The Sony ES Line "Elevated Standard"
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LOL.....thanks for proving my point, again!
Hint: If you stop digging the hole you're in, it won't get any deeper.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
LOL.....thanks for proving my point, again!
Hint: If you stop digging the hole you're in, it won't get any deeper.
What point is that?
The fact that:
A. you assumed I didn't own what I claim I own.
B. you assume again that the car engine picture I posted on a completely UNRELATED thread belongs to me. (now you are trolling my other posts desperately looking for a way to discredit me, laughable)
By the way, the view from under your skin is just marvelous!
How old are you, 12? -
Feel free to flail again with a response and believe me I don't lose sleep about you or anyone else doubting what I own or claim to own.
XJRGUY. Dont pay any attention to that prolific posting Internet know-it-all. Its interesting how when he/she/it enters a thread it quickly degenerates.
For 99.99% of the population, any audio/video system over $9,999 qualifies as a high 5 figure system. The point is, other than a couple of petty doofuses , people understand the point you are trying to make.
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XJRGUY. Dont pay any attention to that prolific posting Internet know-it-all. Its interesting how when he/she/it enters a thread it quickly degenerates.
For 99.99% of the population, any audio/video system over $9,999 qualifies as a high 5 figure system. The point is, other than a couple of petty doofuses , people understand the point you are trying to make.
Have a great New Year, and keep adding to the equipment.
Blue,
Thank you very much and I appreciate your comments and the fact that you and others got the true meaning of my messages.
Happy New year to you and yours too! -
BlueFox wrote:For 99.99% of the population, any audio/video system over $9,999 qualifies as a high 5 figure system.
I take it math wasn't your stong subject in school...:rolleyes:"Just because youre offended doesnt mean youre right." - Ricky Gervais
"For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible." - Stuart Chase
"Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago." - Bernard Berenson -
I take it math wasn't your stong subject in school...:rolleyes:
I take it you flunked out of "Charm School" :rolleyes:
In before the apparent regular "*** swing brigade" gets the thread closed again due to not swaying the argument in their favor.
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Simple, too simple perhaps for you to grasp. You are a braggart at the least and a liar at the worst.What point is that?
No assumption about it, you don't.The fact that:
A. you assumed I didn't own what I claim I own.
I don't need to look at any of your other posts to discredit you. You've done a fine job of that all on your own.B. you assume again that the car engine picture I posted on a completely UNRELATED thread belongs to me. (now you are trolling my other posts desperately looking for a way to discredit me, laughable)
And that coming from the one who keeps digging his own hole trying to defend a defenseless position. Hilarious!By the way, the view from under your skin is just marvelous!How old are you, 12?
Always the last act of a desperate person with a big 'ol bag of nothing. Rock on with your bad self. Hey, maybe you and blueboy can get a room tonight.
In closing, I've proven my point, you haven't. Therefore, my original comment stands with merit. Thanks for playing, but I'm bored with you now, so goodbye and good luck.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
Simple, too simple perhaps for you to grasp. You are a braggart at the least and a liar at the worst.
I highly doubt you'd be so inclined to say that if I (or anyone else this comment was directed to) was standing in front of you. Since you can't articulate yourself I accept your concession of having no point at all.
No assumption about it, you don't.
Again a repetitive, ignorant accusation that doesn't hold water
I don't need to look at any of your other posts to discredit you. You've done a fine job of that all on your own.
The fact you brought up a picture I posted about a car engine into the discussion proves you trolled my unrelated, recent posts.
And that coming from the one who keeps digging his own hole trying to defend a defenseless position. Hilarious!
What hole do you claim I am in? Your posturing is amusing at best.
Always the last act of a desperate person with a big 'ol bag of nothing. Rock on with your bad self. Hey, maybe you and blueboy can get a room tonight.
Hypocritical considering your response. Your feeble and homophobic overtones are disgusting.
In closing, I've proven my point, you haven't. Therefore, my original comment stands with merit. Thanks for playing, but I'm bored with you now, so goodbye and good luck.
In response, the only point you've proven is that you are an ignorant child, who makes assumptions about complete strangers, and definitely does not represent audio, Polk Forums, or humanity in a positive light. -
XJRGUY wrote:I take it you flunked out of "Charm School" :rolleyes:
Had I attended charm school (which obviously I did not)...and had anyone associated with that school made an inane statement like the one on this forum...I would have certainly been expelled immediately upon telling them they were full of crap.
I thought my response here was much more diplomatic than that.
Charm is overrated.
What's the saying related to charm? "You catch more flies with honey". That is of course assuming one has a desire to catch a bunch of worthless, germ ridden insects. A waste of good honey IMO.
Oh well....its off to the IL.
See ya!"Just because youre offended doesnt mean youre right." - Ricky Gervais
"For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible." - Stuart Chase
"Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago." - Bernard Berenson -
Had I attended charm school (which obviously I did not)...and had anyone associated with that school made an inane statement like the one on this forum...I would have certainly been expelled immediately upon telling them they were full of crap.
I thought my response here was much more diplomatic than that.
Charm is overrated.
What's the saying related to charm? "You catch more flies with honey". That is of course assuming one has a desire to catch a bunch of worthless, germ ridden insects. A waste of good honey IMO.
Oh well....it’s off to the IL.
See ya!
LOL, I think you completely missed the point (and accuracy in figures) of Blue's response with your zeal to reply with a jab which is fine.
I can forgive that from a blind follower of the self important individuals that appear to exist here. LOL
An exact quote of his previous response below that you seemed to object to:
"For 99.99% of the population, any audio/video system over $9,999 qualifies as a high 5 figure system. The point is, other than a couple of petty doofuses , people understand the point you are trying to make."
According to the US Census bureau (cite: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States) the median average income in the US is a shade over $50,000.00
Adding credence to Blue's response I agree that the average earner in the US would by far believe a $10,000+ (which is a figure OVER $9,999, and qualifies as FIVE FIGURES right?) stereo system to be a high five figure system, based on income.
Again, real slow and with honey.
$9,999 + $1 or any amount equal to/above that for that matter = $10,000 = five figures (high or not depending on income bracket, but based on actual salary metrics collected by experts that is the majority of the population
God this damn thread is so far off topic it was fine until the peanut gallery arrived. -
Y'all shut up!!
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That doesn't change the fact that 10,000 dollars is not a "high" five figure number. That would actually be the "lowest" five figure system possible. When you take into account the fact that 10,000 is actually THE first five figure number. In order to constitute a "high five figure" number it would have to more like 50,000-60,000 or anywhere above that point. Until you get to 100,000, at which point it would be a "low" six figure number.
To answer the OP's question.
I'm gonna have to agree with most of the forum vet's. Their TV's and DVD/CD players are nice, can't say the same about their AVR's though. My parents used to have a Sony ES 5.1 receiver...for about a month. Then it got returned because it just didn't really sound the greatest...there were several things that didn't seem to work like they should. The build quality didn't seem to be anywhere near as good as other brands either. It got replaced with a Pioneer...which works great.The nirvana inducer-
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pfft
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My woofer is larger than yours."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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Ever hear about the tractor salesman whose wife left him? He got a John Deere letter.
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Ever since the the STR-DAx200ES line came out, their performance has been seriously lacking. Sony rates their receivers roughly about 100-120 watts per channel. But they can only provide the said power with only one or two channels being driven. When driving five or seven channels simultaneously, the power output drops precipitously to 30-35 watts, a whopping 6-dB below rated output (just look at any Sony receiver review at any online site (Home Theater or Sound and Vision).
Admittedly, they are not the only CE company with this problem, but they seem to be the worse. Onkyo and Denon receivers are able to deliver close to rated power with all channels driven, why can't the Sonys?
It's worth pointing out that Denon hasn't always been honest on the stuff below the 380x level. Here's a 2803 making 35 watts with 5 channels driven:
http://hometheatermag.com/receivers/903denon/index2.html
And Onkyo's fibbed before too. Here's an 804 making 55 watts on 5 channels:
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/receivers/2048/test-bench-onkyo-tx-sr804-av-receiver.html
Pioneer and Yamaha are the same until you get to their upper end receivers. Sony's more egregious (lately) because they keep on lying even when you do get into their upper end, but most people either go external or just don't care at that point, I guess. -
Good post, but I don't think Sony's any more egregious. For some reason Sony gets most of the bad rap which is sad because, in all honesty, their receivers sound really really nice. All those reviews on HT and S&V alluded to say the same thing - the numbers aren't the biggest but they sound really nice and offer a lot of bang for the buck. This hobby does strange things to people - measurements are everything when it comes to power ratings, but cables? "We trust our ears." Fair enough, but don't bash other people's gear.It's worth pointing out that Denon hasn't always been honest on the stuff below the 380x level. Here's a 2803 making 35 watts with 5 channels driven:
http://hometheatermag.com/receivers/903denon/index2.html
And Onkyo's fibbed before too. Here's an 804 making 55 watts on 5 channels:
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/receivers/2048/test-bench-onkyo-tx-sr804-av-receiver.html
Pioneer and Yamaha are the same until you get to their upper end receivers. Sony's more egregious (lately) because they keep on lying even when you do get into their upper end, but most people either go external or just don't care at that point, I guess.
There are a number of rude regulars on this board who have made me reconsider buying Polk speakers in the future when I get upgraditis. Negative know-it-alls don't do anybody any favors and just scare people away.Currently listening to:
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RutgersFTW wrote: »There are a number of rude regulars on this board who have made me reconsider buying Polk speakers in the future when I get upgraditis. Negative know-it-alls don't do anybody any favors and just scare people away.
I have met a quite a few horribly obnoxious BMW owners, yet I still like BMW automobiles and I admire BMW as a company.
Why would you deny yourself a quality product just because of the real or perceived rudeness of some of the manufacturer's customers?Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country! -
Chill out dudes...I thought this was about Sony ES?
I thought about buying a Sony ES CD Player but now... -
Conradicles wrote: »Chill out dudes...I thought this was about Sony ES?
I thought about buying a Sony ES CD Player but now...
This is the one to get.
http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665537319
It was just released a few months ago. As soon as I can find a decent online price, with no tax, and free shipping I am ordering it. Of course, I might decide to go with the ES Blu-Ray player first since I can use my 9100ES in the HT room for SACD playback, and CD playback in the living room is a moot point since I use a Benchmark Dac1 for CD digital output. But, it has been a week since I spent some money on new equipment, and since the economy needs help it is my patriotic duty to buy hi-fi equipment.Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
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Buzzed that tower.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
I was talking out of my butt. Long night.DarqueKnight wrote: »I have met a quite a few horribly obnoxious BMW owners, yet I still like BMW automobiles and I admire BMW as a company.
Why would you deny yourself a quality product just because of the real or perceived rudeness of some of the manufacturer's customers?
The BMW analogy doesn't quite work since cars >>> speakers as a status symbol - at least for those of us on the consumer end of the pool. I also can't parade through town with my speakers or drive clients around in a MDF enclosure etc etc.
The point is valid, though: it is not logical to avoid Polk Audio products because their forums have more than a few grumps in the mix. I love my speakers and hope to listen for a long time.Currently listening to:
Marantz SR5004
Sony BDP-S370
Apple TV V2
Audio Technica AT-LP120
Mirage CMD-5 x 5
Bic H-100 -
RutgersFTW wrote: »Good post, but I don't think Sony's any more egregious. For some reason Sony gets most of the bad rap which is sad because, in all honesty, their receivers sound really really nice. All those reviews on HT and S&V alluded to say the same thing - the numbers aren't the biggest but they sound really nice and offer a lot of bang for the buck. This hobby does strange things to people - measurements are everything when it comes to power ratings, but cables? "We trust our ears." Fair enough, but don't bash other people's gear.
I mostly agree. I just think the ES line should get a little more power for the prices they charge. It's really their only downfall since they seem to have the bugs worked out this year. And the DGs are actually very competitive at the prices they go for and the features they have. -
Geez how did I miss this threadLOL, I think you completely missed the point (and accuracy in figures) of Blue's response with your zeal to reply with a jab which is fine.
I can forgive that from a blind follower of the self important individuals that appear to exist here. LOL
An exact quote of his previous response below that you seemed to object to:
"For 99.99% of the population, any audio/video system over $9,999 qualifies as a high 5 figure system. The point is, other than a couple of petty doofuses , people understand the point you are trying to make."
According to the US Census bureau (cite: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States) the median average income in the US is a shade over $50,000.00
Adding credence to Blue's response I agree that the average earner in the US would by far believe a $10,000+ (which is a figure OVER $9,999, and qualifies as FIVE FIGURES right?) stereo system to be a high five figure system, based on income.
Again, real slow and with honey.
$9,999 + $1 or any amount equal to/above that for that matter = $10,000 = five figures (high or not depending on income bracket, but based on actual salary metrics collected by experts that is the majority of the population
God this damn thread is so far off topic it was fine until the peanut gallery arrived. First off $9,999,00 is not even a 5 figure number let alone a hi 5 figure number. 2. What does income have to do with how much you spend on audio gear? 3. Why would you want to brag about owning $10.000.00 worth of Sony ES gear anyhow? Most people with any any real sense or taste in audio have moved on from Sony ES receivers long before spending 10k. I know I did. I used to own a sony receiver or two and it was nice for what it was but...... You can do one hell of a lot better with high quality seperates. 4. Listen to Mark and Jesse they both know more about audio then the average bear you may actually learn something, hard to do if you allready think you know it all. My father used to tell me Son when your mouth is open your ears automatically close shut. Or in this case do more reading and less typing.
REGARDS SNOWWell, I just pulled off the impossible by doing a double-blind comparison all by myself, purely by virtue of the fact that I completely and stupidly forgot what I did last. I guess that getting old does have its advantages after all -
I've been pointed to this thread by a good member and have to say that this thread has gotten out of control, to the point of humiliating someone for liking a piece of equipment. That to me is total CRAP and needs to stop right now!!!
We are not here to make anybody feel or appear stupid for the choices they make or like but to give advice as to what they can look for when making a decision when they are in the market to upgrade. Not to mention that mabey it is all they could afford and mabey they got a deal on something that afforded them to get into this hobby, you never (and I repeat) NEVER belittle or make someone feel bad for their choices cause mabey it was their only choice they could afford.
Knock the **** off
If you don't like what I just said then ban me!!!
Dave -
Not sure who you are referring to Dave but I stand by everything I said in my post earlier. If there is something in it that you dont like about it point out what it is and we can discuss it.dave shepard wrote: »I've been pointed to this thread by a good member and have to say that this thread has gotten out of control, to the point of humiliating someone for liking a piece of equipment. That to me is total CRAP and needs to stop right now!!!
We are not here to make anybody feel or appear stupid for the choices they make or like but to give advice as to what they can look for when making a decision when they are in the market to upgrade. Not to mention that mabey it is all they could afford and mabey they got a deal on something that afforded them to get into this hobby, you never (and I repeat) NEVER belittle or make someone feel bad for their choices cause mabey it was their only choice they could afford.
Knock the **** off
If you don't like what I just said then ban me!!!
Dave
REGARDS SNOWWell, I just pulled off the impossible by doing a double-blind comparison all by myself, purely by virtue of the fact that I completely and stupidly forgot what I did last. I guess that getting old does have its advantages after all -
Geez how did I miss this thread First off $9,999,00 is not even a 5 figure number let alone a hi 5 figure number. 2. What does income have to do with how much you spend on audio gear? 3. Why would you want to brag about owning $10.000.00 worth of Sony ES gear anyhow? Most people with any any real sense or taste in audio have moved on from Sony ES receivers long before spending 10k. I know I did. I used to own a sony receiver or two and it was nice for what it was but...... You can do one hell of a lot better with high quality seperates. 4. Listen to Mark and Jesse they both know more about audio then the average bear you may actually learn something, hard to do if you allready think you know it all. My father used to tell me Son when your mouth is open your ears automatically close shut. Or in this case do more reading and less typing.
REGARDS SNOW
Geez, you must have still missed the thread based on your reply.
Um Captain Obvious, $9,999 is NOT a 5 figure number I think we established that already.
The reply that you quoted was my reply to Shack who for some reason has to run to F1Nut's defense on this and every other thread.
I'd say income is directly related to how much you spend on audio gear, or how much one does NOT spend on audio gear.
Who here was bragging? Nobody was bragging about owning $10,000 of Sony or any other kind of gear.
Most people with any real sense or taste would keep their opinions to themselves about someone else's choice of audio gear. So I guess that would be YOU that would be bragging based on your elitist toned reply. Hypocrite.
Assuming Jesse is the F1Nut, sorry but I am not listening to a damn thing he has to say considering he has proven to be a complete and utter ******* on this thread.
Your poignant father to son anecdotes are cute, but don't even try to shove that stuff down my throat.
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Most people with any real sense or taste would keep their opinions to themselves about someone else's choice of audio gear. So I guess that would be YOU that would be bragging based on your elitist toned reply. Hypocrite.
Not sure if you missed it but but the OP asked for oppinions on Sony ES gear this is my oppinion
It went downhill after Mark shared his knowledge and expeirences with Sony ES gear and in post #36 you copped an attitude. And again in post #40 your still looking for a fight. He mentioned the ES products that he liked and some newer ones he didnt, he never said all ES products are or were junk but you tried to twist his words to make it appear so.Re-read the damn thread and you'll see where it went southYour poignant father to son anecdotes are cute, but don't even try to shove that stuff down my throat.
Well I knew that was a waste of my time considering your attitude and obvious inability and lack of desire to learn anything.
REGARDS SNOWWell, I just pulled off the impossible by doing a double-blind comparison all by myself, purely by virtue of the fact that I completely and stupidly forgot what I did last. I guess that getting old does have its advantages after all -
Not sure if you missed it but but the OP asked for oppinions on Sony ES gear this is my oppinion It went downhill after Mark shared his knowledge and expeirences with Sony ES gear and in post #36 you copped an attitude. And again in post #40 your still looking for a fight. He mentioned the ES products that he liked and some newer ones he didnt, he never said all ES products are or were junk but you tried to twist his words to make it appear so.
Well I knew that was a waste of my time considering your attitude and obvious inability and lack of desire to learn anything.
REGARDS SNOW
LOL, if you call #36 and #40 "looking for a fight" man you need to grow some thicker skin.
Apparently you took the easy way out and completely glossed over the good info that was posted in this thread.
What is there to learn? Enlighten us oh great one.
Oh wait..according to you:
"Most people with any any real sense or taste in audio have moved on from Sony ES receivers long before spending 10k. I know I did."
Nope, sorry I will skip that class....
"Listen to Mark and Jesse they both know more about audio then the average bear you may actually learn something, hard to do if you allready think you know it all."
and.....this nugget:
"My father used to tell me Son when your mouth is open your ears automatically close shut. Or in this case do more reading and less typing."
Yeah that is real learning for you, I'm here on the edge of my seat taking notes.
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Press release from a while back, but the STR-DA6400ES is their top line unit and I haven't seen any in depth reviews online.
Anyone have one of these?
Sony added two new ES A/V receivers last week - the STR-DA6400ES and the STR-DA5400ES - both of which come with a CAT5e output which allows for second-room high definition video and audio distribution via CAT5e wiring. The STR-DA6400ES also comes with an extra CAT5e input and is also DLNA (Digital Life Network Alliance) compliant allowing the receiver to connect and stream content from networked PCs. The new receivers feature the following:
Supports 1080/24p video signals
Supports latest audio formats including Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, DTS High Resolution Audio, DTS HD Master Audio
Dual Faroudja DCDi Cinema chips - the main Faroudja DCDi upscales video sources to 1080p in the main room when connected via HDMI. The second Faroudja DCDi chip upscales video sources to 1080i in a second room
Supports x.v.Color, and Deep Color enabled sources
Sony’s xross media bar GUI can be shared in both rooms
Supports decoding of Direct Stream Digital audio sources
Features Sony’s Digital Legato Linear audio scaler - upscales audio to 192KHz
Dual Digital Media ports
Sirius and XM Connect-and-Play ready
Sony Digital Cinema Auto Calibration for easy setup
Support for BRAVIA Sync for Theatre
The STR-DA6400ES is a 7.1 channel receiver with:
120 watt amplifier x 7
Six HDMI inputs (five rear, one front)
Two HDMI outputs
Available in October for $2500
The STR-DA5400ES is a 7.1 channel receiver with:
120 watt amplifier x 7
Six HDMI inputs
Two HDMI outputs
Available in September for $2000
