digital coaxial audio vs optical audio
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now basically the coaxial and optical (digital inputs) are both labeled "dvd" ....Sooo....can i hook up the dvd player via coaxial....and hook up the cable box to the optical.....at the same time ......so when im watching tv the avr reads "dvd" and when im watching a dvd my avr reads "dvd".......in theory this should work as long as both are not turned on at the same time?????anybody have experience with this?"???or an answer????Budget 5.1 H.T. Set UpHK avr 247 - Adcom GFA-7605 - Belkin PF60 Power Conditioner - Cs2 center channel - Monitor 60's fronts - Monitor 30's rears
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Well, the good news is that receiver treats the digital inputs separately and they don't seem to be tied to any particular input source. So, I think you're on the right track running optical from the DVD and coax from the cable box (or vice versa, doesn't matter). There's an input mode button mentioned on page 23 of the manual sony has online for the AVR. If you only have the cable box OR the DVD player on then the Auto setting should find the right digital input. If you leave both on (like the cable box is still on even though you're watching a DVD) the manual isn't clear on what will happen. You might have to manually select the optical vs coax with the input mode button to get the right sound.
You should be able to get it all working with your current gear, but newer AVRs make it a lot more straight forward and you could use HDMI from your cable box at least. -
Also, you probably already know this, but you will want to not run any of the video through the receiver. Video should go from the source directly to the TV, using HDMI from the cable box to the TV (if your TV has an HDMI port) and component or S-video (in that order of preference) from the DVD player for the best picture.
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On3s&Z3r0s wrote: »Also, you probably already know this, but you will want to not run any of the video through the receiver. Video should go from the source directly to the TV, using HDMI from the cable box to the TV (if your TV has an HDMI port) and component or S-video (in that order of preference) from the DVD player for the best picture.
So the optimal set-up would be Blu-Ray to the TV via HDMI and Audio cable from the Blu-Ray to AVR? -
So the optimal set-up would be Blu-Ray to the TV via HDMI and Audio cable from the Blu-Ray to AVR?
When I said don't go through the reciever I meant just in this case because the receiver only does composite video (poorest quality).
It's not a Blu-Ray in this case, just a 5-disc CD/DVD changer. Neither the DVD nor the receiver have HDMI. But people generally agree that the best quality connections for video go from high to low: HDMI, then component (over 3 RCA), then S-video, then composite (over single RCA). Digital audio connections would be HDMI for best quality, then S/PDIF (optical or coax).
So for the DVD, the best connections would be component video to the TV and optical or coax to the receiver (since HDMI isn't available). Since the cable box is an HD DVR and has HDMI, if the TV also has HDMI that should be used for the video signal. That's also going to carry the audio to the TV. To get that audio to the receiver you can run digital coax or optical from the cable box.
I have a Blu Ray player, AVR, and TV that all have HDMI. The best connection for me is HDMI from Blu Ray to AVR and another HDMI from AVR to TV. I think in general that would be the best, but when you start talking about getting the best audio/video quality with a bunch of HDMI-enabled components the optimal connections might depend on which components do the best decoding and upscaling. It gets way complicated and usually takes some experimentation to figure out what's best unfortunately. -
On3s&Z3r0s wrote: »Also, you probably already know this, but you will want to not run any of the video through the receiver. Video should go from the source directly to the TV, using HDMI from the cable box to the TV (if your TV has an HDMI port) and component or S-video (in that order of preference) from the DVD player for the best picture.
exactly this s how i planned it .....cable to tv via hdmi .....dvd to tv via componentBudget 5.1 H.T. Set UpHK avr 247 - Adcom GFA-7605 - Belkin PF60 Power Conditioner - Cs2 center channel - Monitor 60's fronts - Monitor 30's rears
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exactly this s how i planned it .....cable to tv via hdmi .....dvd to tv via component
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On3s&Z3r0s wrote: »Ah... so you were testing us... guess that means I passed. Hooray for me, it's Miller Time! :cool:
nooo...its not like that.....i always had my video set up this way....but ive owned this avr since 2000 and you just explained the sound input so i get it.....finally i can run digital on both dvd and cable ....coaxial cable and optical cable are on there way(MONOPRICE!!!!!!!****!!!!!!) thanks for the help guysBudget 5.1 H.T. Set UpHK avr 247 - Adcom GFA-7605 - Belkin PF60 Power Conditioner - Cs2 center channel - Monitor 60's fronts - Monitor 30's rears
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(MONOPRICE!!!!!!!****!!!!!!)
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Monoprice is entry level at best"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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Monoprice is entry level at best
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Yes there is. Most just refuse to accept it, preferring to cling to beliefs that have been disproven again and again.
I'm sorry that your hearing isn't good enough to hear the differences between analog audio cables, William. I really am.;) However, that's no reason to discourage others from simply TRYING it for THEMSELVES.
I've definitely heard differences in analog cables in my own rig, with my own ears though. No "proof" is going to convince me otherwise.
I'll state it once again...if others hear differences in cables, how does it affect you at all? Are you on a personal mission to stop people from spending their own money how they see fit? Just because you haven't(or refuse to) hear(d) the differences in cables, doesn't mean that others don't(or won't).
You should thank the people that drop big money on cables. They're stimulating the economy, of which you are a part. People that buy high end cables make life better for everybody, by improving the countries financial position.;)The nirvana inducer-
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Don't we all know digital cables (providings 0s and 1s) don't need luxury cables like typical analogue cables afterall, aren't 0s and 1s providing the same signal results through an innexpensive cable or an esoteric cable? The innexpensive cable may not be as shiny but is still as effective. I do not think anyone can prove that distorded 1s and 0s are not as effective as cleaned 1s and 0s from esoteric cables, right?
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comfortablycurt wrote: »I'm sorry that your hearing isn't good enough to hear the differences between analog audio cables, William. I really am.;) However, that's no reason to discourage others from simply TRYING it for THEMSELVES.
I've definitely heard differences in analog cables in my own rig, with my own ears though. No "proof" is going to convince me otherwise.
I'll state it once again...if others hear differences in cables, how does it affect you at all? Are you on a personal mission to stop people from spending their own money how they see fit? Just because you haven't(or refuse to) hear(d) the differences in cables, doesn't mean that others don't(or won't).
You should thank the people that drop big money on cables. They're stimulating the economy, of which you are a part. People that buy high end cables make life better for everybody, by improving the countries financial position.;)
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oh and to be quite honest, TOSLINK was created to eliminate ground loop hum between equipment.
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perhaps you could learn how to use the multiple quote...............I mean you are smart enough to think cables don;t matter :rolleyes:"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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Remember the thread title: digital coaxial audio vs optical audioAight boys and girls which is better coaxial or optical and why??????runnen a sony avr with monitor series spakers....any opinions will be appreciated ....any facts will be appreciated.....thanksok i did some searching and rendered no results.....some go one way some go the other...so what i wanna know is how do diehard polkie audiophiles go...why do i get the feeling that there is not a straight answerBeacuse there isn't a definitive answer. This is audio and much is subjective.Yes there is. Most just refuse to accept it, preferring to cling to beliefs that have been disproven again and again.Giddy-up......................here we go. Another cable debate :rolleyes:. Sick and tired of them. Have fun guys.comfortablycurt wrote: »In my experience, there is absolutely no difference between coax/optical cables. I've tried several, and have never been able to tell any differences.
I've heard plenty of differences in analog cables...but not digital.comfortablycurt wrote: »I'm sorry that your hearing isn't good enough to hear the differences between analog audio cables, William. I really am.;) However, that's no reason to discourage others from simply TRYING it for THEMSELVES.
I've definitely heard differences in analog cables in my own rig, with my own ears though. No "proof" is going to convince me otherwise.
When did this go from digital to analog? Why even bother responding to William's seemingly irrelevant statement? Just don't take the bait.
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comfortablycurt wrote: »I'm sorry that your hearing isn't good enough to hear the differences between analog audio cables, William. I really am.;) However, that's no reason to discourage others from simply TRYING it for THEMSELVES.
And I'm sorry that your reading comprehension isn't good enough to understand that this thread, and the original question was about DIGITAL cables. -
to get back on track no digital cable is going to sound any different at all. toslink cables are more expensive but do not have the potential to cause ground loop hums, there really is no difference.
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yepimonfire wrote: »to get back on track no digital cable is going to sound any different at all. toslink cables are more expensive but do not have the potential to cause ground loop hums, there really is no difference.
That's your opinion and I happen to disagree at a certain level of gear differences are discernible.
To the OP
Some can hear a difference between coax and toslink. I prefer coax if you can hook things up that way because with toslink there are extra conversions taking place. For your application, and your level of gear go with whatever is the most inexpensive to get your end result because you won;t be able to hear a difference.
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That's your opinion and I happen to disagree at a certain level of gear differences are discernible.
To the OP
Some can hear a difference between coax and toslink. I prefer coax if you can hook things up that way because with toslink there are extra conversions taking place. For your application, and your level of gear go with whatever is the most inexpensive to get your end result because you won;t be able to hear a difference.
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How far can a digital coaxial cable be run before the signal degradation?
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Aight boys and girls which is better coaxial or optical and why??????runnen a sony avr with monitor series spakers....any opinions will be appreciated ....any facts will be appreciated.....thanks
I can only offer opinions based on my own experience with digital output and an AVR, so here goes.
Optical is always better than Coaxial due to the TosLink cable being a fiber-optic cable vs. the digital coaxial cable being wire. The lack of the potential for ground loop hums when using optical cable is actually an important signficant difference. (It's also worth noting that a standard composite video cable can actually be substituted for a digital coaxial cable with no significant detectable difference in audio quality.)
The short answer is to use optical unless the device only has a coaxial output to connect to the AVR, in which case the solution is to use coaxial.
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That's your opinion and I happen to disagree at a certain level of gear differences are discernible.
To the OP
Some can hear a difference between coax and toslink. I prefer coax if you can hook things up that way because with toslink there are extra conversions taking place. For your application, and your level of gear go with whatever is the most inexpensive to get your end result because you won;t be able to hear a difference.
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What do you think your the cats meow because you got expensive cables......you better check yourself.....and yes monoprice does kick ****.....and yes I have good hearing.....so take your head out of your" heiney"
What am I checking myself for? Awesomeness!!!! Why don't you dial it down a bit and not take it so personally. It's obvious you haven't been in this hobby long and you have much to learn.
My statement stands.Optical is always better than Coaxial due to the TosLink cable being a fiber-optic cable vs. the digital coaxial cable being wire.
Simply not true in every case nor is it true for the reason you state. In audio it's difficult to speak in absolutes.
H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul! -
What do you think your the cats meow because you got expensive cables......you better check yourself.....and yes monoprice does kick ****.....and yes I have good hearing.....so take your head out of your" heiney"
K-daugh, chill out bro, H9 is right though, most of the equipment on here (including mine) isnt really up to the task of being able to discern the difference in high end cables and mid-grade cables...thats all he was sayin.
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Your checking yourself about you attitude towards monoprice I have been in this hobby for a while but I don't have unlimited funds to buy the best of gear .....I live in the real world where frugalness is everything and monoprice is the nuts!!!!Budget 5.1 H.T. Set UpHK avr 247 - Adcom GFA-7605 - Belkin PF60 Power Conditioner - Cs2 center channel - Monitor 60's fronts - Monitor 30's rears
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