lives and the lives of loved ones on that day and since (American service members and their families),....
anyway I've probably said too much already.
As a postscript and in parallel we were arming and training the mujahedeen in Afghanistan to fight against the Soviet occupation there, which ultimately resulted in the Taliban taking control of what might or might not have been a central government, the codifying of Sharia law as the law of the land, and training and empowering the Al Qaeda by US agents.
There is some modicum of truth to the old adage that you reap what you sew. That is we cultivated the Taliban and the Al Qaeda when it suited our purposes. We supported, armed and employed Saddam Hussein when it suited our purposes.
In military Leadership schools there is a section on US Foreign policy, National Security, Strategic Objections, and Tactical Employment.
The main goal of our foreign policy is to meet our national security objectives. So depending on how you define what is necessary for our national security, you then have to decide on strategic objectives to maintain our national security.
That said, someone somehow must have determined that waging war in the middle east was imperative to our national security.
I don't honestly believe that we act out of an altruistic need to do good at home and abroad. That would be just plain naive.
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Hmmm, here I go again but:
Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
The greek word for Gentiles is: Ethnos meaning "Nations, pagan (foreign nation)"
I think you can apply that verse to the 10 tribes that are scattered as well as Judah actually being in Jerusalem.
Interesting, what? Can anyone say "The Temple Mount"?
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Quote:Originally Posted by anhchungdoan
I am afraid that the enemies are from and within our system and it's hard when we are sleeping with the enemies.nooshinjohn wrote: »I do that every NIGHT!!!:D:D:D
That right there is black mail material!:D What's your wife's name again?:eek: -
anhchungdoan wrote: »I know this guy for several years and I believe he is not a threat to our society. He is a firm believer to his religion which I admire and respect his passion and dedication to his faith. Just that I believe "turn the other cheek" while he believes in " an eye for an eye". :eek:
He just stated what he 's been preached to. :rolleyes:
A lot of people misinterpret "turning the other cheek," as turning it for another blow, not true!
This is what Emmit Fox had to say about that. I have used this in my life many, many times and it works so it must be what Christ was preaching and is the truth! That's what I believe.:) I'm not saying that anyone else should.
http://books.google.com/books?id=gLoWG_F-Ei4C&pg=PA76&lpg=PA76&dq=Emmit+fox+turning+the+other+cheek&source=bl&ots=FQe0imryg-&sig=WJ0DwwDJkrRt7XlImbmxud4VIlA&hl=en&ei=LVSNTNicC8X7lwfBwqBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBQQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false
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TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »Maybe so John. But the whole belive in Jesus or burn in hell bit don't settle with me well either.. (fear control manipulation) same concept IMO..
To me religion is within ones mind body and soul. I don't need to be part of a group to tell me what's right or wrong nor do I need to preach and get people to think and belive what I belive. My religion and beliefs with god are between me and god..
I am right there with you. I have not gone to a religious service except a wedding or two in more than a decade. I see all of them as corrupted on some level and as such feel no need to associate with any of them.The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
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anhchungdoan wrote: »I know this guy for several years and I believe he is not a threat to our society. He is a firm believer to his religion which I admire and respect his passion and dedication to his faith. Just that I believe "turn the other cheek" while he believes in " an eye for an eye". :eek:
He just stated what he 's been preached to. :rolleyes:
Sorry Bro but if he indeed made a statement like that, IMHO he could easily be or become one of the "enemies from within" we need to be wary of. -
anhchungdoan wrote: »One of my co-worker told me one time " At the end WE will win" . He name is Islam Mohammed. I simply told him that my faith is not based on winning or loosing so I am not worry about loosing as long as I do not loose my faith.
It's more than just about terrorism . It's about the way certain belief wants to control and dominate the world as one STATE and it's coming to our backyard. I am afraid that the enemies are from and within our system and it's hard when we are sleeping with the enemies.hearingimpared wrote: »You didn't by any chance report him to Homeland Security did you? I sure would have after a statement like that!anhchungdoan wrote: »I know this guy for several years and I believe he is not a threat to our society. He is a firm believer to his religion which I admire and respect his passion and dedication to his faith. Just that I believe "turn the other cheek" while he believes in " an eye for an eye". :eek:
He just stated what he 's been preached to. :rolleyes:
Sorry Bro but if he indeed made a statement like that, IMHO he could easily be or become one of the "enemies from within" we need to be wary of. I'm not trying to make this a Gestapo state but we are at war with people who believe and say the same thing. When at war things change and people can't mess around. It's like loosing the freedom of speach in an airport where joking about a bomb is banned or making a threat in jest to kill the president is also banned.
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