new integrated amp

marvda1marvda1 Posts: 3,131
edited July 26 in 2 Channel Audio
here is a new integrated amp that is getting some buzz on the forums. kind of peaking my interest.
http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews2/kinki/1.html

what do you think?

here's a review thread from audiogon.
https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/kinki-studio-ex-m1
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  • marvda1marvda1 Posts: 3,131
    that name may mean something totally different there.
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,248
    edited July 26
    And I'm pretty sure they know exactly what it means here/in other markets.

    Probably got inspiration from Schiit Audio when they were trying to come up with their company name! ;)
    marvda1 wrote: »
    that name may mean something totally different there.

    "What are you doing? Oh I'm just playing with my kinki schiit!"
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  • marvda1marvda1 Posts: 3,131
    I found kinki is a region of japan.
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 18,423
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    The front panel is making my eyes vibrate.
    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 18,423
    marvda1 wrote: »
    I found kinki is a region of japan.

    But the article says the company HQ is in Guangzhou which is profoundly not in Japan.
    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

    "Writing about hifi is like dancing about architecture" -- paraphrasing some wag (possibly Frank Zappa)
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,248
    Right, but they just really like that region in Japan, so they're paying homage to it by naming their company that.

    Definitely NOT a sexual reference.
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    But the article says the company HQ is in Guangzhou which is profoundly not in Japan.

    Got Dayens?
  • marvda1marvda1 Posts: 3,131
    well, I guess if we can buy Schiit and be happy we can get a little Kinki (kinky) >:)
    Amplifiers: MasterSound Compact 845, Ayre v6xe, Consonance Cyber 800, Usher R1.5
    Preamp: deHavilland Ultraverve 3
    Transport/Dac: Cayin Venus cd-100i, Musical Paradise mp-d2 mkI
    Speakers: Rosso Fiorentino Volterra
    Speaker Cables: Analysis Plus Black Mesh Oval 9, Cerious Technologies Graphene Extreme
    Interconnects: Analysis Plus Copper Oval-In Micro, MG Audio Design Planus Cu2,
    Cerious Technologies Graphene Extreme
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 18,423
    edited July 26
    Is there a nut missing on that heat sink on the (edit) left?

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    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

    "Writing about hifi is like dancing about architecture" -- paraphrasing some wag (possibly Frank Zappa)
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,248
    Are you referring to this?

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    Got Dayens?
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 18,423
    from page 5 of that review
    As to Terry's and TP's 'Swiss' sound, I too use this descriptor for the school of DC-coupled ultra-bandwidth amplifiers from CH Precision, Goldmund and Soulution. In our personal inventory, samples thereof are from Bakoon, Crayon and LinnenberG. Based on my review of it, Audiozen's integrated from Sicily belongs there as well.

    Ultra-bandwidth, eh?

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    PS the graphic blandishment on 6moon's site drives me nuts...
    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

    "Writing about hifi is like dancing about architecture" -- paraphrasing some wag (possibly Frank Zappa)
  • marvda1marvda1 Posts: 3,131
    edited July 26
    the review says 10 to 150,000 while the kinki site specs says 10 to 130,000 + or - 3db.
    looking at the graph, it's on page 2 and has a total, maybe they are showing the points where the response is 0 db + or -
    Post edited by marvda1 on
    Amplifiers: MasterSound Compact 845, Ayre v6xe, Consonance Cyber 800, Usher R1.5
    Preamp: deHavilland Ultraverve 3
    Transport/Dac: Cayin Venus cd-100i, Musical Paradise mp-d2 mkI
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  • mlistens03mlistens03 Posts: 1,412
    edited July 26
    I noticed the missing nut as well Doc, however I feel like that is something they would try really hard not to forget, especially on the model on their website page, so maybe there is some reason it isn’t there? Or maybe they just missed it. Lol
    (Edit) maybe the other one isn’t supposed to be there :wink:
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  • marvda1marvda1 Posts: 3,131
    edited July 26
    they might have rushed it through assembly to get the pictures posted before they did a full qc.
    Amplifiers: MasterSound Compact 845, Ayre v6xe, Consonance Cyber 800, Usher R1.5
    Preamp: deHavilland Ultraverve 3
    Transport/Dac: Cayin Venus cd-100i, Musical Paradise mp-d2 mkI
    Speakers: Rosso Fiorentino Volterra
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  • la2vegasla2vegas Posts: 2,634
    edited July 26
    marvda1 wrote: »
    they might have rushed it through assembly to get the pictures posted before they did a full qc.

    While that may be the case, a bad first impression due to sloppy workmanship is not a good way to enamour oneself to a rather critical community. As is the case with audio enthusiasts.
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 18,423
    edited July 26
    Good heat sinking is kind of important.

    The image in the 6moons review is also on Kinki's web page:
    https://www.kinki-studio.com/ex-m1

    I don't know what to think about the frequency response imbroglio. It'd be nice to see a third-party measurement of the frequency response curve(s) for a production amp.
    EDIT^2: OK, sorry, I see that the input sweep stopped at 35k. Don't know why, but that does explain the curve.

    EDIT: I must admit, I (in all seriousness) enjoyed the instruction manual's wry tone :)

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    https://s3.amazonaws.com/wix-anyfile/6ie2C9ZYSciPwbvUYPyW_EX-M1.pdf
    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

    "Writing about hifi is like dancing about architecture" -- paraphrasing some wag (possibly Frank Zappa)
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 18,423
    edited July 26
    marvda1 wrote: »
    well, I guess if we can buy Schiit and be happy we can get a little Kinki (kinky) >:)

    I'm surprised Vanilla's censor lets us get kinky.
    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

    "Writing about hifi is like dancing about architecture" -- paraphrasing some wag (possibly Frank Zappa)
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 18,423
    edited July 26
    Clipdat wrote: »
    Are you referring to this?

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    yup.
    Maybe the heat sink on the left has a threaded hole in it -- but that seems odd, too.
    A photo from the other side doesn't show any obvious difference between the two.

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    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

    "Writing about hifi is like dancing about architecture" -- paraphrasing some wag (possibly Frank Zappa)
  • marvda1marvda1 Posts: 3,131
    edited July 26
    I emailed the distributor the questions that were brought up here about the qc issue and the frequency response graph.

    you don't have to return it to Singapore for repair, they have the guy that makes Verrastar
    cables in the u.s. doing the repairs.
    Amplifiers: MasterSound Compact 845, Ayre v6xe, Consonance Cyber 800, Usher R1.5
    Preamp: deHavilland Ultraverve 3
    Transport/Dac: Cayin Venus cd-100i, Musical Paradise mp-d2 mkI
    Speakers: Rosso Fiorentino Volterra
    Speaker Cables: Analysis Plus Black Mesh Oval 9, Cerious Technologies Graphene Extreme
    Interconnects: Analysis Plus Copper Oval-In Micro, MG Audio Design Planus Cu2,
    Cerious Technologies Graphene Extreme
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  • marvda1marvda1 Posts: 3,131
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    Clipdat wrote: »
    Are you referring to this?

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    yup.
    Maybe the heat sink on the left has a threaded hole in it -- but that seems odd, too.
    A photo from the other side doesn't show any obvious difference between the two.

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    I don't know that much about hardware (screws), but those screws don't look like the ones that need nuts
    Amplifiers: MasterSound Compact 845, Ayre v6xe, Consonance Cyber 800, Usher R1.5
    Preamp: deHavilland Ultraverve 3
    Transport/Dac: Cayin Venus cd-100i, Musical Paradise mp-d2 mkI
    Speakers: Rosso Fiorentino Volterra
    Speaker Cables: Analysis Plus Black Mesh Oval 9, Cerious Technologies Graphene Extreme
    Interconnects: Analysis Plus Copper Oval-In Micro, MG Audio Design Planus Cu2,
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,248
    That front plate is the first thing I noticed, to be honest. Kindof a deal breaker. I wouldn't be able to live with that, to be honest.

    Isn't this thing approaching/around Dayens Ecstasy III integrated pricing? I'd be curious to hear how they compare.
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    The front panel is making my eyes vibrate.

    Got Dayens?
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 18,423
    edited July 26
    Is there any comment in the 6moons review about the load impedance?
    The published specs for the amplifier reference 8 ohms (only).

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    Looking at the screenshots, I am confused, again. Looks like they fed 2 VAC (RMS) @ 1kHz in. I am guessing the load's 8 ohm (resistive). I cannot comprehend that "Analog Input" screen... but the "Analyzer" screen looks like they measured output (295 watts) with only one channel driven(?)

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    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

    "Writing about hifi is like dancing about architecture" -- paraphrasing some wag (possibly Frank Zappa)
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 18,423
    Am I just naive of how Audiogon reviews work?
    There seems to be no mention of the source nor loudspeakers in the review at https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/kinki-studio-ex-m1

    Maybe this guy's components are well know @ Audiogon?
    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

    "Writing about hifi is like dancing about architecture" -- paraphrasing some wag (possibly Frank Zappa)
  • marvda1marvda1 Posts: 3,131
    edited July 26
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    Am I just naive of how Audiogon reviews work?
    There seems to be no mention of the source nor loudspeakers in the review at https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/kinki-studio-ex-m1

    Maybe this guy's components are well know @ Audiogon?

    this guy is not a professional reviewer, he had just purchased the amp and was giving his thoughts.
    Amplifiers: MasterSound Compact 845, Ayre v6xe, Consonance Cyber 800, Usher R1.5
    Preamp: deHavilland Ultraverve 3
    Transport/Dac: Cayin Venus cd-100i, Musical Paradise mp-d2 mkI
    Speakers: Rosso Fiorentino Volterra
    Speaker Cables: Analysis Plus Black Mesh Oval 9, Cerious Technologies Graphene Extreme
    Interconnects: Analysis Plus Copper Oval-In Micro, MG Audio Design Planus Cu2,
    Cerious Technologies Graphene Extreme
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  • marvda1marvda1 Posts: 3,131
    I already emailed him about the 4 and 2 ohm spec. he answered that the 4 ohm rating is 400 watts and that he would have to get with the manufacturer about if it is rated down to 2 ohms. have not heard back from him yet.
    Amplifiers: MasterSound Compact 845, Ayre v6xe, Consonance Cyber 800, Usher R1.5
    Preamp: deHavilland Ultraverve 3
    Transport/Dac: Cayin Venus cd-100i, Musical Paradise mp-d2 mkI
    Speakers: Rosso Fiorentino Volterra
    Speaker Cables: Analysis Plus Black Mesh Oval 9, Cerious Technologies Graphene Extreme
    Interconnects: Analysis Plus Copper Oval-In Micro, MG Audio Design Planus Cu2,
    Cerious Technologies Graphene Extreme
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  • marvda1marvda1 Posts: 3,131
    edited July 26
    I am not as much so worried about the missing screw just go read some of the stuff in the troubleshooting section.
    Amplifiers: MasterSound Compact 845, Ayre v6xe, Consonance Cyber 800, Usher R1.5
    Preamp: deHavilland Ultraverve 3
    Transport/Dac: Cayin Venus cd-100i, Musical Paradise mp-d2 mkI
    Speakers: Rosso Fiorentino Volterra
    Speaker Cables: Analysis Plus Black Mesh Oval 9, Cerious Technologies Graphene Extreme
    Interconnects: Analysis Plus Copper Oval-In Micro, MG Audio Design Planus Cu2,
    Cerious Technologies Graphene Extreme
    Power Cables by: Cullen Cables, 6sons Audio, Swiss Cables
  • maxwardmaxward Posts: 117
    Agree that the Audiogon guy is not a pro. However, Srajan Ebaen is and he does not hand out 6moons awards on a daily basis. It sounds like it could be a real bargain integrated amp. Not sure if I care for the faceplate either, but it probably doesn’t show fingerprints.
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  • marvda1marvda1 Posts: 3,131
    edited July 26
    reminds me of the mytek dacs.
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    Post edited by marvda1 on
    Amplifiers: MasterSound Compact 845, Ayre v6xe, Consonance Cyber 800, Usher R1.5
    Preamp: deHavilland Ultraverve 3
    Transport/Dac: Cayin Venus cd-100i, Musical Paradise mp-d2 mkI
    Speakers: Rosso Fiorentino Volterra
    Speaker Cables: Analysis Plus Black Mesh Oval 9, Cerious Technologies Graphene Extreme
    Interconnects: Analysis Plus Copper Oval-In Micro, MG Audio Design Planus Cu2,
    Cerious Technologies Graphene Extreme
    Power Cables by: Cullen Cables, 6sons Audio, Swiss Cables
  • marvda1marvda1 Posts: 3,131
    got some of the answers back. the heat sinks are screw- threaded, photos were taken while work was in progress.
    Amplifiers: MasterSound Compact 845, Ayre v6xe, Consonance Cyber 800, Usher R1.5
    Preamp: deHavilland Ultraverve 3
    Transport/Dac: Cayin Venus cd-100i, Musical Paradise mp-d2 mkI
    Speakers: Rosso Fiorentino Volterra
    Speaker Cables: Analysis Plus Black Mesh Oval 9, Cerious Technologies Graphene Extreme
    Interconnects: Analysis Plus Copper Oval-In Micro, MG Audio Design Planus Cu2,
    Cerious Technologies Graphene Extreme
    Power Cables by: Cullen Cables, 6sons Audio, Swiss Cables
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 18,423
    maxward wrote: »
    ...Not sure if I care for the faceplate either, but it probably doesn’t show fingerprints.

    Good point! :)

    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

    "Writing about hifi is like dancing about architecture" -- paraphrasing some wag (possibly Frank Zappa)
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