How to get better dynamics from the SDA SRS's?
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This must be the place.
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I disagree with this. The simple answer is if it sounds good to YOUR ear, that's all that counts.:pI agree, there are no simple answers to his question or for this hobby.
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nooshinjohn wrote: »I disagree with this. The simple answer is if it sounds good to YOUR ear, that's all that counts.:p
Yeah, you're a dumbass
. It doesn't sound good to his ear and now he's trying to find some answers, there isn't a panacea in this hobby. You are correct in that once you hear it, you know it, but many spend years trying to find it.
H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul! -
I don't think thats necessarily the case with the F5.But because of it's simplicity it only has about 15db of gain which is about 10-15 db less gain than typically seen from a power amp.If the preamp isn't able to supply enough gain to drive it to it's full output then I could see it sounding like a dynamically challenged **** with certain loudspeakers.The F5 while having decent output was never designed to run large multiple driver speakers.
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geeks.
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The speakers in question aren't too difficult of a load either.
"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche -
Ok, then it's a piece of crap because it sounded like a ****. Except it was a Pass clone not the real thing, IIRC................sheesh you guys want to nit pick every single word in every single sentence.
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You want a cookie now? "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul! -
It's called discussion and in all fairness Brock I have witnessed you do likewise many a time if you disagreed with a statement.:p.............sheesh you guys want to nit pick every single word in every single sentence..
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Did anyone say Pass on Pass yet?....:D
High power amp with high voltage gain certainly helps for better dynamics at low volume.
Not every amp with enough current to double output when load is halved may not have high voltage gains (e.g. ML2)Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin: -
I feel ill.
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It's called discussion and in all fairness Brock I have witnessed you do likewise many a time if you disagreed with a statement.:p
Make mine choclate chip.;)
Yep, I'm cool with that..............hence all the smilies. The less Pass people buy the more available for me. So if people don't like it, make fun of it, say because it's low wattage it can't keep up with high watt stuff, isn't dynamic, can't play at lower levels, etc. That just means more for me to choose from on Audiogon
:D.
Anyone have a pair of Aleph 60's they want to sell?
H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul! -
High radon levels in the old rabbit hole today?reeltrouble1 wrote: »I feel ill.
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Cookies--- mmmmm,,, I've got the munchies already. Anyone see my crutches?JC approves....he told me so. (F-1 nut)
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I had the best p-butter cookie today after lunch! Mmmmmm........mmmm that was good."Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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low wattage it can't keep up with high watt stuff, isn't dynamic, can't play at lower levels, etc.
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You probably misunderstand what people says. Pass Lab's low power Class A SE amps are not meant to play loud. They are quality stuff at affordable price and meant to sounds superb with reasonably efficient speakers. Pass also made the matching preamp for the Aleph series so amps and preamp gain matching isn't an issue.
The issue might arises when people are using different preamp with mismatch impedance but sound like you don't have any issue with GFP750.Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin: -
now I am feeling freaked.
Nerds.
brockism......there is never, absolutely never, ever, whenever, whatever, however, forever and ever, an issue with the 750.
This must be the place.
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The F5 is not single ended. "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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I wasn't pissing on Pass just my feeble atempt of offering a possible explanation.So if people don't like it, make fun of it, say because it's low wattage it can't keep up with high watt stuff, isn't dynamic, can't play at lower levels, etc. ..
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I suspect sarcasm but need a translation.:Dgeorge daniel wrote: »Anyone see my crutches? -
nope,,nothing sarcastic-- just had knee surgery on tuesday--and I'm bored out of my mind--cabin fever I guess.JC approves....he told me so. (F-1 nut)
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High radon levels in the old rabbit hole today?
hehehehe....good one, I like that, come here, I have something that glows in the dark for you.
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george daniel wrote: »nope,,nothing sarcastic-- just had knee surgery on tuesday--and I'm bored out of my mind--cabin fever I guess.
so then your not entering this week's butt kicking contest.......
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You probably misunderstand what people says. Pass Lab's low power Class A SE amps are not meant to play loud. They are quality stuff at affordable price and meant to sounds superb with reasonably efficient speakers. Pass also made the matching preamp for the Aleph series so amps and preamp gain matching isn't an issue.
The issue might arises when people are using different preamp with mismatch impedance but sound like you don't have any issue with GFP750.
Mega, no disrespect to you, but I'm the last one that needs a lesson on NP gear or his design philosophy. I'm saying that in a nice way, not trying to be snotty about it.
The Alpeh P is a great pre-amp but the 750 is close enough to the "P" for me to save the extra $1K and I like tubes anyway at the pre-amp position
Pass w/ a tube pre is like fine wine and fine chocolate paired together for a most indulgent listening session.
I alos disagree that the load on an amp like the Aleph needs to be efficient because per NP's statement. The amp actually prefers more difficult loads. But I am splitting hairs again and just having a nice discussion, not arguing.
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H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul! -
reeltrouble1 wrote: »so then your not entering this week's butt kicking contest.......
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nope,, just gonna sit on the sidewalk and shake a can,,it's race weekend you know.JC approves....he told me so. (F-1 nut) -
reeltrouble1 wrote: »now I am feeling freaked.
Nerds.
brockism......there is never, absolutely never, ever, whenever, whatever, however, forever and ever, an issue with the 750.
This must be the place.
RT1
You forgot to add at it's price point. How did we get on a discussion about the 750 here? Isn't there a thread for that already? I never mentioned the 750 until Mega brought it up and stated Pass gear, since it's low powered and SE Class A, has impedance matching issues. How the hell that relates, I don't know :eek::)
I'm a little punchy at work today and I really don't want to work, I'd rather talk audio.
H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul! -
Ah,then heres to a speedy recovery.george daniel wrote: »nope,,nothing sarcastic-- just had knee surgery on tuesday.
:eek::eek:Ummmm thanks but no thanks I will have to pass on your generous offer as I'm sure I am allergic to those glow in the dark type thingies.;)reeltrouble1 wrote: »hehehehe....good one, I like that, come here, I have something that glows in the dark for you.
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the jello is jiggling the eggs are cooling and butter is getting hard........
so dbaldus........its about frequency band width, current, and all manners of the processing of an electrical signal,
RT1ism...........I know this one thing, there is no one thing.
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george daniel wrote: »nope,, just gonna sit on the sidewalk and shake a can,,it's race weekend you know.
you still got those retro sunglasses, they look awesome on you and will bring loads of alms your way.
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Hair splitting mode on. I suspect NP was meaning load impedance not efficiency.Hair splitting mode off.
I also disagree that the load on an amp like the Aleph needs to be efficient because per NP's statement. The amp actually prefers more difficult loads. -
yep the ones that reflect back,, gonna wear my official Billy Bob tee shirt too,, I'm trying for the "ice trucker" look.JC approves....he told me so. (F-1 nut)
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Mega, no disrespect to you, but I'm the last one that needs a lesson on NP gear or his design philosophy. I'm saying that in a nice way, not trying to be snotty about it.
I know but thought you need a Free reminder anyway coz you r offering some cookies.The Alpeh P is a great pre-amp but the 750 is close enough to the "P" for me to save the extra $1K and I like tubes anyway at the pre-amp position
Pass w/ a tube pre is like fine wine and fine chocolate paired together for a most indulgent listening session.
I alos disagree that the load on an amp like the Aleph needs to be efficient because per NP's statement. The amp actually prefers more difficult loads. But I am splitting hairs again and just having a nice discussion, not arguing.
H9
Between GFP750 and Aleph P, I place my money on P as long as I use any Aleph series amp. I know it's a difficult concept to grasp since they are made to match each other.
By the way, there are two kinds of difficult loads, right? There are the ones with low efficiency / sensitivity requiring high power at easy load impedance. They demands voltage gains.
And then the is another kind that are low load impedance and low efficiency. This requires more current gains at low load than higher voltage gains.
Now about GFP750, I am not saying it's bad. It's meant to be awesome with some GFA5802 and 5800.
Thanks for a nice discussion without being a devil advocate. Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin:
