Pros and cons of multiple subwoofers

This has been discussed on a few threads here. I finally found an article that explains it well.
I'm using two in the bedroom stereo. In the living room home theater and also on my computer system.
All Polk!

http://hometheaterreview.com/the-pros-and-cons-of-multiple-subwoofers/
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  • marcpamjocemarcpamjoce Registered User Posts: 41
    wow, have you ever thought about upgrading your subs in your main HT room?
  • honestaquarianhonestaquarian Posts: 1,858
    These work just fine. Besides that they fit in my small room and if I wanted significantly better performance I would have to pay a LOT of money
  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 6,612
    Nothing new I've used two in my home theater from day one back in the pro logic days. Opposite corners front and back. I don't need any white pages to tell me already what I've experienced.
  • honestaquarianhonestaquarian Posts: 1,858
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    Nothing new I've used two in my home theater from day one back in the pro logic days. Opposite corners front and back. I don't need any white pages to tell me already what I've experienced.

    I agree
    However you are the choir that this stuff is preaching to. Most others, however do not either know or understand this stuff.
  • FTGVFTGV Posts: 3,500
    edited April 30
    This topic has been covered and debated to death the last number of years on numerous audio forums.The Harmon paper and later research by Geddes really got the ball rolling. The benefits of multi sub distributed bass is not just an HT thing. Done right "some" 2ch rigs can also benefit from the addition of a pair or more of good well integrated subwoofers. I am currently experimenting with a set up similar to this . http://jamesromeyn.com/old-pages/home-audio-gear/dsa-1-0-distributed-subwoofer-array-5-pieces-4k-usd/
    The results so far have been very encouraging.
  • JaybeezJaybeez Posts: 246
    I upgraded my AVR and was able to run 2 subs. I'll never go back to a single sub for HT.
  • marcpamjocemarcpamjoce Registered User Posts: 41
    edited May 11
    Please take no offense to this but polk subs are TERRIBLE. I use to own a psw505 years ago and upgraded to the svs pb12plus/2 and the difference was INSANE!! Fast forward to today and now i have a dual setup of JTR Cap 1400 and the difference of just one from the SVS is that same difference in improvement. And yet i still got duals :))))))))

    P.S. i too thought that the psw505 sounded very good at first cause i never heard a real sub. If you are a true HT audiophile, there is no business having a Polk sub. Heck, even the intro SVS, HSU that is the same cost as polk can stomp a mudhole in them with effortless ease.
  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 37,360
    edited May 11
    You're comparing a $250.00 sub to a $1400.00 sub and based on that one Polk sub you call all Polk subs terrible. Yeah, that's not helping your credibility much.

    Here's what Ed Mullen of SVS had to say about the PSW505.
    The PSW505 is an attractive subwoofer with excellent fit and finish. I liked how the Polk performed on most popular music; it easily handled low E on the bass guitar, kick drum, and tom strikes. In my mid-size home theater room, the Polk belted out respectable sound pressure, and breezed through most mid-bass movie passages, only falling short on the very deepest (below 30 Hz) material. Overall though, I think the PSW505 stacks up well against its intended competition at nationwide retail chain stores.

    Personally, I wouldn't go with less than the DSW Pro 660wi from Polk for HT use. It's far from terrible.
  • mikeyb128mikeyb128 Posts: 2,194
    The DSW series subs are awesome. In my mid 20's I ran dual PSW 505's and loved them, they did great for home theater in the room I had.

    My dual DSW Pro 500's on some sundudes were fantastic for home theater. And those were only the 200 watt versions.
  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 839
    I find the PSW505 to be one of the best budget subs out there. Decent bass for less than $200. It's way better in most cases than no sub. Friend's have them, in-laws have one. Coworker picked one up on New Egg last year for $149. When I am helping spend money on HT and they don't want to spend a lot the 505 is the go to sub. Does it compare to my VTF3, oh no, not at all.

    As for 2 subs if you have the room go for it. I wanted to go dual but wife said no... no place to put it.
  • marcpamjocemarcpamjoce Registered User Posts: 41
    edited May 12
    F1nut wrote: »
    You're comparing a $250.00 sub to a $1400.00 sub and based on that one Polk sub you call all Polk subs terrible. Yeah, that's not helping your credibility much.

    Here's what Ed Mullen of SVS had to say about the PSW505.
    The PSW505 is an attractive subwoofer with excellent fit and finish. I liked how the Polk performed on most popular music; it easily handled low E on the bass guitar, kick drum, and tom strikes. In my mid-size home theater room, the Polk belted out respectable sound pressure, and breezed through most mid-bass movie passages, only falling short on the very deepest (below 30 Hz) material. Overall though, I think the PSW505 stacks up well against its intended competition at nationwide retail chain stores.

    Personally, I wouldn't go with less than the DSW Pro 660wi from Polk for HT use. It's far from terrible.

    Read my last statement under "PS" you apparently missed that portion if you are talking credibility. Apparently you haven't heard a real sub and $1500 in this hobby is beans. I too thought the psw505 was awesome, but that sub can't even dig past 30hz on its own. But if you think that this is the best sub because Ed vouches for it than you will just have to miss out on sub 30hz content, which by the way brings movies to life. Sorry to hurt your feelings about polk subs but the truth hurts. Hows that for credibility?

    Oh, and by the way, i love polk towers, center, and surround so much that i actually have some, go figure....

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  • marcpamjocemarcpamjoce Registered User Posts: 41
    mrloren wrote: »
    I find the PSW505 to be one of the best budget subs out there. Decent bass for less than $200. It's way better in most cases than no sub. Friend's have them, in-laws have one. Coworker picked one up on New Egg last year for $149. When I am helping spend money on HT and they don't want to spend a lot the 505 is the go to sub. Does it compare to my VTF3, oh no, not at all.

    As for 2 subs if you have the room go for it. I wanted to go dual but wife said no... no place to put it.

    I totally agree w/ your statement being that the psw505 is the best $200 sub out there besides finding a used svs. But if you stretch your wallet to $499, then the gap widens substantially and you will hear things you have never came close to hearing when it comes to HT. I have heard and upgraded a few subs, and i'm just telling you that anything polk offers for subs is a complete joke. They will never compete w/ the big boy ID companies and will always fall flat in this area. How do i know this, cause i have experience and know what they sound like. Apparently F1 things i am grabbing at straws on this subject, be he has no idea what he is talking about.

  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 37,360
    edited May 12
    F1nut wrote: »
    You're comparing a $250.00 sub to a $1400.00 sub and based on that one Polk sub you call all Polk subs terrible. Yeah, that's not helping your credibility much.

    Here's what Ed Mullen of SVS had to say about the PSW505.
    The PSW505 is an attractive subwoofer with excellent fit and finish. I liked how the Polk performed on most popular music; it easily handled low E on the bass guitar, kick drum, and tom strikes. In my mid-size home theater room, the Polk belted out respectable sound pressure, and breezed through most mid-bass movie passages, only falling short on the very deepest (below 30 Hz) material. Overall though, I think the PSW505 stacks up well against its intended competition at nationwide retail chain stores.

    Personally, I wouldn't go with less than the DSW Pro 660wi from Polk for HT use. It's far from terrible.

    Read my last statement under "PS" you apparently missed that portion if you are talking credibility. Apparently you haven't heard a real sub and $1500 in this hobby is beans. I too thought the psw505 was awesome, but that sub can't even dig past 30hz on its own. But if you think that this is the best sub because Ed vouches for it than you will just have to miss out on sub 30hz content, which by the way brings movies to life. Sorry to hurt your feelings about polk subs but the truth hurts. Hows that for credibility?

    You have reading comprehension issues.

  • mikeyb128mikeyb128 Posts: 2,194
    mrloren wrote: »
    I find the PSW505 to be one of the best budget subs out there. Decent bass for less than $200. It's way better in most cases than no sub. Friend's have them, in-laws have one. Coworker picked one up on New Egg last year for $149. When I am helping spend money on HT and they don't want to spend a lot the 505 is the go to sub. Does it compare to my VTF3, oh no, not at all.

    As for 2 subs if you have the room go for it. I wanted to go dual but wife said no... no place to put it.

    I totally agree w/ your statement being that the psw505 is the best $200 sub out there besides finding a used svs. But if you stretch your wallet to $499, then the gap widens substantially and you will hear things you have never came close to hearing when it comes to HT. I have heard and upgraded a few subs, and i'm just telling you that anything polk offers for subs is a complete joke. They will never compete w/ the big boy ID companies and will always fall flat in this area. How do i know this, cause i have experience and know what they sound like. Apparently F1 things i am grabbing at straws on this subject, be he has no idea what he is talking about.

    Relax man.... you are comparing apples to oranges here. Most members here have as much experience as I am old.

    The F1's argument was for the money Polk subs aren't bad. And of course an ID sub will be better. Most people aren't ready to drop 1400 on a sub. You should see the looks I get when I say I payed 2G's each for my subs.
  • polrbehrpolrbehr Posts: 1,933
    Please take no offense to this but polk subs are TERRIBLE.

    If you are a true HT audiophile, there is no business having a Polk sub.

    Heck, even the intro SVS, HSU that is the same cost as polk can stomp a mudhole in them with effortless ease.

    and i'm just telling you that anything polk offers for subs is a complete joke.

    Why don't you tell us how you really feel about Polk subs? You left a few grenades
    on your belt. JHC :(

  • marcpamjocemarcpamjoce Registered User Posts: 41
    Why are you hung up on a 1400 dollar sub. Svs, hsu, rythmic, etc. has $500 dollar subs that stomp a mudhole in the almighty 505.
  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 37,360
    Why are you hung up on a 1400 dollar sub. Svs, hsu, rythmic, etc. has $500 dollar subs that stomp a mudhole in the almighty 505.

    Because that is the comparison you made. You're still comparing a $250.00 sub with a $500.00 sub......still apples and oranges.

    No one said the 505 was a great sub. What we are saying is it's not fair to state that all Polk subs are terrible based on your experience with the one entry level Polk sub you had.
  • codycatalistcodycatalist Posts: 1,015
    F1nut wrote: »
    Why are you hung up on a 1400 dollar sub. Svs, hsu, rythmic, etc. has $500 dollar subs that stomp a mudhole in the almighty 505.

    Because that is the comparison you made. You're still comparing a $250.00 sub with a $500.00 sub......still apples and oranges.

    No one said the 505 was a great sub. What we are saying is it's not fair to state that all Polk subs are terrible based on your experience with the one entry level Polk sub you had.

    ^^^

    I agree I think you read something wrong somewhere Marc (If that is your real name =P) because F1 never stated that the 505 is the best sub but he said for the money it is a great piece.

    I would hold myself back from saying he doesn't have enough experience.
  • codycatalistcodycatalist Posts: 1,015
    @honestaquarian Firstly is it funny that for the LONGEST time I thought your name was Honest Harlequin? Wow what a difference two seconds of concentration make.

    I had two subs in my set up previously and enjoyed it but it was more of a whatever I could put together system. Had a PSW110 and sold it to a friend (thought it sounded nice but it is a budget sub for a reason) then I found an 8inch Harman Kardon subwoofer which was alright.

    The only reason it is no in rotation is I found a Velodyne CHT-12 for $20 at my local thrift shop. Not everyone can get a HSU or SVS (Yes even the $500 models) and from what I hear the 505 is a great fit for that type of person. One who wants the best bass possible out of a $200 and below package.

    Tell me a better subwoofer for $200 @marcpamjoce

    You have a nice theater for sure but you seem to look down on anything that isn't up to snuff or what you consider a real subwoofer.

    Just curious what was the very first subwoofer you ever bought?
  • polrbehrpolrbehr Posts: 1,933
  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 839
    Why do I have a VTF 3? Because I like deep bass that I not only can hear but feel.

    When I help someone build a system first thing I ask is "what's the budget". And when I say a sub is going to be $400 for an HSU VTF1 I get that oh no look. So 505 it is. One of my many inlaws has all in-ceiling speakers, they use to have this junkie Earthquake sub. Now the have a 505 and love it. Look around for deals on the 505, I've seen them as low as $149 Fry's promo code. When someone is building a system for a grand 505 is a great choice.
    polrbehr wrote: »

    I bet my good ole STF2 could out slam any one of those subs.

    I went from a 9 year old VTF2 to a new VTF3-MK5 and man what a big difference that was. Someday I will get into the $1k+ subs but not today
  • polrbehrpolrbehr Posts: 1,933
    mrloren wrote: »
    Why do I have a VTF 3? Because I like deep bass that I not only can hear but feel.

    When I help someone build a system first thing I ask is "what's the budget". And when I say a sub is going to be $400 for an HSU VTF1 I get that oh no look. So 505 it is. One of my many inlaws has all in-ceiling speakers, they use to have this junkie Earthquake sub. Now the have a 505 and love it. Look around for deals on the 505, I've seen them as low as $149 Fry's promo code. When someone is building a system for a grand 505 is a great choice.
    polrbehr wrote: »

    I bet my good ole STF2 could out slam any one of those subs.

    I went from a 9 year old VTF2 to a new VTF3-MK5 and man what a big difference that was. Someday I will get into the $1k+ subs but not today

    Is that similar to a STFU B) ? I'll bet my 9 y.o. SVS could too, for the money I spent and when you consider you need a hand truck to get it in the house...

    I have not heard a 505, but no one was more surprised than I was when I felt what a DSW Pro 550 could put out, especially for its size. I'm not saying it's an end-game sub, but I can easily tell people they should consider them if they're in the market for one.


  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 839
    The STF2 is an older HSU sub http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/stf-2.html

    mine is 12 years old, I got it "B" stock and just had to replace the amp on it for $145. It is my first true sub. before that I had a Sony 12" that I still use at work.
  • marcpamjocemarcpamjoce Registered User Posts: 41
    @honestaquarian Firstly is it funny that for the LONGEST time I thought your name was Honest Harlequin? Wow what a difference two seconds of concentration make.

    I had two subs in my set up previously and enjoyed it but it was more of a whatever I could put together system. Had a PSW110 and sold it to a friend (thought it sounded nice but it is a budget sub for a reason) then I found an 8inch Harman Kardon subwoofer which was alright.

    The only reason it is no in rotation is I found a Velodyne CHT-12 for $20 at my local thrift shop. Not everyone can get a HSU or SVS (Yes even the $500 models) and from what I hear the 505 is a great fit for that type of person. One who wants the best bass possible out of a $200 and below package.

    Tell me a better subwoofer for $200 @marcpamjoce

    You have a nice theater for sure but you seem to look down on anything that isn't up to snuff or what you consider a real subwoofer.

    Just curious what was the very first subwoofer you ever bought?


    First sub was a psw505, It was a very potent sub and i was very proud to own one. AS i dove just abit deeper in this hobby, about 6 mo. of owning it, i then graduated to the svs pb12plus/2. At the time, i believe the SVS was around $1100. I too remember talking to Ed before i made the jump, and he convinced me to do the trial run for no cost and i could send it back for a refund if i wanted to. But let me tell you, this sub completely brought my room to life (i had all this in another house in a great room) and i was experiencing a whole new system completely. Since, i moved and built a dedicated room w/the 2 JTRs and again, the improvement was another few notches up the chain. I think the 505 has its niche as a cost conscientious sub and for the value under $200, its hard to beat. What i am saying if you start looking at the intro subs from some of these pure sub mfg. (starting from $4-500) the output is just about 3-4 of the 505s. Its all about $1/db in the sub realm and the 505 just doesn't cut the mustard for pure HT audiophiles.
  • hochpt21hochpt21 Posts: 4,670
    Reading this thread title, I thought maybe we were talking about a Roger Waters album. :D
  • spazmospazmo Posts: 14
    I only need one,my Sunfire 12" does just fine.
  • mrbigbluelightmrbigbluelight Posts: 7,039
    Well, I guess svs pb12plus/2 would suffice for watching cartoons and such, but I'd recommend quad Funk Audio 21.0L's at a minimum if one is truly interested in an adequate HT experience.



  • marcpamjocemarcpamjoce Registered User Posts: 41
    edited May 13
    Well, I guess svs pb12plus/2 would suffice for watching cartoons and such, but I'd recommend quad Funk Audio 21.0L's at a minimum if one is truly interested in an adequate HT experience.



    Now 4x) 21.0 would be insane. Are you running those quads or are you speculating? You would need alot of sealed subs to dictate the output of lets say a JTR 4000 or the new PSA V3601, or heck even the new 18" Rythmik. Sealed subs are not any good for HT applications, IMHO. Anywhere around the port tune would spank the sealed subs and in order to introduce sealed subs into a Home Theater, you would NEED room gain to compensate. I have heard both applications and sealed subs don't cut it unless you are a 2 channel audiophile.
  • mrbigbluelightmrbigbluelight Posts: 7,039
    I run those in my bedroom.
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