refute

leftwinger57

I do tend to believe what I read, if it's from a respected audio engineer,and inventor who does not make cables.
For my 18 x15 living room 16 gauge standard is doing just fine. If you want to dip your stuff in gold, be my guest. I was taught that the more connections one has, the greater the likelihood something unwanted will happen.
Now as for my Adcom, 16 is the smallest gauge the binding post holes will allow, then it's either the wrap or bananas means more connectors.
For today's uninformed question: power conditioners. If it's power I don't need any because there's never a voltage drop in my system.
If it's lightening protection well basically in normal houses or apartments there is none. A direct hit or even a stray strike your stuff is fried. This is from personal experience, and thought surge protector would work . It
did not. As for the mono-blocks I now do understand but it's not for me.

cstmar01

did you really need to make a new post for this?

BlueFox

Who taught you how to post? Your structure is all over the place, sentences are rambling, spelling is atrocious, and these defects seem to also affect your thinking, or lack of.

Just to answer your question from the other thread, there is nothing wrong with lamp cord. You can be perfectly happy with a system consisting of 12 gauge lamp cord. However, that does not mean lamp cord is the ultimate wire, and nothing else is better.

nooshinjohn

Nice post:rolleyes::rolleyes::eek:....



Welcome to Bozoville.

kawizx9r

kawizx9r wrote: »

The copper in my cables was smelted in the depths of hell by a team of Navy Seals. The terminations are plated with pure gold from The One True Ring, and shielded with the tears of angels.

You too can have cables as good as mine. The cost? Only your soul. PM me for details on where to get them...

'Nuff said. :cool:

reeltrouble1

BlueFox wrote: »

Who taught you how to post? Your structure is all over the place, sentences are rambling, spelling is atrocious,

sounds like an RT1 post!!!!!!!!!!.

Leftwinger.......we think differently here, well, many of us. wire matters, you will though find a few kindred souls with your positiion, but really, why believe what some guy says, trust your ears and hold on to you wallet get what you want but understand there are very few absolutes, science changes all the time, afterall, its just mens thoughts and womens thoughts, who would of thought you can manipulate light to travel near zero mph and even take a picture of it, you think an audio signal cannot be manipulated???????

RT1

F1nut

leftwinger57 wrote: »

F1NUT, Ido tend to beleive what I read if it's from a respected audio engineer,and inventer who does not make cables.

Did you know he is using Cardas wire, not lamp cord, inside his speakers?

tonyb

F1nut wrote: »

Did you know he is using Cardas wire, not lamp cord, inside his speakers?

...ssshhhh,Jess...we wouldn't want that to get out in print.

F1nut

LOL....

I'm just trying to inform the uninformed.

lightman1

To the OP.. English motherf%$#ker! Do you speak it?!
I've posted some sideways shtuff here, but that one takes the cake.

blakeh

Cables are like wine -- your enjoyment of either depends on what you're trying to achieve by using them. If you want to get drunk, then any bottle of cheap wine will do. After all, all wine is made of grapes, it's all sold in bottles, and the alcohol content of wine is all roughly the same. So, the argument could be made that all wines are exactly the same... if you want to get drunk. And you'd be right! If all you're concerned with is the intoxicating properties of wine, then they're all the same. There's no point in a wine aficionado explaining the complexities of different wines to you because you're not interested in ALL the properties of wine -- just the one that gets you drunk. That's cool. Drink all the $5 wine you want -- I'm certainly not going to tell you that you're wrong for doing so. Just because I might appreciate a $100 bottle of wine differently doesn't mean you can't get drunk on a $5 bottle of wine. That particular property is a common denominator.

So, let's extend that same thinking to cables. Yes, all cables will transmit a signal from point A to point B. No doubt about it. If that's all you're looking for, then lamp cord is just fine. Really! I'm not going to tell you that lamp cord won't work for that application because it will. Sound will come out of your speakers! And you may be a person who is just looking for that one property of a cable; the ability to transmit sound. Cool! Knock yourself out!

But, as soon as you start looking for other properties of a cable (things like inductance, capacitance, etc.) and start listening for a broader range of sound differences (much like someone getting into wine might start trying to differentiate an oaky taste from a grassy taste), you'll find that different cables do color the sound of a musical source differently. I'm not even going to into $1 cable versus $500 cables because how each of those sound in your system is a matter of opinion, and dollars don't necessarily translate into better sound. But let's just leave it at this; if you're looking for properties beyond just the ability to transmit a signal, cables make a difference. It may not be a big enough difference to you to justify anything more than lamp cord, but that's up to you. Other people may listen for the properties that you don't, and they spend a lot of time figuring out what cables give them the best synergy in their rig.

So, in essence, cables both do and don't make a difference which is why this debate always gets so heated. People think they're arguing about the same thing, but they're not! One person is arguing about whether wine will get you drunk, while the other is arguing about how different wines taste. To have any meaningful discussion, you have to get on the same page. If you're not listening for a difference, there isn't one. If you are, then there is. It's one of life's catch-22s.

Drink the wine you want, eat the food you want, and use the cables you want! The best part of this hobby is that there's always room to seek out more resolution if that's what you want. I know people who listen to their music on $50 garage sale speakers and they love it. Good for them! Personally, I'm just looking for a bit more resolution than those offer.

lightman1

Let's split a bottle of Ripple, Blake. What say you?





BTW...well said. Someday, people will learn.:rolleyes:

blakeh

All of us have been around long enough to see how these cable debates go. They degenerate into name calling and other silly things. The OP didn't seem to want to stir things up (like most trolls) and may just not understand the breadth of the topic. Hopefully a straight forward response without telling anyone they're wrong or elitist may help the OP look at the parameters of cable selection differently.

We'll see what happens.

lightman1

So I guess the bottle of Ripple is out?

blakeh

The funny thing about my whole analogy is that I don't drink!

And here I thought it was a requirement here on CP.

lightman1

Nah. You're good Blake. You can drive the rest of us around.
But, IMHO, OP seems to have an issue to which he/she was given some advice and then refuted it when it was given. So MAYBE your analogy will take root and blossom.
I need a ride home. Could you or Brock come pick me up?

blakeh

I think it's Brock's turn to drive this weekend!

lightman1

Cool. I'll be lying in the gutter. Near the no parking zone sign.

advancedman

To blakeh

As Sam Kenison said to Rodney Dangefield in Back to School "Good answer, Good Answer."

leftwinger57

you guys are freakin brutealy honest, I'give you that. First off you need to know that I'm a dinasaur living in this century. I still marvel how a refrigerater works so you can imagine
that some but clearly not all tech stuff is like algebra to me, and as you guessed never passed . So yes the questions will come and i'm a big boy and i'll take what you deliver.

newbie308

Is there any reference material that would allow a novice to learn why certain cable materials and assemblys sound better, cause more or less distortion, or prevent distortion or contamination from outside sources? I'm not a wealthy man, but for some reason I find myself appreciating and wanting the finer things in life even if it means I need to build them myself, or buy used and restore it. Is this something that applies to audio cables, too?

mdaudioguy

blakeh wrote: »

All of us have been around long enough to see how these cable debates go. They degenerate into name calling and other silly things. The OP didn't seem to want to stir things up (like most trolls) and may just not understand the breadth of the topic. Hopefully a straight forward response without telling anyone they're wrong or elitist may help the OP look at the parameters of cable selection differently.

We'll see what happens.

Nice post! (as well as the one above that I didn't quote, 'cause it's so freakin' long, but so nicely written!)

mdaudioguy

leftwinger57 wrote: »

you guys are freakin brutealy honest, I'give you that. First off you need to know that I'm a dinasaur living in this century. I still marvel how a refrigerater works so you can imagine
that some but clearly not all tech stuff is like algebra to me, and as you guessed never passed . So yes the questions will come and i'm a big boy and i'll take what you deliver.

Well, maybe you're not such a bad guy in the end. However, I'd suggest actually asking more questions, and only tossing out your "qualified" observations of your experiences. Like this - "I'm running ABC and XYZ gear and when I listen to music (or movies), I'm hearing 'this' that I like, or 'that' which I think sounds quite awful (screechy, boomy, hollow, tinny, etc...)" You'll get A LOT of help around here that way, and you'll learn a little along the way!

It's quite possible that for the particular speakers you're working with (perhaps some smallish satellites?) 16 gauge, plain 'ol speaker wire might be entirely adequate. (Note the use of "adequate" versus "spectacular" - words matter!)

tonyb

leftwinger57 wrote: »

you guys are freakin brutealy honest, I'give you that. First off you need to know that I'm a dinasaur living in this century. I still marvel how a refrigerater works so you can imagine
that some but clearly not all tech stuff is like algebra to me, and as you guessed never passed . So yes the questions will come and i'm a big boy and i'll take what you deliver.

Yes we can...don't take it personal though. We do like to put people on a path to learning through experience rather than a path guided by someone trying to sell you something/or some sort of agenda. Don't believe everything you read, no matter what their title is....and try to hold back on throwing those blanket statements out there, it only adds fuel to the fire. Peace and rock on.

heiney9

lightman1 wrote: »

I need a ride home. Could you or Brock come pick me up?

I drink, he doesn't................it's better if he drives . Actually I drink enough for both of us sometimes

Cables matter

H9

dorokusai

Roger Russel is the David Koresh of Audio.

lightman1

dorokusai wrote: »

Roger Russel is the David Koresh of Audio.

FUUUUUNY!!! And true.

cristo

For the OP, and anyone else who doesn't pick up on the Roger Russell reference,
here's his take on speaker wire:

http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm

Actually, I agree with him for the most part.

heiney9

cristo wrote: »

For the OP, and anyone else who doesn't pick up on the Roger Russell reference,
here's his take on speaker wire:

http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm

Actually, I agree with him for the most part.

Here we go again............:rolleyes:

That should be deleted from the internet.

H9

hearingimpared

Very well said Blake! Great analogy.

shack

cristo wrote:

For the OP, and anyone else who doesn't pick up on the Roger Russell reference,
here's his take on speaker wire:

http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm

Actually, I agree with him for the most part.

Yawn....:rolleyes: