Ampex 351-2 restoration project

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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 14,820
    In my experience, and FWIW, I don't routinely run into wire problems until the units date back to the 40s or 30s... although old rubber-insulated power cords definitely don't hold up well!
    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

  • What are the different coatings that have been used to insulate wire? Is there a timeline of insulator by date or are there types that should be replaced regardless?

    I am looking for an old radio to restore for out in the shop. Knowing more about the wiring I am looking at would be a good thing. Thanks
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 14,820
    I dunno -- varnish, cloth, varnished cloth :-P rubber and PVC plastic were all used; other things, too, I wouldn't wonder. In some cases, no insulation at all in the early days of radio.

    Wire wrap wire is Kynar insulated (and don't ask me what Kynar is -- some sort of synthetic polymer).
    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 14,820
    edited November 2015
    a feeble attempt to keep this thread visible in "recent posts" :-)

    Let's see what I can find in the vaults...

    21150737076_a7d55a3b5d_b.jpgScan0010 by Mark Hardy, on Flickr

    oh, oh, this, too -- speaking of the 1970s Philips consumer decks, which Gordon Miller sold -- but apparently didn't put in their catalog on the reel to reel page.

    11946885093_16da526ac2_b.jpgphilbro1 (1) by Mark Hardy, on Flickr 11947434296_25478674e7_b.jpgphilbro2 (1) by Mark Hardy, on Flickr

    10174119815_a2f57af66c_b.jpgsmall%20Scotch%20201 by Mark Hardy, on Flickr
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 14,820
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  • NightfallNightfall Posts: 6,948
    Wait. Philips ad. Our speakers are priced from less than $120 each to over $1,000. There was a $2,000 pair of Philips speakers? What? I want to see them.
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 14,820
    It was probably the active, triamped ones -- that's another thread, though ;- )
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 14,820
    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

  • KennethSwaugerKennethSwauger Moderator Posts: 5,985
    edited February 2016
    Eureka! It's alive!
    First time for actual tape transport operation and everything works! I've cleaned and replaced capacitors in the transport control box, replaced the main cables and cleaned the three relays and motor tension adjust resistors. I've cleaned and replaced the transport control buttons (went with the older brass buttons) had the rubber pinch roller replaced and connected the AC power and it works. Motors spin, pinch roller arm activates, safety arm functions, it rewinds and fast forwards.
    Now I have to calibrate the supply and take up tension, I have a digital bicycle scale on order. Then I have to begin on the head-stack.mr79jc5l1ek4.jpg
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 14,820
    wow. definitely a labor of love.
    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

  • KennethSwaugerKennethSwauger Moderator Posts: 5,985
    Here are a few more photos that might be interesting. The first shows one of the vacuum tube record and playback electronics sections. This one has the main AC connections for the transport.0oxxse6bn24v.jpg
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  • KennethSwaugerKennethSwauger Moderator Posts: 5,985
    This is another photo of the same component, but from a different angle.hfzzopoawmvf.jpg
    "Passion is inversely proportional to the amount of real information available", G. Benfield
  • KennethSwaugerKennethSwauger Moderator Posts: 5,985
    This one shows the front of the transport, only the top half is the Ampex. You can see the safety on/off switch on the right. If the tape breaks during play or rewind or fast forward this arm comes down and stops the transport. The left side is a really well made tension flywheel, very low friction and works to smooth out tape motion and provide precise wrapping of the tape over the heads. The area in the middle is where the head stack will be mounted.hiof4ovgl531.jpg
    "Passion is inversely proportional to the amount of real information available", G. Benfield
  • KennethSwaugerKennethSwauger Moderator Posts: 5,985
    Over the years I've accumulated lots of duplicate parts, now the supply has really dried up. This shows the two head stacks I have collected. One is NOS with high performance record and playback heads. Ampex built their own cables to run from the heads to the electronics assemblies. They are heavily shielded and ultra low capacitance, probably made a good general audio cable.tgqu20brkab7.jpg
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  • KennethSwaugerKennethSwauger Moderator Posts: 5,985
    Wow, I can't believe it's been a year since I've updated this thread. Progress has been good and I'm seeing a small, fuzzy light at the end of the tunnel. The 351 transport has been working like a charm, it has become the smoothest operating and quietest transport I have. A pleasure to use. The signal from the heads are being amplified by the Dehavilland for listening while I finish the two Ampex playback amps.
    I've completed all six of the circuit boards, completely removed and replaced every component and polished the metal bits (photos to follow). I had the two chassis stripped and powder coated and the printing etched and filled for the back panels (photos to follow). The two AC transformers were taken apart and the bell housings stripped and powder coated, new fish paper installed and the transformer laminations painted.
    I've kind of created a game with myself, trying to find as many NOS replacement parts for the Amphenol connections on the rear panel. I keep researching the old part numbers found on the grimy part and see if there are any sources for them. I'm kind of hitting bottom on the selenium rectifier and trim potentiometers, but I keep searching.ap3xp6slhdew.jpg
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  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 7,530
    Man Ken that's some serious restoration!! Definitely some large man hours in this piece.
  • KennethSwaugerKennethSwauger Moderator Posts: 5,985
    edited February 23
    As promised here are some photos of the power supply, record and playback circuit boards for the 351.x4dwaxnvxmng.jpg
    In order to thoroughly clean the circuit boards I had to remove everything from the boards and then put them in an ultrasonic cleaner which did a great job. It got rid of decades of stains and grime. I replaced each of the resistors and capacitors with components that I felt would maintain the original sound character but eliminate some of the possible grain and noise. I've kept all of the removed parts so I could go back and check values if necessary. I tried to remove as much of the old tin-heavy solder from the signal traces and reapplied new solder. I was able to find NOS of the trim capacitors and replaced all the jumpers with Wonder Wire and Teflon sleeves. New tube sockets were needed.
    I have a third amplifier that I've kept stock so I can compare everything when I put it all back together.
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  • KennethSwaugerKennethSwauger Moderator Posts: 5,985
    Thanks, pitdogg2!
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 14,820
    so pretty... nice photos, too.
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  • KennethSwaugerKennethSwauger Moderator Posts: 5,985
    Thanks, Mark, I'll post some more when I get the roll developed (just kidding).
    "Passion is inversely proportional to the amount of real information available", G. Benfield
  • vmaxervmaxer Posts: 3,987
    Thanks, Mark, I'll post some more when I get the roll developed (just kidding).

    At least use this:



    Pio Elete Pro 520
    Panamax 5400-EX
    Sunfire TGP 5
    Micro Seiki DD-40 - Lyra-Dorian and Denon DL-160
    PS Audio GCPH phono pre
    Sunfire CG 200 X 5
    Sunfire CG Sig 405 X 5
    OPPO BDP-83 SE
    SDA SRS 1.2TL Sonicaps and Mills
    Ctr CS1000p
    Sur - FX1000 x 4
    SUB - SVS PB2-Plus

    Workkout room:
    Sony Bravia XBR- 32-Inch 1080p
    Onkyo TX-DS898
    GFA 555
    Yamaha DVD-S1800BL/SACD
    Ft - SDA 1C

    Not being used:
    RTi 38's -4
    RT55i's - 2
    RT25i's -2, using other 2 in shop
    LSI 15's
    CSi40
    PSW 404
  • KennethSwaugerKennethSwauger Moderator Posts: 5,985
    "It gives you such nice bright colors!"
    "Passion is inversely proportional to the amount of real information available", G. Benfield
  • vmaxervmaxer Posts: 3,987
    I probably have some around here somewhere??
    Pio Elete Pro 520
    Panamax 5400-EX
    Sunfire TGP 5
    Micro Seiki DD-40 - Lyra-Dorian and Denon DL-160
    PS Audio GCPH phono pre
    Sunfire CG 200 X 5
    Sunfire CG Sig 405 X 5
    OPPO BDP-83 SE
    SDA SRS 1.2TL Sonicaps and Mills
    Ctr CS1000p
    Sur - FX1000 x 4
    SUB - SVS PB2-Plus

    Workkout room:
    Sony Bravia XBR- 32-Inch 1080p
    Onkyo TX-DS898
    GFA 555
    Yamaha DVD-S1800BL/SACD
    Ft - SDA 1C

    Not being used:
    RTi 38's -4
    RT55i's - 2
    RT25i's -2, using other 2 in shop
    LSI 15's
    CSi40
    PSW 404
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 14,820
    We still pull out a roll o' film here now & again.

    23413683681_5d553b3d23_b.jpgshelfies1 120315 by Mark Hardy, on Flickr

    actual film (good ol' TX-135)

    16335206515_34ee5dc1bd_b.jpg34210033 by Mark Hardy, on Flickr
    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

  • KennethSwaugerKennethSwauger Moderator Posts: 5,985
    I love my Nikon film camera and still have some film in the fridge.
    "Passion is inversely proportional to the amount of real information available", G. Benfield
  • Yep2Yep2 Posts: 760
    Beautiful work Ken...
    Alot of research hours invested in that project.

  • vmaxervmaxer Posts: 3,987
    edited February 23
    Me too, not sure it's still good. I have an old Canon ftb and a Nikon F5.
    Pio Elete Pro 520
    Panamax 5400-EX
    Sunfire TGP 5
    Micro Seiki DD-40 - Lyra-Dorian and Denon DL-160
    PS Audio GCPH phono pre
    Sunfire CG 200 X 5
    Sunfire CG Sig 405 X 5
    OPPO BDP-83 SE
    SDA SRS 1.2TL Sonicaps and Mills
    Ctr CS1000p
    Sur - FX1000 x 4
    SUB - SVS PB2-Plus

    Workkout room:
    Sony Bravia XBR- 32-Inch 1080p
    Onkyo TX-DS898
    GFA 555
    Yamaha DVD-S1800BL/SACD
    Ft - SDA 1C

    Not being used:
    RTi 38's -4
    RT55i's - 2
    RT25i's -2, using other 2 in shop
    LSI 15's
    CSi40
    PSW 404
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 14,820
    edited February 23
    I love my Nikon film camera and still have some film in the fridge.

    We're a Nikon shop here, too (mostly) -- my son, who lives in VA, is the serious photographer, though. Some of the cameras and lenses at my house are, in fact, his (but that's another story altogether).

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    (from his college days -- note the Frank Zappa tee-shirt subject matter, which is on topic for this thread, sort of!)

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    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

  • ken brydsonken brydson Posts: 6,472
    Thanks, Mark, I'll post some more when I get the roll developed (just kidding).

    On your way home from returning those video tapes, right?
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  • vmaxervmaxer Posts: 3,987
    Thanks, Mark, I'll post some more when I get the roll developed (just kidding).

    On your way home from returning those video tapes, right?

    Be kind, rewind B)
    Pio Elete Pro 520
    Panamax 5400-EX
    Sunfire TGP 5
    Micro Seiki DD-40 - Lyra-Dorian and Denon DL-160
    PS Audio GCPH phono pre
    Sunfire CG 200 X 5
    Sunfire CG Sig 405 X 5
    OPPO BDP-83 SE
    SDA SRS 1.2TL Sonicaps and Mills
    Ctr CS1000p
    Sur - FX1000 x 4
    SUB - SVS PB2-Plus

    Workkout room:
    Sony Bravia XBR- 32-Inch 1080p
    Onkyo TX-DS898
    GFA 555
    Yamaha DVD-S1800BL/SACD
    Ft - SDA 1C

    Not being used:
    RTi 38's -4
    RT55i's - 2
    RT25i's -2, using other 2 in shop
    LSI 15's
    CSi40
    PSW 404
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