Lou Reed Wont Let Boyle Sing His Song

TECHNOKID

munk wrote: »

... I'm in a minority here, because I thought Lou Reed did some fine work. He did a lot of shlock, too.

Willow wrote: »

I'm a big fan of his and tvu to each their own!

hearingimpared wrote: »

I think you and I are the only ones thus far who have posted that think he did do some fine work...

Whoops I just noticed Willow is also a part of our minority! As the latest member of our minority Bro I'd like to welcome!:D...

The question is then are you ALL HI ?

Jstas

Lou Reed?

That's not this guy?

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Jstas

And why's it gotta be a "perfect" day? Why can't it just be a "Good Day"?

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munk

Sweet Jane has been mentioned. Heroin is great if the context means anything- Reed is credited with breaking ground. Heroin was made when rock was very young. I don't think the Beatles were still holding hands, but it wasn't long afterwards.

Most people liked the 2 songs from New York that got a lot of airplay; Romeo had Juliet and Dirty Blvd. New Sensations was good. Songs for Drella had "Nobody but You"- a great song

Maybe Reed outlived his time and should be in the past, and stay there.
Does anyone dislike Reed because he sang disgusting songs? That he was a punk in so many ways- callow, shallow- yet apparently was oblivious and sang out anyway?

If he was a cat in the alley he'd be the one you'd throw the rock at. Maybe shoot him.

do you know the song where Frank Sinatra is at the bar, something like Set them Up, Joe? You know the one- guy comes into the bar, asks for another shot because his girl is gone? Sinatra sings the song the way his time covered this topic- we're supposed to feel sad, feel sorry for this guy getting hammered. How sensitive. Reed did a cover of that song. No more classy drunk, no feeling sorry for the guy- an obnoxious punk shows up and wants shots, screw the girl and screw the world. Lyrics are the same- it's in his voice, inflection.

If you liked Reed it was funny as hell, destroying Sinatra's classic. And that's how I could like Reed- A lot of the places he went were stupid to me- the s & m stuff, the boy/girls, his takes on politics, he really was a mongrel punk from NY. And when he got older, he looked worse doing a lot of things the young think only they can get away with. But he'd almost always have a good song on every album, a great line, and many songs were great. He was honest. I like music. Music from all kinds of people.

Lou Reed- the authenic voice of the punk from the 60's.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Who else is just plain ugly, musically and otherwise? That would be a good list.

hearingimpared

munk wrote: »

Hearingimpared- Berlin was one of Reed's attempts to do a masterpiece. He was angry the critics didn't see it his way, but many thought it came close to being one.

Fixed.

Well when I aquired the LP I was quite young so I'll have to give it another shot as I've always liked his music but found that a little to off the wall in my youth.

munk

It's too sentimental, too overdone? It's amongst the last I'll play. But there are some good moments. He put a lot of work into it.

There are two typical reed faults- he draws a mediocre song on way too long.

He draws the ending of a good or mediocre song too long, usually with a bunch of shoo ranngg shoo rann raan rooooh stuff.

Toolfan66

I would rather listen to Adam Ant!! Never liked anything I have heard by Lou Reed..

inspiredsports

hearingimpared wrote: »

Fixed.

Well when I aquired the LP I was quite young so I'll have to give it another shot as I've always liked his music but found that a little to off the wall in my youth.

Maybe "The Clamp" is the key . This thread is starting to piss me off.

I've had a lot of Lou Reed around since buying it in high school in the mid '70's, but I've added to it over the years too. Just for kicks and a sanity check, I just clamped Reed's 1984 "New Sensations" LP to the platter and played through both sides.

I think Reed's mistake was not dying of an OD in the late '80's, because then he would have become immortalized instead of a living legend who looks scary for really living the life we lived by listening to rock. I thought the whole thing behind rock, especially back when it was new and fresh, was rebellion. It was great stuff, but we listened to it to freak our parents out.

Lou Reed was a rebel just like Zeppelin, The Stones, The Beatles, Black Sabbath, etc., etc., etc.

Back to New Sensations; it was well written, well produced and well executed. There's some stuff with mundane lyrics but catchy 4 pc classic rock band melodies. vocals and guitar work, and some stuff with a little more meaning and catchy 4 pc rock band melodies, vocals and guitar work.

****, this stuff was about rebellion and he was rebel for sure. Maybe back in the day there were some Eagle Scouts, Band Faggots, Lawn Fairies and dudes in Chess Club who never smoked a joint that didn't get that, but now we're older and wiser and can't hide behind those excuses.

This stuff is clearly classic rock and roll.


P.S.: And yes, I have been drinking . . . see the Vodka thread in The Clubhouse about my need to escape images of last weekends 35th class reunion and female classmates kissing me who now look like Lou Reed :eek:

shack

inspiredsports wrote:

This thread is starting to piss me off.

Somebody has to be...might as well be you.

inspiredsports wrote:

Lou Reed was a rebel just like Zeppelin, The Stones, The Beatles, Black Sabbath, etc., etc., etc.that, but now we're older and wiser and can't hide behind those excuses.

Ok...I'll join you...THIS pisses me off. What excuses? I was alive and well during the time these "rebels" came on the scene. Reed can't hold a candle to any of them.

inspiredsports wrote:

This stuff is clearly classic rock and roll

It's crap IMO...but to each their own.

inspiredsports

dorokusai wrote: »

If anyone has some Lou Reed suggestions that may change my mind about his music, let it fly but I think he's awful.

1972's obscure self-titled Lou Reed LP with Steve Howe and Rick Wakeman helping out has some interesting cuts.

inspiredsports

shack wrote: »

What excuses?

I meant the excuses of being able, back in the days of high school, to label people who didn't get the rebellion aspect of rock and roll as "Eagle Scouts, Band Faggots, Lawn Fairies, dudes in Chess Club and people who never smoked a joint".

Now those folks are my friends, employees, wife and kids

hearingimpared

inspiredsports wrote: »

see the Vodka thread in The Clubhouse about my need to escape images of last weekends 35th class reunion and female classmates kissing me who now look like Lou Reed :eek:

:eek::eek::eek::eek: I hope you bathed in bleach afterwords!:eek::D

shack wrote: »

It's crap IMO...but to each their own.

Steve I'm glad you said, "to each their own." I love Frank Zappa, everything he did, well mostly up to 1976 and everything he said for the most part. I know people who look at me like I have two heads for loving his music and just don't get it. Hey, to each their own!;)

shack

We smoked a lot of joints in band. Hell...we even smoked joints playing chess and bridge.

hearingimpared

shack wrote: »

We smoked a lot of joints in band. Hell...we even smoked joints playing chess and bridge.

Boy I'll bet it took hours to make one chess move or one decision in a bridge game!:D:p

inspiredsports

shack wrote: »

We smoked a lot of joints in band.

And I had friends who didn't, friends in band, chess club, scouting and on the soccer team even though I was football/baseball/basketball and chasing cheerleader oriented. The point was R&R was pure visceral REBELLION and Lou Reed was the epitome of that.

Hey, not that the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is the end all be all, but the Velvet Underground has been there for 14 years I think, so evidently someone likes the dude's tunes.

hearingimpared

munk wrote: »

He draws the ending of a good or mediocre song too long, usually with a bunch of shoo ranngg shoo rann raan rooooh stuff.

Heroin addicts and "speedball shooters" have a tendency to do that.

But I really like the "shoo ranngg shoo rann raan rooooh stuff" along with the "yeah, um, yeahs."

inspiredsports

hearingimpared wrote: »

:eek::eek::eek::eek: I hope you bathed in bleach afterwords!:eek::D

I said she LOOKED like Lou Reed, not that she was a drugged out sexually confused rock star carrying God knows what mutant viruses

shack

inspiredsports wrote:

The point was R&R was pure visceral REBELLION and Lou Reed was the epitome of that.

Anyone can be a rebel. The difference between the others you mentioned and Reed was...they actually had talent. There is good R&R...and bad R&R...and a rebel with no talent makes the latter.

Enough of this...I think Reed sucks...you don't...carry on.

inspiredsports

We should start a Syd Barrett rant and see how many start throwing their Pink Floyd LP's and CD's under the bus

munk

hearingimpaired-

I never liked Zappa. I knew he was gifted. "Brown Shoes, don't make it, Quit School, why fake it? " (that stuck in my head.) Sometimes doing the dishes I'll sing 'white port and lemon juice"

Wasn't Alice Cooper his guitar player for awhile, then went solo?
Grace Slick said of Zappa. "the most intelligent **** I ever met"

But Zappa was never for everyone. That's the point, he had talent, areas of genius, but talent doesn't guarrentee popularity.

I wonder how many like Tom Waits? Bet a whole lot more than like Reed.

messiah

I don't know **** about Lou Reed, but damn he sure seems to be one hated guy!


Oh, and Alice was never Zappa's guitarist. Zappa was the guy who first signed Alice.

munk

allright- but wasn't cooper in Zappa's band?

I don't think Reed could sell a used car in this forum, even if it had a great cd player.

hearingimpared

munk wrote: »

hearingimpared-

I never liked Zappa. I knew he was gifted. "Brown Shoes, don't make it, Quit School, why fake it? " (that stuck in my head.) Sometimes doing the dishes I'll sing 'white port and lemon juice"

Wasn't Alice Cooper his guitar player for awhile, then went solo?
Grace Slick said of Zappa. "the most intelligent **** I ever met"

But Zappa was never for everyone. That's the point, he had talent, areas of genius, but talent doesn't guarrentee popularity.

I wonder how many like Tom Waits? Bet a whole lot more than like Reed.

Fixed name.

The Alice Cooper question is one for the George Grand as he can tell how many moles Zappa had on his body!

Shame on Gracie Slick!

IMHO Zappa was a genius and few measure up to him. Reed on the other hand was IMHO a genius of sorts and created his own sound but as much as I love his music, he really didn't hold a candle to Zappa.

zombie boy 2000

munk wrote: »

Who else is just plain ugly, musically and otherwise? That would be a good list.

Shane MacGowan. But the difference between him and Reed is that Shane is, as Sinead O'Conner described so eloquently, a "dying angel". Simply put... he creates extreme beauty out of utter ****. Not to mention that grill of his (was).

Long live The Pogues.

vc69

inspiredsports wrote: »

We should start a Syd Barrett rant and see how many start throwing their Pink Floyd LP's and CD's under the bus

Now THAT would be funny.

Edit:

FTR... I kind of like 'ol Lou. Fugly as he is. I think Inspiredsports summed it up pretty well. But what I enjoy about this thread more than anything is ZB2K's commentary. I think he has a latent crush on Lou Reed.:p

hearingimpared

zombie boy 2000 wrote: »

Shane MacGowan. But the difference between him and Reed is that Shane is, as Sinead O'Conner described so eloquently, a "dying angel". Simply put... he creates extreme beauty out of utter ****. Not to mention that grill of his (was).

Long live The Pogues.

She makes me sick! I put no credence in anything she does or says. As a matter of fact she usually pisses me off when her big yap opens musically and otherwise.

munk

hearingimpaired-

Zappa had a very brief but profound influence. He was a force to be reckoned with.

When you say, 'hold a candle' though, Reed also had a lot of influence, arguably as much and perhaps more than Zappa, at least musically. Zappa was brilliant, but his music though extremely clever and socially provocative was not in Reed's class. Zappa burst upon us and made us think, and laugh. I don't think anyone felt safe writing a mamby pamby lyric after Zappa showed.. He questioned the status quo. He was unlike the herd he was helping create. He had a genius IQ and he used it. He and his band played a music that other bands would struggle with, and they played it fast and well. He didn't seem to permit slouching. Always wondered how he put up with John Lennon and Ono, Lennon being clumsy without practise and One being..Ono. Anybody have that album? As a musician, Lennon couldn't have qualified to play in Zappa's band. He wasn't skilled enough. The musical genius was not good enough on the guitar. Try again when you have those riffs down.

But by the time his moment was over, sales were bottoming out, and so had people's interest in him. I'm not measuring him on commercial success, but I am saying there was some reason for the public to abandon him. We got it. We'd heard that already. He was a very large shot of cortisone/adrenaline/truth serum, but once you'd had the shot, the publc didn't often go back for seconds. I'm hardly the one to define Zappa, but though he was a great and gifted muscian technically, he was not a musical genius. He was a genius at looking at culure and society, and just happened to pick music as his means. It's not really fair to define Zappa by music. His reach went way out of the field of pop star into popular culture. He could reach into the living room where you sat and grab you by the throat, or balls. And he was a jackass some of the time. Were you getting Firesign Theatre or schoolboy sexual humor? He was probably a nicer human being than the one who refused to let Boyle play his song. (if that happened)

Reed had a greater musical gift, and his unique composition and style helped shape punk and grunge and what we hear today. He has a song, (not very good) called 'original rapper'. He's right- he was rapping before almost anyone. It's common in a blues song to lead with a story, usually spoken, a day to day slice of life. So I'm not saying No one did that before Reed, but after Reed music wasn't the same.

I could throw out half Reed's songs and never look back, but he did some great stuff. OK, make that 2/3....

And it's all just my opinion... with a dollar that'll get you.....a Milky Way dark chocolate bar

BlueFox

To the best of my knowledge Alice Cooper never played guitar for anyone , let alone Zappa.

The thing I remember most of Frank Zappa was the "fraternity" poster of him sitting on the toilet; Phi Zappa Crappa.

http://wiki.killuglyradio.com/wiki/The_Toilet_Poster



I admit I have not read every post in this thread, but it appears the original story was wrong, but who knows. Or cares.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/2010/09/11/2010-09-11_lou_reed_denies_pulling_the_plug_on_susan_boyles_americas_got_talent_performance.html

kevhed72

I bought my first 2 Velvet Underground discs about 3 months ago...and listened to them once each since. I figured "Andy Warhol" and "White Light/White Heat" were good albums to start with. While Lou Reed has a great voice and these albums both have some good songs, overall I don't get them, man. Maybe I need to give them another listen, or maybe start shooting up before listening...but trying to hold Lou Reed up to what Zappa has accomplished musically...not even close. And Zappa was sober all the time, for what its worth.

hearingimpared

To my ears, Reed never really sang, he spoke his lyrics. Rap pure and simple. Being that Zappa and Reed were entirely two different types of musicians and their music was so polar opposites it's really is hard to compare the two. I just feel that although Reed's influence had a wider umbrella, Zappa's music was so precise and timed perfectly that I think Zappa's influence is overlooked. I think bands like Yes and a number of others took their cue of precise timing from Zappa's influence. IMHO.

BTW munk, I've been hinting that you are misspelling my screen name now I just come right out and say it. It's not "hearingimpaired," it's "hearingimpared!" I know wrong spelling but when I first joined "hearingimpaired" was taken so I went with the closest spelling that sounded the same. Just saying.