George, OMC got one of these? Take a look at one of Audio's Holy Grails & It's NIB!

I don't know.....something strikes me as odd about this.

New In Box?

The box hasn't been opened since 1970?

How do they know the box has never been opened?

Can't a box be opened and then resealed with tape?

What assurances do I have that the tape on the box is the original tape from the manufacturer?

How do they know there is really a turntable in that box?

Are they the original owner?

Only the original owner knows for sure.

The box could have been opened 33 years ago and used to store 8 track tapes.

I am a skeptic.

Originally posted by George Grand
To expand on a previous statement, Henry Kloss, co-founder of AR, and then KLH, founder of Advent, and founder of Cambridge Soundworks, is responsible for bringing good sound into more homes, than any other person in history. Period. George Grand (of the Jersey Grand's)

Tears welling............amen; well put George. The late 70's were a literal revolution in the sound industry - these are landmark and milestone companies and products. Henry Kloss is a giant in the audio industry - a legend.

Well, that's all well and good but can you set it on the sidewalk and beat it with something without it skipping?

I'm interested in the final total as well.....

BDT

i prefer to throw computer speakers and watch em bust into pieces as they hit the driveway! AWESOME STUFF MAN! AWESOME STUFF!

Henry Kloss did not design the XA turntable. His partner and co-founder at AR did, Edgar Villchur. An absolute genius. He was the real force behind many of the AR landmark products. He was good at what he did, because he had no real interest in audio as a hobby. He liked challenges, and came up with unique solutions to long standing problems (that others usually failed miserably at). Once he sold AR (Kloss had left for KLH) and made millions on that sale, he never had anything to do with another audio product (unless you consider designing hearing aids audio).

I had the TREMENDOUS fortune and honor to meet both of them , Kloss and Villchur, at the 40th anniversary party celebrating the 1954 founding of AR. It was held at Grand Central Station in New York, and put together by Ken Kantor, who knows a thing or two about speaker design himself. Very fortunate to obtain a copy of Villchur's book "Hi-Fi Reproduction" and I got it signed by both Kloss and Villchur at that gala affair. There is a small possibility that there will be a 50th anniversay gala in 2004 . Naturally Kloss won't be there, but Roy Allison, one of the great AR designers, and ANOTHER guy who knows a thing or two about speakers, just might be.

The 40th gala, was also a launching pad for the AR 303, 302 and 338 (Ken Kantor designs). They were all modeled after classic AR speakers. The 303 being a new AR-3a, and the 302 being a new AR-5 which was Roy Allison's baby. I had a pair of 5's, and now have a pair of those 302's in cherry. They're gorgeous, sound fantastic, and were only played once and then I sealed them back up in their boxes. $200 delivered to my house from accessories4less.com, and NO they are not two lefts, or two rights. I recommended so many people to that company, they provided me with a bonus for my efforts.

Ken Kantor is a great guy, another genius, and truly witty. He designed the speakers I mentioned, as well as the AR MGC-1 (Magic-1) in the 80's, AND all those great NHT jobs. He mentioned that he just missed being in on my AR-9's. That was the moment (recently I might add) when he stated that my AR-9's set the standard for the day, 1978 or so, AND have the best low end he's ever heard, TO THIS DAY!

I also met a man at the gala named Tom Tyson. A real gentleman, he has the most extensive collection of AR products and memorabilia that I've ever seen, to include the old cutaway, AR-3a, which was on display there, pumping away to a 5Hz signal!!!! I also believe it is his AR-3a's that are on display at the Smithsonian. Meeting him, Ken Kantor, Villchur, Kloss, Julian Hirsch, David Hafler, was like walking through a **** dream for 3 hours. They even fed us (took my old bud from Brooklyn, Ray Nader)!!

A real highlight, was presented by Villchur. We were standing around talking, and a gentleman that wasn't aware that Villchur had nothing to do with audio after he sold AR in the early 70's asked him "Edgar, how do you think the 303 compares to the 3a?" To which Edgar replied, "See that guy over there? (pointing to a uniformed security guard) Go ask him, cause he knows a lot more about it than I do!" Also, my friend Ray, lamented to Kloss that HE was the reason Ray has so many speakers hanging around the house (not QUITE as many as moi of course). To which Henry replied, "At least I made them small!"

Like walking through a dream, I still get the opportunity to bounce questions off Ken Kantor, and Tom Tyson. If corporate people don't do anything for the 50th anniversary, we all may get together somewhere and do it ourselves.

I didn't read the threads all the way through, so here's more:

The tone arm on the AR-XA didn't float at all. It fell like a rock if you dropped it, as it wasn't damped by an arm lifter.

The mid 70's model was the XB, NOT the XA. The XA might have been manufactured up to about 74-75. Then there was an XA-91, and after that the XB. I can't remember ALL this ****. I'm 50. Every day I have to un-remember some stuff, just to be able to remember not to piss or **** myself.

I'm not familiar with a floating suspension Scott table. Bet he sold at least 8 of them, for what it's worth.

Beating the XA on the sidewalk was an actual demonstration used by AR, WHEN THEY HAD A LISTENING ROOM AT GRAND CENTRAL STATION. Not my fault most guys here aren't old enough to remember it. Kloss's idea I believe to have that room there, as so many thousand people passed through each day (outthinking Dr. Bose from a marketing standpoint!). You couldn't buy anything at the demo room, but many AR dealers were a a couple of blocks away, just in case you liked what you heard.

George Grand (of the Jersey Grand's)

Yes, Roy Allison founded Allison Acoustics (IC-20's are incredible speakers), and then RA Labs (which I visited in 1995 up in Mass.).
I bought a pair of his Mini-References, which at the time, were about as much performance as you were going to squeeze out of a 6" two-way. He is still alive, and lending a new company his expertise. Roy Allison was responsible for the AR-5.


George Grand (of the Jersey Grand's)

1. Allison Acoustics Inc. I believe is the new company.

2. Harley's book is an acceptable piece of reading, but bear in mind, he was a Stereophile writer for a long while. He HATED the beloved Polk's.

3. Diminishing returns with external crossovers, add the capability to introduce problems (JUST LIKE ADDING SUBWOOFERS!). Just bi-amp if you have the capability. I don't subscribe to bi-wiring, and am not going to get a headache discussing it.

George Grand (of the Jersey Grand's)

Never stand when you can sit, never sit when you can lay down.

Never bi-wire when you can bi-amp, never bi-amp when you can bridge mono.

Allison's are a rare find, but worth it from what I 'hear'. I'd put em' on par with other rare finds like Norman Laboratories, some older Sound Dynamics, some ADS.

Cheers,
Urine Head

Before you go out buying research material, check your local library. Mine has a copy of Dearborn's book, as well as a lot of other good reading. Plus there always seems to be a fairly good supply of debutante's at the library. Books AND babes.

George Grand (of the Jersey Grand's)

(of the Jersey Grand's)

I'd spend $1,025 on a turntable, if Jenny McCarthy was sitting on it. No new tables here. You had to know that table was going to go for more than a "Grand".


George Grand (of the Jersey Grand's)