Is SACD here to stay?

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  • Igo
    Igo Posts: 411
    edited November 2008
    Crap. Wrong SACD player. My vintage SACD is the Sony DVP-NS500V. But I how know that it isn't the first.
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  • Danny Tse
    Danny Tse Posts: 5,206
    edited November 2008
    Igo wrote: »
    Crap. Wrong SACD player. My vintage SACD is the Sony DVP-NS500V. But I how know that it isn't the first.

    But the Sony DVP-NS500V is a fine sounding machine. The Absolute Sound called its CD performance on par with the original Rega Planet, and the NS500's SACD performance rank above the Planet. Not bad for an inexpensive DVD/SACD/CD player.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited November 2008
    Sony knows how to do SACD on most of their players. I have a Sony DVP-NS775V that I bought for $50 (refurb through SonyStyle) with the intent on sending it to Matt Anker at SACDMods to upgrade. I am still amazed how well SACD sounds through this inexpensive DVD machine (redbook not so good). I will still send it on for the mods...but it sounds very good for $50.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited November 2008
    The first Sony SACD player was the SCD-1 which retailed for $5,000. It was stereo only and working machines in good condition are still in demand. The SCD-CE595 and the SCD-C2000ES were the last SACD-CD only players made by Sony. They came out in 2004 IIRC.
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  • Motzart
    Motzart Posts: 1,075
    edited November 2008
    A wealth of education! :)

    Gotta love this place!!

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  • Danny Tse
    Danny Tse Posts: 5,206
    edited November 2008
    shack wrote: »
    The SCD-CE595 and the SCD-C2000ES were the last SACD-CD only players made by Sony. They came out in 2004 IIRC.

    These are the last audio-only SACD capable player Sony introduced; they were other SACD-capable players that included DVD playback....like the 3100ES/9100ES single-disc players.

    The SCD-CE595 and the C2000ES are basically the same machine, except for the C2000ES' headphone jack with volume control, dedicated L/R analog outputs, better parts inside, better remote, and 5 year warranty.
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  • Igo
    Igo Posts: 411
    edited November 2008
    Danny Tse wrote: »
    But the Sony DVP-NS500V is a fine sounding machine. The Absolute Sound called its CD performance on par with the original Rega Planet, and the NS500's SACD performance rank above the Planet. Not bad for an inexpensive DVD/SACD/CD player.
    Thank you very much. It is a fine player. I just replaced it with a Sony ES line SACD player but the NS500 will live on in another setup I have in another part of the house.
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited November 2008
    shack wrote: »
    The first Sony SACD player was the SCD-1 which retailed for $5,000. It was stereo only and working machines in good condition are still in demand. The SCD-CE595 and the SCD-C2000ES were the last SACD-CD only players made by Sony. They came out in 2004 IIRC.


    Sony recently released a new SACD player, the SCD-XA5400ES ES , for $1500..
    http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665537319

    It has balanced stereo only XLR outputs, and I recently bought a new pre-amp with 2 sets of XLR inputs specifically to handle both this player, and the Dac1. Once I can find it online for $1000 with no tax, and free shipping I will be buying it for the living room stereo.
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  • Motzart
    Motzart Posts: 1,075
    edited December 2008
    Just bought the Sony SCD-CE595.....hope I don't regret it!

    Headphone jack on my reciever....don't need one on the unit.

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  • Motzart
    Motzart Posts: 1,075
    edited December 2008
    FYI

    I scored a copy of Dark Side Of The Moon off feebay in LN cond for $8.50 shipped!
    What a deal!!!!

    My Sony SACD should be here this week....can't wait to check it all out.
    See if it's what everyone says it is?

    Thanx for all the help on this!
    Mighta got me hooked on another aspect of Stereophilia? :)

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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited December 2008
    Motzart wrote:
    FYI

    I scored a copy of Dark Side Of The Moon off feebay in LN cond for $8.50 shipped!
    What a deal!!!!

    My Sony SACD should be here this week....can't wait to check it all out.
    See if it's what everyone says it is?

    Thanx for all the help on this!
    Mighta got me hooked on another aspect of Stereophilia? :)

    That is one of the very few SACDs that should be listened to in multi-channel SACD.

    "Tubular Bells" by Mike Oldfield is another SACD that SHOULD be listened to in MC.

    For everything else...2 channel rules!
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  • Igo
    Igo Posts: 411
    edited December 2008
    I think the Dark Side of the Moon is the most popular SACD to date. Its cool but for a rock mix I think Toys in the Attic was a better multi-channel mix.
    I've done a bunch of SACD surround experimenting lately and my findings are that if I know Krall is singing at the piano she is playing, I want to hear her voice and the piano coming from speakers on the same side of the room. LOL.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited December 2008
    Igo wrote:
    Its cool but for a rock mix I think Toys in the Attic was a better multi-channel mix.

    99% of the MC SACD mixes suck...including Toys in the Attic, which I own. MC SACDs are a waste IMO.
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  • mmadden28
    mmadden28 Posts: 4,283
    edited December 2008
    Let's see, some of the albums I've heard are good in SACD MC are DSOTM, Tommy (The Who) and Beck - Sea Change. I'm sure there's more that would sound good , I just haven't had much chance to do any serious listening yet. Oh and I havn't found 'Sea Change' at a reasonable price yet, but after hearing the reg CD version, I can only imagine.

    In DVD-A I've read that the Beatles 'Love' album is pretty good as well.
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  • Fongolio
    Fongolio Posts: 3,516
    edited December 2008
    What very few may know is that the Sony Playstation 3 also does SACD playback through HDMI. I was just listening to The Allman Brothers Eat A Peach on mine and with the new Yamaha receiver it sounds fantastic. I love the multi-channel mix on it as well. Sorry Shack but I'm a huge fan of MC SACD's.
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  • landry_p2000
    landry_p2000 Posts: 1,313
    edited December 2008
    I just got a Samsung dvd-hd841 from a pal of mine for $50. I also just purchased my first sacd from a great sacd website called www.acousticsounds.com. I got my cables from monoprice.com and will soon be entering the world of sacd. I am excited and anxious to hear what I've been missing.

    By the way, I think I remember seeing that Pink Floyd sacd on acouticsounds wesite.
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  • Igo
    Igo Posts: 411
    edited December 2008
    shack wrote: »
    99% of the MC SACD mixes suck...including Toys in the Attic, which I own. MC SACDs are a waste IMO.
    You probably know more than I do but I'd stop buying them if I were you. :)
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  • Igo
    Igo Posts: 411
    edited December 2008
    Fongolio wrote: »
    What very few may know is that the Sony Playstation 3 also does SACD playback through HDMI. I was just listening to The Allman Brothers Eat A Peach on mine and with the new Yamaha receiver it sounds fantastic. I love the multi-channel mix on it as well. Sorry Shack but I'm a huge fan of MC SACD's.
    What's a "MC" SACD?
    edit: Multi-Channel?
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  • TNRabbit
    TNRabbit Posts: 2,168
    edited December 2008
    Igo wrote: »
    What's a "MC" SACD?
    edit: Multi-Channel?

    Multi-Channel.
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  • Motzart
    Motzart Posts: 1,075
    edited December 2008
    All the yea's and nea's about SACD is intriguing and makes me that much more curious! :rolleyes:
    Hard to believe that MC could be as bad of a sound picture and some paint it.

    Guess soon enough my lobes will let my grey matter know which side I'll be on.

    So many differing opinions on SACD.....
    After all I have read everywhere on the web I'm getting a headache!!
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited December 2008
    Igo wrote: »
    You probably know more than I do but I'd stop buying them if I were you. :)

    EVERY SACD has a 2 Channel mix...and that is all I really care about. My HT rig has a SACD player but almost all of my SACD listening is on my 2 Channel rig. So I guess I will continue to add to my SACD collection.

    Most of the original SACD releases had ONLY a 2 Channel SACD mix (no redbook or MC). They advanced the format to MC hoping to get a broader spectrum of listeners and take the format more mainstream. I would venture to say that the majority of SACD purchasers are audiophile types that are more interested in the SQ of the recording vs the "surround sound" and the format has no real demand from the typical HT fan.
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  • doggie750
    doggie750 Posts: 1,160
    edited December 2008
    SACD..........is like heaven to my ears.
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  • Hawkeye
    Hawkeye Posts: 1,313
    edited December 2008
    A well put together Redbook only system is enough for me. (2 channel) I had a SACD/CDP player that I traded in on a straight Redbook player and the RB only is light years ahead of the SACD/CDP.

    My MC SACD player is in the HT but it does not get much use. Seems kinds gimmicky to me.

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  • Danny Tse
    Danny Tse Posts: 5,206
    edited December 2008
    mmadden28 wrote: »
    Oh and I havn't found 'Sea Change' at a reasonable price yet, but after hearing the reg CD version, I can only imagine.

    "Sea Change" is coming to 24K gold CD from Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab.
    Motzart wrote: »
    All the yea's and nea's about SACD is intriguing and makes me that much more curious! :rolleyes:

    Hard to believe that MC could be as bad of a sound picture and some paint it.

    If you're into classical music, you owe yourself to check out the Sony/BMG/RCA "Living Stereo" SACD series. Some of these titles were originally recorded back in the 50s in multi-channel (left/center/right) and SACD gives these recordings an opportunity to be played back as they were recorded. On top of that, these titles are relatively inexpensive titles at about $12.00 a pop. Highly recommended!!
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  • Motzart
    Motzart Posts: 1,075
    edited December 2008
    Danny Tse wrote: »
    "Sea Change" is coming to 24K gold CD from Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab.



    If you're into classical music, you owe yourself to check out the Sony/BMG/RCA "Living Stereo" SACD series. Some of these titles were originally recorded back in the 50s in multi-channel (left/center/right) and SACD gives these recordings an opportunity to be played back as they were recorded. On top of that, these titles are relatively inexpensive titles at about $12.00 a pop. Highly recommended!!

    Ooooooooooo drool! :eek:
    Now this sounds interesting!!

    Got a link?

    I wanna get some Classical titles on SACD.
    One I have my eye out for is Bach's St Mathews Passion.
    Sounds incedible on reg CD I bets it's more than a treat on SACD.

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  • Danny Tse
    Danny Tse Posts: 5,206
    edited December 2008
    Motzart wrote: »
    Ooooooooooo drool! :eek:
    Now this sounds interesting!!

    Got a link?

    Here you go....

    Beck - Sea Change on 24K gold CD from MoFi
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  • Motzart
    Motzart Posts: 1,075
    edited December 2008
    Danny Tse wrote: »
    Here you go....

    Beck - Sea Change on 24K gold CD from MoFi

    Sorry I meant on the Classical titles. :o

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  • Danny Tse
    Danny Tse Posts: 5,206
    edited December 2008
    Motzart wrote: »
    Sorry I meant on the Classical titles. :o

    Here you go....

    Living Stereo SACDs as listed at sa-cd.net

    The "Mussorgsky: Pictures at an Exhibition" is excellent! Some of these you can get at yourmusic.com for $6.99/each
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  • Motzart
    Motzart Posts: 1,075
    edited December 2008
    Danny Tse wrote: »
    Here you go....

    Living Stereo SACDs as listed at sa-cd.net

    The "Mussorgsky: Pictures at an Exhibition" is excellent! Some of these you can get at yourmusic.com for $6.99/each


    Wow thanx man!

    yourmusic.com comes up with a screen full of gibbish for me for some reason!??

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,703
    edited December 2008
    Hard to believe that MC could be as bad of a sound picture and some paint it.

    It's actually worse than it's been painted.
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