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  • MxStYlEpOlKmAn
    MxStYlEpOlKmAn Posts: 2,116
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    I get my mom's permission to buy stuff after it arrives!!!!!!!


    eh...are u kidding me?
    Damn you all, damn you all to hell.......
    I promised myself
    No more speakers. None. Nada. And then you posted this!!!!
    Damn you all! - ATC
  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,985
    edited January 2003
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    I don't buy the 'wife' excuse. Maybe I'm just spoiled cause my T-Jones is down with audio, but GROW SOME BALLS FELLAS.

    Throw some Luda at her 'Move ****, get out the way, get out the way ****, get out the way....'

    Cheers,
    Big Balla, Shot Calla
    Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service.
  • scottvamp
    scottvamp Posts: 3,277
    edited January 2003
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    Are ya a MAN or a mouse!
    What was the score of the super bowl? - my wife was watching an Oprah marithon on the Oxygen channel. :p
  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited January 2003
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    Originally posted by scottvamp
    Separates means the you have a pre-amp and 1 or more amps.
    Most receivers on the market are "intergrated". Pre-amp and amp are all in one unit.
    Except "now adays" near top of the line and flagship recievers have just as much if not MORE options than a common pre-amp does. The "upgrade not an option" does not fly with me anymore.
    Tons of features and pre-out galore.
    Scott,
    I’m not saying upgrades are not possible with receivers, just saying IMO separates offer even more options, and more economical ones at that. I found it much easier to build through separates. Just makes no sense to me to tie your amps to SS processor that will be outmoded in a couple years, re-buy a tuner every time, etc. Seems to me that good amps hold resale better than any other link in the electronic chain. And then add the breakdown scenarios and … well maybe it’s just me… to each his own… peace…

    brent,
    “Headroom” is an old term for the short-term power an amp can provide to handle musical peaks, which demand more than the continuous power level that the amp is rated for. As an example my old Carver was rated at 350w/ch into 8 ohms RMS, but could deliver up to 600w/ch to both channels “for musically significant time periods”. This “reserve” amounted to just over 2 db’s of dynamic headroom. May not seem like much of a “volume” increase for so much more power, but power demands double for each 3-db increase.

    But take heart, 1w should produce around 90 db at 1000Hz at a distance of 1 meter (this is actually the old definition of speaker “sensitivity”) from most speakers, so even a 100 w/ch amp has a great deal of reserve power. As an example, say you normally only listen to two watts and the SPL (sound pressure level) at your listening position is around 90 db, pretty loud. To reproduce a 93 db sound the amp kicks up to 4 watts; 96-db/ 8 w; 99-db/ 16w; 102-db/ 32w… so the 100w amp still has room to handle another doubling and a piece. And since the dynamic range of most rock is only about 15 to 20-db, and this range includes going down from your base SPL, you’re in good shape here. By contrast classical music often has upwards of 90-db dynamic range.
    But it’s Friday night and you want to crank up Pink Floyd’s The Wall” you say? You want 96-db (8w) during “the soft stuff”? What you going to do when the helicopter comes after you at 108db wanting 128w (99-db- 16w/ 102 – 32w/ 105 – 64w/ 108 – 128w). Oops, sorry… out of amp going to clip city… unless it’s got that extra couple of db’s of headroom.

    As I recall, Dr. Spec has a more complete, and better-written, explanation somewhere on post that includes a delve into RMS vs. “continuous”. If I find it, I’ll alert you to it
    .
    Carver and Adcom were two pioneers in designing amps with headroom. A large number of amps design this in today. Consult your manual to see if yours does.

    As for definitions, at least in stereo days, they used to be:
    - Separates = individual tuner, pre-amp, amp, etc. - one function per box.
    - Integrated amp = pre-amp + amp in one box.
    - Receiver = tuner + pre-amp + amp in one box.
    Pre-amp almost always used to include a phone pre-amp, not so anymore. Sometimes you saw pre-amp and tuner together, but this was short lived.
    Today's HT receivers are as defined above plus SS processors, etc. HT pre-amps include all but the amps, and most times, the phono pre-amp.

    Sorry for any confusion, I tend to use “old-speak”. If you have more questions, just ask.

    And ‘cuse me guys, but I’ve yet to see a single RT-35 listed yet…. And Russ wasn’t (at least ‘til his last post), in my mind criticizing brent… “anyone” means anyone… as in he’s amazed no one wants the RT-55, not just brent.

    We got a newbie here wanting to learn, so don’t heap your cumulative frustrations of him… I mean WTF y’all get commissions on stuff you post…

    Ahhhh… feel better now… of course the above is just my opinion, I could be wrong.
    More later,
    Tour...
    Vox Copuli
    Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. - Old English Proverb

    "Death doesn't come with a Uhaul." - Dennis Gardner

    "It's easy to get lost in price vs performance vs ego vs illusion." - doro
    "There is a certain entertainment value in ripping the occaisonal (sic) buttmunch..." - TroyD
  • scottvamp
    scottvamp Posts: 3,277
    edited January 2003
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    Wow - long post there tour.
    They both have there pros and cons.
    Modern day flagship recievers are brakeing the old shcool thought that intergrated recievers are not worth the investment.
    I brought the learning. But a newbie probably is not going to run out and purchase seperates shortly after learning the deffinition.
  • faster100
    faster100 Posts: 6,124
    edited January 2003
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    Yup russman i must be spoiled as well, My wife doesn't care what i buy, she loves the audio stuff also and loves every upgrade "we" make, The wife thing is a sorry excuse!! period..
    MY HT RIG:
    Sherwood p-965
    Sherwood sd871 dvd
    Rotel 1075 amp x5
    LSI15 mains
    LsiC center
    LSIfx surround backs
    Lsi7 side surrounds
    SVS pb12/plus2


    2 Channel Rig:

    nad 1020 Pre-amp
    Rotel 1080 stereo amp
    Polk sda 2B
    kenwood grunt Tuner
    realistic lab 450 TT
    Signal cable IC
  • brentski
    brentski Posts: 96
    edited January 2003
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    I know, I started the thread asking about a RT-35 for my rear center!
    I went ahead and got Har's CS-400i for my new center to go with my RT-55 mains and RT-35 surrounds and can now use my current center(a CS-245) as my new rear center.

    Well, Scott answered my question about "separates" mentioned above by Tour2ma,

    but I still am not sure what "headroom" means;
    originally posted by Tour2ma
    Check out your receiver’s headroom, if it has 1.5 db or so, it can deliver 112 w or so of short duration power. But your power requirement is going to come down to: how large of a room your HT rig is trying to fill, speaker sensitivity and impedance,


    The room is 14.5'L x 11.5' W x 8' H and speakers mentioned above if that helps
    Center; CS-400i
    Main's; RT-55's
    Side Surround's-RT-35's
    Rear center;CS-300
    Sub; SVS PB12-NSD
  • faster100
    faster100 Posts: 6,124
    edited January 2003
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    your ceiling needs to be high enough for "headroom" :)

    kidding, kidding, maybe Russman can explain
    MY HT RIG:
    Sherwood p-965
    Sherwood sd871 dvd
    Rotel 1075 amp x5
    LSI15 mains
    LsiC center
    LSIfx surround backs
    Lsi7 side surrounds
    SVS pb12/plus2


    2 Channel Rig:

    nad 1020 Pre-amp
    Rotel 1080 stereo amp
    Polk sda 2B
    kenwood grunt Tuner
    realistic lab 450 TT
    Signal cable IC
  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited January 2003
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    Brent,
    Scott's right, my post was a bit long, but headroom answer is in there. Dig a little, it starts with:
    Originally posted by Tour2ma
    brent,
    “Headroom” is ...
    As for the Separates, I saw Scott's reply, but his use of "Receiver" vs. "integrated-amp" was not what I know them to be... ;) ... at least in "old school" (read "my school") terminology...
    More later,
    Tour...
    Vox Copuli
    Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. - Old English Proverb

    "Death doesn't come with a Uhaul." - Dennis Gardner

    "It's easy to get lost in price vs performance vs ego vs illusion." - doro
    "There is a certain entertainment value in ripping the occaisonal (sic) buttmunch..." - TroyD
  • MxStYlEpOlKmAn
    MxStYlEpOlKmAn Posts: 2,116
    edited January 2003
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    Gimmie some adcoms and an adcom preamp and ill b on my way, forget the receivers!
    Damn you all, damn you all to hell.......
    I promised myself
    No more speakers. None. Nada. And then you posted this!!!!
    Damn you all! - ATC
  • scottvamp
    scottvamp Posts: 3,277
    edited January 2003
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    Wow Mx Adcom!!!!!!
    Since we are dreaming
    Kick it up a notch at least.
    Try out some
    KRELL
  • MxStYlEpOlKmAn
    MxStYlEpOlKmAn Posts: 2,116
    edited January 2003
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    Welp, gimmie the money and ill dream just a tad bit harder
    Damn you all, damn you all to hell.......
    I promised myself
    No more speakers. None. Nada. And then you posted this!!!!
    Damn you all! - ATC
  • scottvamp
    scottvamp Posts: 3,277
    edited January 2003
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    Mx you can't go through life asking for $. It's gets ugly out there.
    Cardboard signs and such.
    Now you go hit the school books "cause that Polk forum is da dedil".:lol:
  • brentski
    brentski Posts: 96
    edited January 2003
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    Tou2ma,

    I am a newbie, and while I still don't understand some of what you wrote, I am beginning to "get it"
    ( and I guess that's the whole trick)

    What I appreciate the most is the time and especially the patience in putting it all down for me and try to understand.

    holding back the tears :D

    Thanks
    Center; CS-400i
    Main's; RT-55's
    Side Surround's-RT-35's
    Rear center;CS-300
    Sub; SVS PB12-NSD
  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited January 2003
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    Brentski,

    You're welcome... now dry your eyes and get to sleep...

    I'm a newbie, too, at least in terms of time in the Club and HT, but a have more years of stereo experiences, good and bad, than I care to admit. Will share what I can, when I can.

    From what I can tell you're off to a good start with most of your money in your speakers. Good move there... :)
    More later,
    Tour...
    Vox Copuli
    Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. - Old English Proverb

    "Death doesn't come with a Uhaul." - Dennis Gardner

    "It's easy to get lost in price vs performance vs ego vs illusion." - doro
    "There is a certain entertainment value in ripping the occaisonal (sic) buttmunch..." - TroyD