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I wouldn't be surprised, Mexico is pretty close to be US in my book.
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I sold my year-old Emo XPA-2 to a Canadian for the same amount I had paid for it. He said they were quoting him something like $350 shipping for a new one.
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185 posts? You should know better, I am never kidding, right? Doesn't the US rule over MexicoHuh?your joking right?
What a killer! You should however finish the story... How much did cost him for shipping + going through the border buying yours?mdaudioguy wrote: »I sold my year-old Emo XPA-2 to a Canadian for the same amount I had paid for it. He said they were quoting him something like $350 shipping for a new one.
Cheers!
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Whatever b*tch.:DOK, except for one.
The drug lords rule Mexico do they not?but I took your meaning to be geographical relationship.You should know better, I am never kidding, right? Doesn't the US rule over Mexico -
Given your age and I take it you've been in Canada for awhile, should you not be used to this by now ? I mean for example,free healthcare isn't free, you still pay for it in everything you buy. I just don't see what the complaint is, stuff costs too much ? Welcome to the party.HT SYSTEM-
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Technokid, if you order stuff often from the states, drive across the border and get a P.O. Box at a U.S. post office. Have the stuff shipped there. Then drive over there and bring it across, you just pay the tax on the Canadian dollar value of the item.
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It doesn't make any sense:
Patio doors manufactured by a company in Winnipeg Manitoba sell in Canada for $950 CAD. The same doors from the same company, manufactured in the same place, sell at Menards in the USA for $299 USD
It is like this for many things. It sucks, but I am used to it by now. Most of my speakers I purchase from Amazon, get shipped to Northern Minnesota, and then drive down to pick up (along with some duty-free liquor). Skip the brokerage fees that UPS, FedEX etc. charge. Bring across a 1000 dollar subwoofer, only pay 130 in tax (PST and GST). Most things I buy end up close to half price by purchasing from the USA instead of Canada. I'd rather buy local, but local just doesn't offer up as much bang for the buck.
You should see how many people bought used and new vehicles from the US when the dollar was at par 2 years ago. Enough that somebody opened a temporary dealership in the parking lot of the store 500 yards away from the Canadian border!
The difference is there with most consumer goods, sadly. At the same time, our minimum wage is about $10.50 (isn't it lower in the USA???) -
Should one ever get used ofbeing abused? Like you and everyone on this site (be US or CDN and other nationalities cytizen) I am looking for a fair price that is the best bang for the buck. I consider I am entitle to this just as much as you are, right?Given your age and I take it you've been in Canada for awhile, should you not be used to this by now ? I mean for example,free healthcare isn't free, you still pay for it in everything you buy. I just don't see what the complaint is, stuff costs too much ? Welcome to the party. Oh another note for you, wanting to pay the fair price for the goods has nothing to do with age, except that maybe when you are older you see where the abuse is.
Health care is not free, that you got right. What you got wrong has got nothing to do with good taxes but rather income taxes which (is fresh in my mind since we have been through this on the news lately) believe it or not, our income taxes in QC are 45% of our income taxes. By the way, I never complaines about the goods taxes even if they are pretty efty (average 13% in Canada except for Quebec which is more likely 15%). What I get choked about is the so called duty and other $$ abusive $$ added while coming across the border. The example I gave you for the PSW505 which is 750$ in Canada while it is 250$ in the US. Look at the HitMaster I also gave as an example, it is 99$ MSRP at Polk and Frys offer a special at 69$ and it winds up being 185$ once it gets to my home. For you maybe there is nothing wrong with this but for us CDN, we definitely are NOT getting the BBB! Some extra dollars isn't too bad would swallow and shut up but I am not dum either. I gave a few examples of the other way around along with other CDNs giving some more example of that on way street. Just put your self in CDN shoes (they might not be as luxury as yours with the same cost)
I Joe, I know many do that but I also know that it doesn't always work. This could be costly not counting I never been too keen about being an outlaw. I am not even sure if I'd be able to lie at the frontier without being caught (never practiced much lying)joeparaski wrote: »Technokid, if you order stuff often from the states, drive across the border and get a P.O. Box at a U.S. post office. Have the stuff shipped there. Then drive over there and bring it across, you just pay the tax on the Canadian dollar value of the item.
Joe
Also, being appproximately 18 hours round trip from the closest US city will it really be worthwile the troule?
If you actually buy in the US and bring it back your self you will not have to pay the duties and simply the usual PST & GST taxes, it that what your are saying? How can this be possible?It doesn't make any sense:
Patio doors manufactured by a company in Winnipeg Manitoba sell in Canada for $950 CAD. The same doors from the same company, manufactured in the same place, sell at Menards in the USA for $299 USD
It is like this for many things. It sucks, but I am used to it by now. Most of my speakers I purchase from Amazon, get shipped to Northern Minnesota, and then drive down to pick up (along with some duty-free liquor). Skip the brokerage fees that UPS, FedEX etc. charge. Bring across a 1000 dollar subwoofer, only pay 130 in tax (PST and GST). Most things I buy end up close to half price by purchasing from the USA instead of Canada. I'd rather buy local, but local just doesn't offer up as much bang for the buck.
You should see how many people bought used and new vehicles from the US when the dollar was at par 2 years ago. Enough that somebody opened a temporary dealership in the parking lot of the store 500 yards away from the Canadian border!
By the way, Joe & BeRad, thank you for taking the time to give me those hints.
Cheers!
TK
The difference is there with most consumer goods, sadly. At the same time, our minimum wage is about $10.50 (isn't it lower in the USA???)DARE TO SOAR:
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I'm not sure what you mean. First of all, Ogdensburg, N.Y. is 1.5 hours away from you. Second, you are doing nothing illegal (I don't). What you are doing is avoiding the brokerage fees that UPS or Fedex would charge you.
Buy a $500 amp from Kentucky and ship it to a P.O. box in Ogdensburg. You pay the item and shipping just like any other American would. You drive 1.5 hours to Ogdensburg, declare your amp at the border, they change the $500 U.S. to Cdn. dollars and then they charge you the GST and PST on top of that, just as you would any other item you buy in Canada.
And yes, I've done it many times. It's just like cross-border shopping...as long as you declare what you purchased there will be no problem. Try and hide something, then that's where the trouble begins if you get caught. They have the internet too, and can check up on things.
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Or just drive across the border, find a store that sells the items you want. Buy them and drive them back across the border. Declare your purchase, pay your tax, and go home.
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Goodness, never been too good with mapping and I guess I am tired to have missed that. I looked at Ottawa toward closest US boarder and I was really out in the bushes (oups is lightmen there :eek:), You are right, from google map from home to that place is actually 121 kms and 1hr 32 min. Any US cousins in that area no some good audio store over there? This could be a nice Satuday drive and curiosity shopping with my sonsjoeparaski wrote: »I'm not sure what you mean. First of all, Ogdensburg, N.Y. is 1.5 hours away from you. Second, you are doing nothing illegal (I don't). What you are doing is avoiding the brokerage fees that UPS or Fedex would charge you.
Buy a $500 amp from Kentucky and ship it to a P.O. box in Ogdensburg. You pay the item and shipping just like any other American would. You drive 1.5 hours to Ogdensburg, declare your amp at the border, they change the $500 U.S. to Cdn. dollars and then they charge you the GST and PST on top of that, just as you would any other item you buy in Canada.
And yes, I've done it many times. It's just like cross-border shopping...as long as you declare what you purchased there will be no problem. Try and hide something, then that's where the trouble begins if you get caught. They have the internet too, and can check up on things.
Joe I bet they'd love to drive there with their dad :cool:
Thanks for opening my eyes Joe :cool:DARE TO SOAR:
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If you actually buy in the US and bring it back your self you will not have to pay the duties and simply the usual PST & GST taxes, it that what your are saying? How can this be possible?
Duties are not applied to all goods. They are applied on some goods in addition to taxes but 99% of consumer goods are tax-only. They biggest rip-off in shipping cross-border is the ridiculous brokerage fees carriers charge. Consider it an extra fee for them having to do the paperwork required to bring something across the border as a third party - something that isn't needed of you bring the stuff across yourself.
Taxes aren't applied to all items either. Check out the Canadian Border Services website where they will have more detailed information that I could give you. -
I bought on sale for $720 shipped, in early '09. He offered me that PLUS shipping - $850 ($130 via Fedex Ground). He was worried about duty, but reported that he somehow managed to get it without paying a duty. I'm not too familiar with duty fees, so I really don't know how it works. It was a win-win sale. He was very happy, and I got all my $$ back... Which I promptly spent on some Monitor 11s, LSi7s, and a Cambridge Audio integrated!What a killer! You should however finish the story... How much did cost him for shipping + going through the border buying yours?
Cheers!
TK -
Indeed a win-win situation :cool: Did he by any chance asked you to send them as a gift?mdaudioguy wrote: »I bought on sale for $720 shipped, in early '09. He offered me that PLUS shipping - $850 ($130 via Fedex Ground). He was worried about duty, but reported that he somehow managed to get it without paying a duty. I'm not too familiar with duty fees, so I really don't know how it works. It was a win-win sale. He was very happy, and I got all my $$ back... Which I promptly spent on some Monitor 11s, LSi7s, and a Cambridge Audio integrated!
Oh, thanks BerRad your insight is very much appreciated. I am a goof when it comes to this. The only times I had US stuff shipped to me way back in the past the Canadian Forces had taken care of everything for me... never experience really large shipments from the US only some very small packages. Maybe with that knowledge, I'll be able to start looking at the FS a little more seriously :cool:DARE TO SOAR:
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Maybe you missed my point Tech, the taxes,duty fees,etc are high to discourage you buying cheaper products here. If your not paying the premium price in Canada,your not contributing to all the freebies that Canada offers. Didn't mean to offend,but it kinda comes off as you wanting it both ways. Not to worry though,we are well on our way to being in the same boat.HT SYSTEM-
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No offense in any way Tony! One thing is believe me, I pay more than my share of income taxes and good taxes. Here in Canada it is up to the middle class to pay the tab for both the lower income (no money to pay for) along with the rich (all kind of taxes exemptions and evasion), isn't that :cool:
One thing that would be definitely great is a CDN Polk direct or ebay store. We would still pay our taxes but not the abuse the carrier are charging, it would probably be night and days!
Cheers!
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mdaudioguy wrote: »Wow, it must suck to be Canadian.Not really.;)
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TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »Well if it was someone from here I would think about it but what a pita the last two times shipping there. I really think the border between the US and Canada are tighter then the border between Mexico and the US.
No kidding! Those biker drug runners up to Canada and back have only a couple of few entrances where they can go back and forth practically unfettered.
Between here and Mexico is a joke. Miles and miles of desert wilderness to just get through so anything can be brought over without and duty or customs. -
Few more years to go and then I, my sister and her husband are talking about travelling for a year and of course we will be going through the states however... possibly 6 to 10 years (depending early retirement or not) :cool:
Well that gives you plenty of time to scope out ways of getting a semi full of gear & speakers back the Canada without your duty & taxes.:eek: -
Yabadabadooooooooo:D:D:D:cool:hearingimpared wrote: »Well that gives you plenty of time to scope out ways of getting a semi full of gear & speakers back the Canada without your duty & taxes.:eek:DARE TO SOAR:
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Never had any problems going across when I was in the military. Since the 9-11 tragedy its been a lot harder and especially the last couple years. You now need a passport and all just like any other travellers.
Of course, nothing is all black and white as an example I spent about a month in hospital and was financially covered for the last 4 months +. This kind of blessing would be a whole lot harder in the US (in example: Ben would have been taken good care of in Canada).
Cheers!
TK
Let me ask you this TK why is it that the wealthy Canadians as well as some of the politicians come here for their medical needs? From what I understand it might take months to get appointments with specialists up there because of the "national health care."
BTW do you think that all the costs Canadians incur such as the topic of this thread are due to having to pay for "right" to free medical care? Are your taxes rediculously high because of it?
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185 posts? You should know better, I am never kidding, right? Doesn't the US rule over Mexico
What a killer! You should however finish the story... How much did cost him for shipping + going through the border buying yours?
Cheers!
TK
Um, think again on the post count TK.
BTW isn't being French Canadian the reason you are never kidding?:eek::D:p -
It doesn't make any sense:
Patio doors manufactured by a company in Winnipeg Manitoba sell in Canada for $950 CAD. The same doors from the same company, manufactured in the same place, sell at Menards in the USA for $299 USD
It is like this for many things. It sucks, but I am used to it by now. Most of my speakers I purchase from Amazon, get shipped to Northern Minnesota, and then drive down to pick up (along with some duty-free liquor). Skip the brokerage fees that UPS, FedEX etc. charge. Bring across a 1000 dollar subwoofer, only pay 130 in tax (PST and GST). Most things I buy end up close to half price by purchasing from the USA instead of Canada. I'd rather buy local, but local just doesn't offer up as much bang for the buck.
You should see how many people bought used and new vehicles from the US when the dollar was at par 2 years ago. Enough that somebody opened a temporary dealership in the parking lot of the store 500 yards away from the Canadian border!
The difference is there with most consumer goods, sadly. At the same time, our minimum wage is about $10.50 (isn't it lower in the USA???)
Just your free healthcare cost taxes alone could be the reason you guys have to pay such high prices for goods. Canada's minimum wage in almost double that of the US but then again, minimum wage is a joke here anyway.
Look at England's income taxes. They're something like 75% to cover all the social programs and free medical care!:eek: -
No offense in any way Tony! One thing is believe me, I pay more than my share of income taxes and good taxes. Here in Canada it is up to the middle class to pay the tab for both the lower income (no money to pay for) along with the rich (all kind of taxes exemptions and evasion), isn't that :cool:
One thing that would be definitely great is a CDN Polk direct or ebay store. We would still pay our taxes but not the abuse the carrier are charging, it would probably be night and days!
Cheers!
TK
Not entirely true TK. In New York, the upper 1% in the high wage category pays over 36% of the state taxes. That to me is totally unfare. The state is punishing one for making lots of money by taxing them more than the middle class. Don't get me wrong, the middle class having a much larger populus than the upper echelon is going to bear the brunt of taxes because of its shear numbers. -
hearingimpared wrote: »Just your free healthcare cost taxes alone could be the reason you guys have to pay such high prices for goods. Canada's minimum wage in almost double that of the US but then again, minimum wage is a joke here anyway.
Look at England's income taxes. They're something like 75% to cover all the social programs and free medical care!:eek:hearingimpared wrote: »Not entirely true TK. In New York, the upper 1% in the high wage category pays over 36% of the state taxes. That to me is totally unfare. The state is punishing one for making lots of money by taxing them more than the middle class. Don't get me wrong, the middle class having a much larger populus than the upper echelon is going to bear the brunt of taxes because of its shear numbers.
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Why? Is there something I am missing?
Those posts were not meant to inflame they are just my opinion.:) -
As pointed out in my earlier response, the good taxes has nothing to do with our health care since 45% of the income tax I pay is for the health care program. Not too sure where the goods taxes go?????????hearingimpared wrote: »Let me ask you this TK why is it that the wealthy Canadians as well as some of the politicians come here for their medical needs? From what I understand it might take months to get appointments with specialists up there because of the "national health care."
BTW do you think that all the costs Canadians incur such as the topic of this thread are due to having to pay for "right" to free medical care? Are your taxes rediculously high because of it?
Just curious.:)Should one ever get used ofbeing abused? Like you and everyone on this site (be US or CDN and other nationalities cytizen) I am looking for a fair price that is the best bang for the buck. I consider I am entitle to this just as much as you are, right? Oh another note for you, wanting to pay the fair price for the goods has nothing to do with age, except that maybe when you are older you see where the abuse is.
Health care is not free, that you got right. What you got wrong has got nothing to do with good taxes but rather income taxes which (is fresh in my mind since we have been through this on the news lately) believe it or not, our income taxes in QC are 45% of our income taxes. By the way, I never complaines about the goods taxes even if they are pretty efty (average 13% in Canada except for Quebec which is more likely 15%). What I get choked about is the so called duty and other $$ abusive $$ added while coming across the border. The example I gave you for the PSW505 which is 750$ in Canada while it is 250$ in the US. Look at the HitMaster I also gave as an example, it is 99$ MSRP at Polk and Frys offer a special at 69$ and it winds up being 185$ once it gets to my home. For you maybe there is nothing wrong with this but for us CDN, we definitely are NOT getting the BBB! Some extra dollars isn't too bad would swallow and shut up but I am not dum either. I gave a few examples of the other way around along with other CDNs giving some more example of that on way street. Just put your self in CDN shoes (they might not be as luxury as yours with the same cost)
I Joe, I know many do that but I also know that it doesn't always work. This could be costly not counting I never been too keen about being an outlaw. I am not even sure if I'd be able to lie at the frontier without being caught (never practiced much lying) Also, being appproximately 18 hours round trip from the closest US city will it really be worthwile the trouble?
If you actually buy in the US and bring it back your self you will not have to pay the duties and simply the usual PST & GST taxes, it that what your are saying? How can this be possible?
The post count was his, I was teasing him stating that he had no excuses and should know I never kid around :mad::rolleyes::(:phearingimpared wrote: »Um, think again on the post count TK.
BTW isn't being French Canadian the reason you are never kidding?:eek::D:p
Thus the reason in Canada to focus the concentration of taxes on the middle class since it brings more money anyway, clever isn't it?hearingimpared wrote: »Not entirely true TK. In New York, the upper 1% in the high wage category pays over 36% of the state taxes. That to me is totally unfare. The state is punishing one for making lots of money by taxing them more than the middle class. Don't get me wrong, the middle class having a much larger populus than the upper echelon is going to bear the brunt of taxes because of its shear numbers.
For one it may be looked at the mod level as politics? Or maybe not knowing how I would react to your posts I wouldhearingimpared wrote: »Why? Is there something I am missing?
Those posts were not meant to inflame they are just my opinion.:)
and then would get 
and maybe worse get :mad: and then tell you to 
LessisNevermore, don't worry as I pointed out I'm always :mad: so it can't get worse and I am not I hope you are not cause it would me and who knows maybe I then will get :mad:er
I know you never didKeiko Really! I don't care. pity on poor little me, at least burry us with Pies I'll check them out tomorrow, let's see if you can change my mood to this :D:cool:
TK out for the night DARE TO SOAR:
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As pointed out in my earlier response, the good taxes has nothing to do with our health care since 45% of the income tax I pay is for the health care program. Not too sure where the goods taxes go?????????
I guess "goods taxes" is like state sales tax here so I would think at least some of it would go health care but as you said and I paraphrase, "who knows!" Perhaps one of our other Canuck Polk brethren will know.For one it may be looked at the mod level as politics?
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My dad will always go across the boarder to buy his boat parts as they are much cheaper. He declares them drives to Kingston and works on the boat. Then drives back to Ottawa (home). The local UPS store owner told me, " next time you buy big goods from the USA, open up a PObox in the states and have it delivered there. Drive down and just pay taxes on it"
