Will polk ever bring out high end speakers

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  • cstmar01
    cstmar01 Posts: 4,424
    edited May 2010
    polkfarmboy wrote: »
    I would just love to see polk bring out a limited edition high end super speaker for about $10,000 that beats a $40.000 set

    As far as the market goes its all about HT now because thats where the demand therefore thats where the money to be made is

    If I say polk should tailor the lsi line of speakers for blurays then I mean they should be super heavy on the midrange and less concerned with bass because thats what subs are for

    They did that with the SRT system. I'm sure a lot of people would LOVE it if they brought something like that back, but I don't really foresee that happening due to cost/limited market for something like that again.
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  • Hawkeye
    Hawkeye Posts: 1,313
    edited May 2010
    PFB, if your looking for mid-range, Martin Logan is the ticket but you knew that right, PML?:D

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  • polkfarmboy
    polkfarmboy Posts: 5,703
    edited May 2010
    hawkeye wrote: »
    pfb, if your looking for mid-range, martin logan is the ticket but you knew that right, pml?:d

    gordon

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  • TECHNOKID
    TECHNOKID Posts: 4,298
    edited May 2010
    cnh wrote: »
    There is a WHITE PAPER available about the SDA affect. Anyone here can peruse the site..do a search and find this link.

    If we are to talk about that effect it might be prudent to actually read what its inventor said it does and how it actually works. From my own reading...and I am no expert, I think heiney9 has pretty much hit the nail of the head there.

    But please have a look.

    cnh
    Exactly! The white paper is actually my humble and limited knowledge of SDA (theory plus fiddling curiosity on my SB 42" to see what is is all about)
    mdaudioguy wrote: »
    So, then it seems to be an assumption held by many here that "high end Polks" should probably incorporate SDA technology. That's what I'm reading into all of this. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. Since SDA, in the implementation that many here are so fond of, implies a 2-channel (2 speaker) configuration (as opposed to the soundbar implementation), maybe therein lies the rub. In Polk's segment of the home audio market, there seems to be a great demand for 5, 7, 9, etc... channels. Why focus so much energy and limit oneself to selling just a pair of speakers, when consumers are clamoring for 5, 7, or 9? I'm not saying 2-channel is pass
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,468
    edited May 2010
    cstmar01 wrote: »
    They did that with the SRT system. I'm sure a lot of people would LOVE it if they brought something like that back, but I don't really foresee that happening due to cost/limited market for something like that again.

    Not to mention that you needed a room big enough to qualify for it's own Zip Code to set it up properly...
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited May 2010
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    Not to mention that you needed a room big enough to qualify for it's own Zip Code to set it up properly...
    Not at all.
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,468
    edited May 2010
    Really??? the Bozo's at Good Guys told me that I needed at least a 20x40 foot foom for the system to work it's best or I would have bought it. I "settled" for my first set of 1.2TL's instead.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,779
    edited May 2010
    polkfarmboy wrote: »
    You obviously dont keep up-to-date on bluray

    I watched akira and every channel was done in 192 k

    Maybe you should dust the cobwebs from your wallet and buy a bdp

    I'm talking about 2 channel music as I could care less about video or multi-channel music. So, what ya got in Blu-ray 2 channel music?

    That said, I will touch on the video aspect of things. I've always thought that a movie should stand on its story line and the acting. Sadly, these days those aspects seem to an afterthought to most of the film makers and the folks watching.
    As far as the market goes its all about HT now because thats where the demand therefore thats where the money to be made is

    As stated previously, some folks need to get out more.
    If I say polk should tailor the lsi line of speakers for blurays then I mean they should be super heavy on the midrange and less concerned with bass because thats what subs are for

    You have an unusual view of what makes for a good speaker. Subs? My speakers don't need no stinkin' sub. :D
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  • polkfarmboy
    polkfarmboy Posts: 5,703
    edited May 2010
    F1nut wrote: »
    I'm talking about 2 channel music as I could care less about video or multi-channel music. So, what ya got in Blu-ray 2 channel music?

    That said, I will touch on the video aspect of things. I've always thought that a movie should stand on its story line and the acting. Sadly, these days those aspects seem to an afterthought to most of the film makers and the folks watching.



    As stated previously, some folks need to get out more.



    You have an unusual view of what makes for a good speaker. Subs? My speakers don't need no stinkin' sub. :D

    Try renting that new movie tetro as I'm sure you would love it ... its filmed in black and white ;)

    For 2 ch bluray audio you should check out the music section on the bluray web site . There youl read reviews about exactly how the audio was mixed some live performances make great use of the mains while only using the surround for subtle ambience of the crowd etc...
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,779
    edited May 2010
    I stepped way to look for Blu-ray 2 channel music on some of my favorite online music stores, I found nothing.
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  • TECHNOKID
    TECHNOKID Posts: 4,298
    edited May 2010
    F1nut wrote: »
    I stepped way to look for Blu-ray 2 channel music on some of my favorite online music stores, I found nothing.
    PFB, that I know of there is NO such thing as BluRay music. The only thing BluRay does for the audio is processing signals related to your channels (effects) during movies and takes of lossless. However in music there is potential for HD audio but is somewhat rare as most CD players can not handle it that I know of. You can find info related by googling; http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=high%2Bdefinition%2Baudio%2Bmusic&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

    the below seems to provide some good explanation on the subject. I believe it even leads you to some of the rare sites that can provide HD audio: http://www.wired.com/listening_post/2007/09/musicgiants-a-h/
    don’t know of any digital audio player that can handle 24-bit audio, but some handle Apple Lossless or Windows Media Lossless files, which you can rip those yourself, but aren’t sold online by any of the major online outlets. A store called MusicGiants sells lossless and 24-bit digital albums, both of which offer more sonic resolution than what you’ll find on iTunes, iTunes Plus, Rhapsody, Napster, or other stores — available in some cases without DRM. However, the service only works with Windows XP or Vista, because the site requires IE and all songs come in a WMA 9 format of some kind, rendering it unsuitable for iPods and Apple computers.
    You have an unusual view of what makes for a good speaker. Subs? My speakers don't need no stinkin' sub.
    I do believe this is a genration gap-preference. Kids nowadays only swear by the external boom box which my self don't care much when it comes to music. Right or wrong there is nothing like a full range speaker for music thus the reason for me to keep my vintage speakers (nice full range with 15" driver at the bottom). Those put me in trouble about 20 years ago with the neighbor complaining about the bass crossing the concrete walls of the semi detached. I didn't need any external sub for my music then and defintely don't thing I need it today! However, when it comes to HT I love the external sub :D

    I am with PFB on the rise of the HT popularity as potential option for many users. Let's face it, most of the mass consumers are not audiophiles and therefore see as appealing a basic HT to play their music, games and to watch movies... even worse many will rely on the cheap HTIBs to provide for all of their audio needs :eek: However, 2 channels rigs are NOT passe, there will always be the niche for connaisseurs-audiophiles. A thrue audiophile will never care for an HT system to play an audition their music.

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  • headrott
    headrott Posts: 5,496
    edited May 2010
    F1nut wrote: »
    I stepped way to look for Blu-ray 2 channel music on some of my favorite online music stores, I found nothing.

    Jesse, actually there is the Niel Young Archive Box that is stereo 24-bit/192 kHz. Although I have not heard it, but would be interested in doing so. That is the ONLY one I know of that is stereo "Hi-Rez" though. I don't know that one release will classify Blu Ray as a Stereo "Hi-Rez" format though.;)

    Greg

    http://www.amazon.com/Neil-Young-Archives-Vol-1963-1972/dp/B001B8PV4U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1275115595&sr=8-1-spell
    Relayer-Big-O-Poster.jpg
    Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
    "I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion." :\
    My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,779
    edited May 2010
    Thanks Greg. I noted that it is all video based. "Over 120 music video tracks"

    I was just over at Hoffman's site and saw some folks saying that Neil Young was suppose to put out some Blu-ray music releases. However, they said it appears that it isn't going to happen now.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,779
    edited May 2010
    A forum member contacted me about DXD 24bit/352.8hz. How many of you have heard of it. How many have heard it?
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  • headrott
    headrott Posts: 5,496
    edited May 2010
    Ooops, sorry Jesse. I thought it was audio based stuff. Shows you what I know about it I guess.:o Should have read the "special features" section, not the "editorial reviews" section. Thanks for pointing that out. I am now less interested in hearing (seeing) it. And you are right, there are absolutley none.;)

    Greg
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    Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
    "I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion." :\
    My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....

    "Green leaves reveal the heart spoken Khatru"- Jon Anderson

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,779
    edited May 2010
    Don't sweat it. All this format stuff can give one a headache, ya know!?! :)
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,779
    edited May 2010
    I do believe this is a genration gap-preference. Kids nowadays only swear by the external boom box which my self don't care much when it comes to music.

    Oh, I definitely agree with you on that one. Does that make us old and out of touch.....LOL
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  • headrott
    headrott Posts: 5,496
    edited May 2010
    Yeah, actually I have one. Literally. It's probably because I only got 1 hour of sleep last night and have been awake for about 22 hours. My brain hurts.....


    Greg
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    Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
    "I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion." :\
    My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....

    "Green leaves reveal the heart spoken Khatru"- Jon Anderson

    "Have A Little Faith! And Everything You'll Face, Will Jump From Out Right On Into Place! Yeah! Take A Little Time! And Everything You'll Find, Will Move From Gloom Right On Into Shine!"- Arthur Lee
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,779
    edited May 2010
    And you just can't tear yourself away from CP, eh? That's hardcore. :D
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  • TECHNOKID
    TECHNOKID Posts: 4,298
    edited May 2010
    F1nut wrote: »
    Oh, I definitely agree with you on that one. Does that make us old and out of touch.....LOL
    I realize I am getting there (old) but I don't think I'm out of touch... if so, I prefer to "touchless and subless" ;)
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  • headrott
    headrott Posts: 5,496
    edited May 2010
    Right now is one of the FEW times I don't feel like hearing my Polk speakers. I think my head would explode if I turned on the tunes right now. The next closest thing to hearing them is talking about them, so here I am. (Oh, I guess I could sit and stare at my 3.1TL's, but I think that would be a little weird....:D)

    Greg
    Relayer-Big-O-Poster.jpg
    Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
    "I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion." :\
    My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....

    "Green leaves reveal the heart spoken Khatru"- Jon Anderson

    "Have A Little Faith! And Everything You'll Face, Will Jump From Out Right On Into Place! Yeah! Take A Little Time! And Everything You'll Find, Will Move From Gloom Right On Into Shine!"- Arthur Lee
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,136
    edited May 2010
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    Not to mention that you needed a room big enough to qualify for it's own Zip Code to set it up properly...

    Not true John. SRT's were set up at Al's Polkfest and I can tell you the room was very small and the SRT's kicked butt!
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  • mdaudioguy
    mdaudioguy Posts: 5,165
    edited May 2010
    headrott wrote: »
    Right now is one of the FEW times I don't feel like hearing my Polk speakers. I think my head would explode if I turned on the tunes right now. The next closest thing to hearing them is talking about them, so here I am. (Oh, I guess I could sit and stare at my 3.1TL's, but I think that would be a little weird....:D)

    Greg

    I've stared at audio gear before. I was too tired to turn the record over...
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  • mhmacw
    mhmacw Posts: 832
    edited May 2010
    very interesting indeed. a good portion of the whitepaper is in the manual for the 1c. aside form the sda surround explination. the lne that caught my attention the most was "sda effect using the minimul amount of loud speakers". that is exactly my view on the subject. i would never claim or assume to know more about sda or any other line of polk product than a guy with 15k posts. to have that much to say about a topic is telling me a person either eats or craps that specific topic and quite honestly i already have a live breath eat sleep hobby of my own. however by matt saying those words it bolsters my position.(in my eyes any way) an added channel and a capable processor could easily recreate the effect of sda without a design specific speaker. that channel could also double as the upper front in the theatre mode. side front would be more like it i suppose. interaural could be achieved then with 2 seperate speakers that in and of them selves are everday plug and play 2 way speakers. my analogy of the chip doing what the caps do was off a bit and i do get the purpose of the cap. sorry for the confusion i suppose saying a chip could do what the circuitry in the sda xo board does would be much more accurate. the foot in my mouth thing is cool with me as i really dont mind being the goat to extract all this info and knowledge...lay it on me man i ain't made of glass haha.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,217
    edited May 2010
    hearingimpared wrote: »
    Not true John. SRT's were set up at Al's Polkfest and I can tell you the room was very small and the SRT's kicked butt!

    True dat!
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,019
    edited May 2010
    hearingimpared wrote: »
    Not true John. SRT's were set up at Al's Polkfest and I can tell you the room was very small and the SRT's kicked butt!

    Maybe true Joe, but most people with smallish rooms,didn't want those monsters, then have to pull them out away from the wall. Unless you had a dedicated room just for that. Most people though,rooms are multi functional, and you have to admit,the SRT system was not shy on size. I've had mine in a 24 by 24 room, They still took up a good chunk of real estate in that room and made the room look that much smaller. Regardless, to each his own anyway.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited May 2010
    The original statement was that they "needed" a large room, which simply isn't true.
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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,794
    edited May 2010
    Kex wrote: »
    How did you end up with my hub cap?! :mad: Do you have the other missing one in your possession as well? :mad: Just send them back, please, and don't ever take them again!

    I'm sure this is partly Lightman's fault: I heard some suspicious rustling in the bushes a couple of weeks ago. Giggling too, BTW, which probably means you were there with him ...

    Yep.
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,346
    edited May 2010
    This thread has to be one of the better threads in a long time JMHHO.

    It also seems to me that most of us have taken our SDA's and made them a Special Edition in our own way. As far as the SRT's go man I would love to get my eyes and ears on them just once..
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,136
    edited May 2010
    TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »
    This thread has to be one of the better threads in a long time JMHHO.

    It also seems to me that most of us have taken our SDA's and made them a Special Edition in our own way. As far as the SRT's go man I would love to get my eyes and ears on them just once..

    You said a mouthful!
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