refute

fishbones

Hmmm, this seems to have the exact same conclusion as the last time he posted a question.....errr, stirred the pot:

Leftwinger Post:
"HI guys, I'm new to the forum and hope I do this right. I decided that I wasn't all that impressed w/ or didn't want to invest in in movies, so I went back to 2 ch stereo. I got an Adcom gfa 555 200w amp some c/l infinitys and wanted to use my Yamaha rx665a/v for the pre. Well after multiple back and forths w/ Yamaha they said because the Adcom had no vol control I needed an indy pre-amp. Not what I had intened or what I was told. I did get an Onkkyo pre at a garage sale , but still don't like the fact I can't use the
Yamaha. All works well and the Adcom is a beast.

h/t
Yamaha rx v665
Klipsch 500 spks
Denon 1920 dvd
2-ch
Adcom-gfa555
Infinity sm112s
Onkyo p-103 pre-amp"

Insert good and valuable info from polkies trying to help....

Leftwinger Response:
"I know that the whole idea of forums is to
exchange info and opinions.I've received both
and things will stay the way they are. Thanks"

Seems to me that he doesn't want to listen to anything, so why ask?

leftwinger57

Jesus Christ, It's been so much fun to be whaled on . In the future grammar will be correct, topics will be specific and one day in the not so distant future I'll have my way w/ a newbe just like me. Keep it coming I'm actually learning here w/ being crapped on, oh the joy of it all.

TroyD

Well, you got to know that wire is probably THE hot button issue in audio.....like anything else, everyone has an opinion. The thing is, you can read about it all you want but at the end of the day, your own experience is what you have to rely on. If you are convinced that cables are cables and that's good for you...cool. However, you can't discount the fact that different people will hear different things.

BDT

reeltrouble1

Hey BDT, been to long bro. Looks like Ken is helping Winger out he couln"t ask for a better mentor

RT1

megasat16

Roger Russell did work for McIntosh. I bet McIntosh used normal high purity copper (99.9%) wires in the windings of their output transformer when Roger is there. It's why the old McIntosh sounds dark coz 0.1 of the wire has impurity in it.

Roger did use some Cardas wires in the speakers he sells but he told me that he offers cheaper version with lamp cords too. Just sent him email inquiry.

vc69

heiney9 wrote: »

Here we go again............:rolleyes:

That should be deleted from the internet.

H9

Actually, I tend to disagree.

It has probably sent many an aspiring audiophile searching for the truth.

The ones that stop at that article and go no further are not worthy of the rabbit hole's treasure.

(How's that for elitist?)

If you can't hear the difference between lamp cord and a well designed speaker cable one of two things is happening:
1) your gears aren't capable of revealing the difference

or

2) your ears are not yet trained

Either way, you are at the beginning of a journey or the end of one. Which one a person chooses determines which side of this argument one will come down on.

/.02

TroyD

reeltrouble1 wrote: »

Hey BDT, been to long bro. Looks like Ken is helping Winger out he couln"t ask for a better mentor

RT1

Big Poppa,

Agree wholeheartedly on both counts. Keep a few days open mid to late Feb.....we've got some catching up to do.

BDT

leftwinger57

yes bluefox you 100% correct . I've been on the machine for 5 months and clearly
need some fine tuning. As I have said many times before I still marvel at how a refrigerater works. How do they last so long?

FTGV

leftwinger57 wrote: »

Jesus Christ, It's been so much fun to be whaled on . In the future grammar will be correct, topics will be specific and one day in the not so distant future I'll have my way w/ a newbe just like me. Keep it coming I'm actually learning here w/ being crapped on, oh the joy of it all.

Don't worry wing,the first year is the hardest but if you withstand the **** storm without being banned things will level out and you will be adopted into the fold.;)

markmarc

Leftwinger:
Several cable manufacturers offer 30 day trials. Use the opportunity to experience it for yourself. As much knowledge as you gain from participating in forums, nothing beats seat time with gear.

Knucklehead

Where can I buy black paint?

madmax

Knucklehead wrote: »

Where can I buy black paint?

I've been looking for black paint too. Now one will tell me where to find it.
madmax

Toolfan66

Knucklehead wrote: »

Where can I buy black paint?

madmax wrote: »

I've been looking for black paint too. Now one will tell me where to find it.
madmax

hehe

concealer404

I put airholes in my cables. Nothing makes a $20,000 cable sound good like holes punched through it.

heiney9

vc69 wrote: »

If you can't hear the difference between lamp cord and a well designed speaker cable one of two things is happening:
1) your gears aren't capable of revealing the difference

or

2) your ears are not yet trained

Either way, you are at the beginning of a journey or the end of one. Which one a person chooses determines which side of this argument one will come down on.

/.02

Problem is most cable detractor's never even bother to experiment. They just continue to ridicule those of us who do hear differences and point to snake oil, basic electrical theory, common sense (like we don;t have any) websites, quotes taken out of context, Ohm's law as if that explains everything going on, etc. Rarely, and I do mean rarely, will the typical cable detractor ever talk about the experiments they've done to form their opinion.

As Mr. Spock said, “Instruments only measure what they were designed to measure.”

H9

vc69

Some folks just can't hear the difference. I pity those people on the one hand and envy them on the other.

The ones I pity most are the ones who never try. I can't stand the ones who don't try and tell me I'm wasting my time/money.

Meh, we all know where that conversation leads.

Knucklehead

concealer404 wrote: »

I put airholes in my cables. Nothing makes a $20,000 cable sound good like holes punched through it.

Youve found the answer!

shack

I took some lampcord and spray painted it with some black paint I was abe to locate (I'm not giving up my source!). It still sounded bad...but of course that was not a DBX result.

Knucklehead

shack wrote: »

I took some lampcord and spray painted it with some black paint I was abe to locate (I'm not giving up my source!). It still sounded bad...but of course that was not a DBX result.

you mean the extra insulation did not help? hmmm...guess i can cross that off my list.

cstmar01

shack wrote: »

I took some lampcord and spray painted it with some black paint I was abe to locate (I'm not giving up my source!). It still sounded bad...but of course that was not a DBX result.

butttt you know you wouldn't hear a difference if it was a DBX because of course they never lie! :rolleyes:;)


well I have to say Freddies cables that were made in firey depths of hell are the best. Seriously I hooked them up and wow what a difference. Real Lava started coming out of my speakers and I really thought I was going to die.

It was like snorting a fire ant into my nose because I thought it was cool!

dcmeigs

dorokusai wrote: »

Roger Russel is the David Koresh of Audio.

But he is ruthlessly funny. If you haven't read it all, his take on audio marketing is priceless:

We have been told by advertising that the exotic speaker wires offer fabulous advantages over ordinary lamp cord. It would seem reasonable that using this same wire for lamps would also enhance their performance. In the same vein as wire literature, you can have your lamp reproduce light with the full spectrum color fidelity of natural daylight, finally allowing you see light the way it should be seen and bring out the natural performance of your lamp. It could offer greater warmth, detail, brilliance, definition and speed by providing wider bandwidth and reduced skin effect. It can provide a distortion free illumination that reduces eye strain, resulting in clearer vision and optimal color perception. It can allow you to work for longer periods of time with less visual distraction or fatigue. Just imagine what it might do for your electric razor or microwave, etc.!

concealer404

For those that believe, no explanation is necessary.
For those that don’t, no explanation will suffice.

messiah

dorokusai wrote: »

Roger Russel is the David Koresh of Audio.

LMFAO!! True. Funny, but true.

advancedman

Off topic.

I just reread my post. It's Kinison not Kenison.

Carry on.

lightman1

Hotdogs..I can only think of hotdogs after reading Roger Russel theory. A strange correlation....but..I like hotdogs for breakfast. And then some pie for brunch....wrapped in bacon and deep fried........

kawizx9r

lightman1 wrote: »

....but..I like hotdogs for breakfast. And then some pie for brunch....wrapped in bacon and deep fried........

Dipped in butter and then topped with mayo right :eek:

lightman1

kawizx9r wrote: »

Dipped in butter and then topped with mayo right :eek:

Indeed! That should finish off my arterial sclerosis project quite nicely.

Thanks Freddy! Cholesterol is under rated!

leftwinger57

just getting back were we started from, wire or even better wires. The response I got from Blakeh was well an ear opener. I did appreciate the length and depth that he went on the benifits of certain wires in certain situations. I got all that , now if someone wanted to bring a pair of braided whatevres and finish off w/ the bananas we'll have a duel. I'm convinced w/ no golden ear hear my 16gauge w/o ends will do me fine. If the distances were larger or the room in any way different then maybe. It does seem that I'm so totally wrong or you guys have money to givie to Monster or whomever.

dcmeigs

I'm not sure I got all that. Is it a duel to the finish with bananas at 16 ft?

F1nut

leftwinger57 wrote: »

It does seem that I'm so totally wrong

Agreed.