The Sony ES Line "Elevated Standard"

snow wrote: »

The truth hurts doesnt it



REGARDS SNOW

Not when it comes from Joe the Plumber.

LOL

A little history concerning my involvement with sony and sony ES products. My very first receiver was a sony that I bought for $35.00 from a neighbor coupled with a pair of Bose 401's. After it let out the magic smoke I went looking for a newer and better model, at my local audio store they sold sony polk and MB quart.

I wound up getting a Sony DA5ES receiver it is a great receiver for the money and utilized high quality components. Sharc DAC'S. Nichicon Black Gold caps. Sanken output transistors etc. When the next batch of ES receivers hit my local store I went to audition them and was very dissapointed, they had went to digital and they sounded like crap the distortion was so bad it was unlistenable. I think this was the DA-5000 and 7000 series. Later on I heard they had greatly improved the sound of the later models but I didndt get a chance to hear those.

One day some time later after Listening to how music sounded in 2 channel with seperates I decided that was what my next move was and havent looked back since.

There is nothing wrong with owning a Sony ES receiver. amp SACD player etc Like all companies some of there products shine others dont. If this is all someone can afford or is happy with fine nothing wrong with that.

But if you truly want high quality audio or video reproduction you need to look at seperates. Obviously XRJ you havent been able to figure that out even with help from the fine folks like shack Jesse Doro because you know it all allready.



REGARDS SNOW

XJRGUY wrote: »

Cite in any of my replies here where I disputed the above in any way.

I run separates and have been for a while you dipstick.

And the OP NEVER mentioned separates but did mention he was on a budget. Again, did you READ the thread, or for that matter the FIRST POST?

:rolleyes:

Oh really what might those be? It appears to me from post # 20 that

I recently retired my 777ES to bedroom duty after replacing it with an even more rare and high spec unit, the STR-DA9000ES which was released with a $4500 price tag a couple years ago and was top of any receiver heap for a long long time.

Even though the STR-DA9000ES is a fine receiver it is a receiver.

Yes I read the first post and even on a budget he and you both could do better than receivers with the same $$ value in seperates. He asked for experiences with ES receivers I posted what mine was and reccomended seperates it's good advice :rolleyes:


Also whats up with all the childish name calling? Have I called you any pet names?

Personally I think you should go back to your playground you obviously cant hang with the big dogs here.



SNOW

XJRGUY wrote: »

SNOW SAID - Oh really what might those be? It appears to me from post # 20 that Even though the STR-DA9000ES is a fine receiver it is a receiver.

Again Captain Obvious to the rescue. I run outboard amps using the DA9KES as the pre amp.

SNOW SAID - Yes I read the first post and even on a budget he and you both could do better than receivers with the same $$ value in seperates. He asked for experiences with ES receivers I posted what mine was and reccomended seperates it's good advice :rolleyes:

Again, real slow....I RUN the receiver as a PREAMP WITH SEPARATE AMPS!


SNOW SAID- Also whats up with all the childish name calling? Have I called you any pet names?

My tone is in direct reply to your ignorant replies directed towards me

SNOW SAID - Personally I think you should go back to your playground you obviously cant hang with the big dogs here.

Personally I think you should learn how to spell, quit assuming complete strangers don't know about the value of "seperates" :rolleyes:, and stop attempting to tell me what to do or where to go. I think it's time for the "big dogs" (did you really just type that earlier? LOL, big dogs..hahaha) to be put on a leash.

I hate to break this to you since you know it all but a receiver as a preamp is not seperates irregardless of whether you have separate amps hooked up to the pre outs. :rolleyes:

I am not telling you to do anything, I am only suggesting that you quit acting like a 15 year old Butt munch and you just might learn something

But I doubt it :rolleyes:



SNOW

snow wrote: »

I hate to break this to you since you know it all but a receiver as a preamp is not seperates irregardless of whether you have separate amps hooked up to the pre outs. :rolleyes:

According to who? You and the big dog crew? What exactly is a receiver when the built in amps are disabled? It's a big fat pre amp. :rolleyes:

Here educate yourself with the wiki link below on what a "preamp" is and you will see that the way I am using the DA9000ES meets that definition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preamplifier

I am not telling you to do anything, I am only suggesting that you quit acting like a 15 year old Butt munch and you just might learn something

But I doubt it :rolleyes:

Pot meet kettle......you should start research your replies before you hit send to save you from looking foolish. butt munch? LOL :rolleyes:

SNOW

See above in red for my reply.

Ok here goes one more time real slow so even you may be able to get it.

Seperates are exactly that they dont share the same box with other components. Seperates would be a tuner, amp/s, preamp, CD player etc.

I cant believe you actually went to wikki to prove that your preamp section in your receiver is considered to be a seperate component

Even though you can use the preamp section in your receiver as a preamp it is (not) a seperate component. No matter how nice it is it will not out perform carefully chosen seperates of the same dollar value.

If you are happy with the sound and performance of your receiver, amps and source good on you enjoy to your hearts content. Most people would be estatic to own the gear you do. But please dont come in here acting like your Sony ES receiver and amps are the best things in audio it simply aint true.



REGARDS SNOW

BlueFox wrote: »

Not to get involved in this “intelligent” discussion, but the propensity of some on this forum to quibble over semantic hairs is annoying and tiresome.

You dont have to read my posts if you dont like simply put me on ignore



REGARDS SNOW

snow wrote: »

Ok here goes one more time real slow so even you may be able to get it.

Seperates are exactly that they dont share the same box with other components. Seperates would be a tuner, amp/s, preamp, CD player etc.

LOL, whatever. How far do you want to take this argument? Again for the sake of the scenario, the capacity I am using the DA9000ES is as a SEPARATE PREAMP. I PHYSICALLY have the built in amplifiers completely removed from the signal path. They are TURNED OFF. The power relay in the unit is not energized AT ALL since I disabled the amps via the front panel. Sony doesn't make a modern preamplifier. Are you familiar with this unit at all or have any idea on how it works? I already provided the "definition" of a preamplifier. Am I supposed to believe you over a cited, agreed upon definition of what a preamplifier is?" Remember I am NOT using the RECEIVER in a traditional sense.

Even though you can use the preamp section in your receiver it is (not) a seperate component. No matter how nice it is it will not out perform carefully chosen seperates of the same dollar value.

Did you see the picture I posted? Do you see the three monolithic black pieces of equipment in the rack? Those are amplifiers, and SEPARATE from the processor. Check out this link here at Polkforum and you will see people who have used receivers as preamps and have found models superior to dedicated preamp units. I also think your claim of a receiver used as a preamp not being able to outperform similar priced components as a ludicrous claim. Please back this up with credible citations and not your biased opinion.

Here is the link on separate vs. receivers here on Polk as an example of people here with real world experience on

https://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52851

If you are happy with the sound and performance of your receiver, amps and source good on you enjoy to your hearts content. Most people would be estatic to own the gear you do. But please dont come in here acting like your Sony ES receiver and amps are the best things in audio it simply aint true.

Finally something we can agree on!


REGARDS SNOW

See my posts above in red for reply

Did you see the picture I posted? Do you see the three monolithic black pieces of equipment in the rack? Those are amplifiers, and SEPARATE from the processor. Check out this link here at Polkforum and you will see people who have used receivers as preamps and have found models superior to dedicated preamp units. I also think your claim of a receiver used as a preamp not being able to outperform similar priced components as a ludicrous claim. Please back this up with credible citations and not your biased opinion

Yes I seen your pic and yes they are seperate from the proccesor. Does that make the preamp section in your receiver a seperate preamp?

No

Yes I am certain that your Sony ES receiver is better than some seperates are.

As for you not believing me regarding carefully chosen seperates outperforming a receiver of the same dollar value your choice.

Refer to the with your mouth open and you ears closed quote it applies here.

No I have no need to back up my statement regarding this with credible citations as you say.

Virtually anyone who has been around audio gear know this to be a fact not a theory. Try it sometime you will find yourself shocked at how much better it really is.

To make a statement like yours, is not only misinformation, but plain ignorant. Par for the course based on your previous replies!

Once again your alligator mouth over loads your canary a$$hole

REGARDS SNOW

snow wrote: »

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Once again your alligator mouth over loads your canary a$$hole

REGARDS SNOW

Nice edit.

The "big dogs" can't seem to let each other stand up for themselves. LOL

You quoted my reply to F1Nut.

I guess this makes you the official F1 Nut Swinger or would you be his little lap dog? :rolleyes:

To quote you from before..."the truth hurts, doesn't it?" ha ha ha.

XJRGUY wrote: »

We can go back and forth forever on what is considered a preamp and what isn't based on how I am using my equipment. You aren't going to change my mind on HOW MY UNIT is acting as the preamp in my system.

As for my choice about not believing you about your claims (and now F1Nuts outrageous claims) that is my right, but again you're basing your statements on OPINIONS and not facts. What data do you have to back up what you say? Absolutely nothing and your failure to produce anything to back up your claims makes them absolutely anecdotal, without question. Does that make sense to you?

Remember I am NOT the one who came in here making outrageous claims about "equipment A sounds better than equipment B" based on the past few replies.

Virtually anyone who has been around audio gear knows that making baseless statements about what sounds better is completely subjective.

However, making statements WITH data to back it up is usually accepted as fact, something you and your F1buddy seem to be lacking.

Again, show me UNBIASED, COMPLETE tests and data that show me that a dedicated preamplifier creates a "huge difference in sound quality" vs. a similar priced receiver acting as a preamp with the SAME amplifier/source material/cables as the preamp in the blind listening tests.

Otherwise you and the other guy (F1) are full of **** (and yourselves for that matter)

Ok the same applies to you then prove that your receiver is as good or better than

You cant and you know it. it's all posturing now lol.

I can and you know it too lol.



REGARDS SNOW

F1nut wrote: »

There is a huge difference in sound quality between the pre amp section of an AVR, any AVR verses that of a dedicated pre amp, any dedicated pre amp. To think otherwise is uninformed. Heck, just one of my pre amps cost more than that entire DA9000ES. I'm just saying.

Who's the "braggart" now? You ignorant hypocrite.

snow wrote: »

Lmaooooo I quoted your reply to Jesse because of how childlike it was.

Awwww ur lil feelings are hurt im sowwy


Does that make it all better?



SNOW

Childlike? Look who's talking...

ben62670 wrote: »

These guys know what they are talking about. Sit back and learn from them. Both have been through more gear than I have had the opportunity to even listen too. I have fund over my short time reviews are misleading to say the least.
Ben

The only knowledge they appear to demonstrate is spewing opinionated banter.

So based on your logic the reviews about the so called HUGE increase in sound quality should be discounted?

What is it guys? Show me the proof that a pre pro is so much better based on the criteria I mentioned earlier.

You talk the talk now walk the walk.

F1nut wrote: »

Heck, just one of my pre amps cost more than that entire DA9000ES. I'm just saying.

Sounds like post 105 by Face, “My woofer is larger than yours.”, is appropriate here.