Does the cables really matter??? Or it´s just good marketing?
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Billy M2
This is what I posted about cables six months ago
"The adcom use a fairly high amount of current to operate. i have the GFP-500, GFA-585, GFA-555,GFA-7500, and GFA-5400. I had factory's to start, and I upgraded to AR's from best buy (stop laughing). If you are doing short runs buy short cables. Mine are nicely insulated, shielded, low loss cables. If you are rich and you want to show off your Fancy cables to your friends spend $100 or more per set. All that travels down that wire is a low voltage signal. If there is no loss of signal going from 1 unit to another you will get the same sound. High dollar cable does not manipulate sound, no loss is no loss. Plan your wiring is better advice than spending high dollars. Don't run signal wires parallel with speaker wires or power chords. Some of the retarded S#!t I see in high end magazines makes me sick. Are people really stupid enough to believe that if you freeze cables down to 270 below zero it makes your system sound better? Keep your connections clean, runs short, routed properly, and the shielded cables like the AR's will work for you. If you are running long distances, or near alternating current, through a wall with speaker wire then I can see justifying the slightly more expensive wire. I was actually thinking of making custom cables for rich dummies, create some story why my cables are so good, how the earths rotation and magnetic field affect sound quality. Maybe even through in a bit about how my cables are impervious to alien communication, and navigation signals. I just don't have it in me to rip off rich dummies. If I upset anyone hear with my comments I will be making a custom set of .5 meter alien proof patch cables for you that only cost $549. Have a nice day Ben :-)"
I have opened up my mind, and tried different cables.
Now I have some pretty nice wires that have made a world of difference.
Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
Thanks
Ben -
Screw the ZYX/ABC triple blind, stand on your head tests. . .my ears are what tell me what sounds good!!!
A dbt/abx test only involves your ears, apparently you don't trust yours as much as you think.From this point further, you are on ignore list cause really all you want to do is incite,
You call me full of ****, but I'm the one who is trying to incite?
And now you can even hear differences in digital cables? Somehow the cable is changing the data on the disc? I can't imagine why anyone would doubt your "experience".
Go ahead and put me on ignore, I've read enough voodoo. -
Really I´ve learned a lot about cables reading this thread. However I didn´t make any change in my cables yet.
I´ll do an unbiased test and post the results. I could compare my actual RCA 12g with some ordinary lamp wire same size. And see what happens. -
Quess you forgot writing this too.......WilliamM2 wrote:We don't all hear things the same way.
Your word for today is HYPOCRITE.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
Your word for today is HYPOCRITE.
Nice quote, but it has no relevence here. In was in reference to why some prefer tube sound, and some prefer SS. I never claimed tube and SS sound the same. -
A dbt/abx test only involves your ears, apparently you don't trust yours as much as you think.
You call me full of ****, but I'm the one who is trying to incite?
And now you can even hear differences in digital cables? Somehow the cable is changing the data on the disc? I can't imagine why anyone would doubt your "experience".
Go ahead and put me on ignore, I've read enough voodoo.
Actually, some digital standards (HDMI for example) are half duplex (AKA connectionless protocol) , which means data flows in one direction only. there is no error correction in the protocol, no packet resend. For example, If you have some experience with computer Networks, you'd know then when the wiring is crap, the data travels slowly. but eventually, it gets from computer to computer intact. thats because TCP/IP has transfer control, and will resend over and over missing/corrupt packets. you can't do that with HT. a 2 hour movie, is a 2 hour movie. its soundtrack can't play for 2.5, because you have a crap cable. add to that the inherited design flows of DVI/HDMI and digital cable quality does make some difference. -
Nice quote, but it has no relevence here. In was in reference to why some prefer tube sound, and some prefer SS. I never claimed tube and SS sound the same.
Of course it has relevence here. You can't say, "We don't all hear things the same way." and selectively apply it to amps alone.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
Of course it has relevence here. You can't say, "We don't all hear things the same way." and selectively apply it to amps alone.
I don't selectively apply it to amps alone, I apply it to most any audio component.
The fact that we don't all hear things the same way, has no relevence to things that can't be heard at all. -
There you go again, insulting folks that can easliy hear the differences that you can't. The thing here, William, is that no one here doubts your auditory skills. Why you continue to doubt ours, in my book, is an attitude that is nothing short of ignorant.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
Wishful sounding as it may all seem but Id never be that crazy in spending a fortune on cables, outrageous is all I can say.
Ive just made a few leads to connect from the AVR with RCA phone on one end and XLR on the other that connects to (Behringer DCX 2496) loudspeaker management system and all seem well and the cable only cost me along with XLR and RCA phones and brand new soldering iron £16.20p:p . If I was using Monster Id be well in the hundreds by now and I wouldnt be a happy bunny about it ether.
So a good common sense of affordable cable rules over expensive cables is all I can say.:) -
WilliamM2 you have an opinion but take off your blinders. 20 years ago I immediately heard and felt the difference between radio shack 12 gauge stranded brown speaker wire and the "step up" to monster cable finely stranded wire. I still vividly remember how the midrange opened up and the bass was stronger. Times have changed and I have tried other brands.
Why does it take three pages for a simple message? Try something new and if you hear a difference great. If not put your upgrade money into music or movies.
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Dontcha just love these cable debates? Yeah right........someone brought up a good analogy with car tires.All are made from rubber,yet have different performance levels.Design,thickness,quality of that rubber,all play a role in the outcome.Same in cables.Another example,I picked up a pair of Mac Soundpipes just to see what the whole Palladium thing was about.I put the I/C's Between my receiver and amp.Big difference in alot of ways,some good,some not so good as compared with my Z squared IC's.Took the soundpipes upstaires to my wifes older Sony receiver,Sony mega changer,and her glorious Bose speakers....sarcasm guys....anyhow,did not hear any difference between her rat shack cable,and the soundpipes.So this tells me the better your gear,the more it will make a difference.Going back to the tire analogy,you may not notice the difference if you put top of the line Michelin's on a Ford escort,But put those factory tires from an Escort on a Caddy or Lincoln,and you'll feel every bump in the road.Those who don't think cables make a difference.....have no experience with it and just repeat others thoughts or just don't know how to do it.Compareing similiar cables on a low-fi system will not give you a noticable difference.Is there snake oil in the cable biz? Sure is.Is there snake oil in the car biz? Sure is.No matter what the biz,always somebody trying to relieve you of your coin.Use common sence,don't blow a fist full of franklins on cables for a system that won't ever know it.Experience,discuss,thats what we do here.So if you tell me you don't hear a difference in cables in your system,I believe you.Someone else say's they can,in their system,I believe them too.You can't paint the whole debate with a broad brush and say they don't matter.HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's -
I remember looking at the (KCS) loudspeakers behind the screen at Warner village cinema back in 1998 at the Bristol site, and to my astonishment they had what looked like thick mains cable. Now this stuff doesnt cost much and they have meters to run from the booth down to the auditorium.
So try good ole heavy duty mains cable. -
hearingimpared wrote: »WilliamM2 is full of **** and hasn't provided one shread of evidence to support his stance . . . period!!!hearingimpared wrote: »We connected it between my Oppo digital out to my Timbre DACs digital in and it was like a revelation. The music opened up, the details were more three dimentional, much more air between instruments, it sounded similar to what a good LP does to the music.
I'm not sure I'm getting it, you claim that a cable somehow altered the flow of "0" and "1" while keeping the data intact? I don't know what you're smoking but please share it with the rest of us. Who needs to spend multi $$$ on cables when we can buy the drugs you're on? So far, other than biased, subjective opinions, your donation to this thread is.. Nothing?
I believe one site above all, it's a free site, the owner doesn't sell stuff so I trust him not to BS. That site is from and for audiophiles and even they have their lowpass BS filter set:
http://www.tnt-audio.com/clinica/spkcbl_e.htmlI love postwhores, are you one? -
I believe the man said nothing in the way of altering the 0's and 1's.He simply stated he heard a difference.You don't believe him,thats all well and good,so move on.Anyone who puts all their eggs in one basket,ala,one site,is surely biased to one opinion.
BTW- most things Audio are subjective anyway.
Unfu=#$ believable...first post on a new board........HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's -
Wait wait wait wait wait.. You say he heard a difference without altering the data..? Think about it again please.
As for the cables, try conducting a little test, forget double testing, this one is simpler.
Take two cables, crappy 20 years old lamp cable and the most high grade audiophile cable you can put your hands on. Now try them both and start shortening them gradually. Tell me at which length they sound exactly the same. If you claim that will never happen, then I suggest you start switching all the internal cabling inside your speakers, amplifier, your mains, your in-wall power cables and seriously consider upgrading the power grid cable between your home and the nearest power transformer.I love postwhores, are you one? -
The Naked Truth wrote:I'm not sure I'm getting it, you claim that a cable somehow altered the flow of "0" and "1" while keeping the data intact? I don't know what you're smoking but please share it with the rest of us. Who needs to spend multi $$$ on cables when we can buy the drugs you're on? So far, other than biased, subjective opinions, your donation to this thread is.. Nothing?
I believe one site above all, it's a free site, the owner doesn't sell stuff so I trust him not to BS. That site is from and for audiophiles and even they have their lowpass BS filter set:
http://www.tnt-audio.com/clinica/spkcbl_e.html
TNT welcome to Club Polk.
tnt-audio.com (any relation?) has some great reading and a following but as with all references in this thread, they are only reading material.
Some of us have experienced a few things while others are still hitting the books. Forget the 0's and 1's and the scientific approach. As much as naysayers push their agenda it is widely known that some can hear a difference and others cannot. Example: a tuning fork.
If you are stuck in the lab with micrometers, try and find another ear that's physically identical to another. Then pierce the eardrum and do some exploratory surgery to measure the ear bones and jawbone for resonant frequencies. Finally, brain waves should be measured to insure the comparisons are accurate.
How is it biased if individuals are describing what they hear versus read? -
Hit the search button dude,this discussion as been beat to death many times over.I no longer have the will for long winded idiotic babble.May I suggest,as a new member,posting for the first time on an established board,to not insult the good standing members if you would like to participate in any discussion.
As for your suggestion on shortening cables,don't know if it's true and don't care.Most people use 8 ft lengths or greater in real world application.Go to any recording studio,see how much 20 yr old lamp cord they use for mastering,you'll most likely get escorted off the property.HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's -
This is like the chicken and the egg, which came first? Is there any tail, tail signs to look for when testing different bands that clam there the best of the best? Because personally I think this whole cable issue is a load of bollocks.
Hay how comes he get a welcome, what am I chopped liver.:D -
Lets attack it from another direction then.
What are you looking for when you say "better" sound?
Do you want a perfect reproduction of the concert/studio recording, or do you want something else?
If you're looking for the latter, you want coloration and worse, go buy equalizers and a DSP (SRS?) to alter the sound to your taste.
Now, if you want the perfect reproduction, before going to the psycho/subjective stuff, let's start with what we can measure - Tonality.
Step 1: Get a pair of Sennheiser HD600 or similar earphones.
Step 2: Hook them to a decent player and listen to your favorite piece.
Step 3: Tune up your rig so that when you take the headphones off, you get the exact same sound (tonality, frequency response, stereo expansion) as your headphones.
Now, if you're still concerned with all the non-scientific buzzwords thrown in this thread like they were the words of god (not going to prove or disprove him to you, least not today), feel free to tweak some more. Cables are the last thing to make a difference, especially for money you'll be spending.I love postwhores, are you one? -
Hit the search button dude,this discussion as been beat to death many times over.I no longer have the will for long winded idiotic babble.May I suggest,as a new member,posting for the first time on an established board,to not insult the good standing members if you would like to participate in any discussion.
As for your suggestion on shortening cables,don't know if it's true and don't care.Most people use 8 ft lengths or greater in real world application.Go to any recording studio,see how much 20 yr old lamp cord they use for mastering,you'll most likely get escorted off the property.
Excuse me while I yawn..I love postwhores, are you one? -
Its just hit me I bet some of these recording studios you know the small business types, Im betting they toss out bits of cable in the dust bin, hay its worth a look you never know what you might find in the dust bin.:D
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THX 3417 wrote:Hay how comes he get a welcome, what am I chopped liver.:D
No, you smell like chopped fish.
Welcome aboard mate. -
Headphones and speakers are 2 different animals.Try again sir.You keep bringing up money,whats your idea of an expensive cable? I have a bi- wire 8 ft set for 350 clams,do you consider that expensive? Side note,list your gear so we know what and where your comming from.HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's -
I've just noticed something interesting about this thread.. The higher the post count of people in this forum, the more they're inclined to spend big $$ on their rig and believe in all kinds of hype.
I feel for you, oh yee of little social life..I love postwhores, are you one? -
If I won the national lottery, I still wouldnt buy expensive loudspeaker cable no way, they can keep it common sense comes first. I here some cables can cost anywhere up to a few hundred pounds for a single metre WTF!
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The Naked Truth wrote: »Excuse me while I yawn..
Do what you do best pal.HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's -
No, you smell like chopped fish.
Welcome aboard mate.
Hmm, Thank you, fish I do like tuna fish why can you smell my tuna fish breath. -
The Naked Truth wrote: »I've just noticed something interesting about this thread.. The higher the post count of people in this forum, the more they're inclined to spend big $$ on their rig and believe in all kinds of hype.
I feel for you, oh yee of little social life..
You mean the more experience people have,the more they realize cables do matter.HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's -
The Naked Truth wrote: »I've just noticed something interesting about this thread.. The higher the post count of people in this forum, the more they're inclined to spend big $$ on their rig and believe in all kinds of hype.
I feel for you, oh yee of little social life..
Thats a loud of Bollocks mate, who told you that tissue of lies.:D
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