6922 tube recommendations

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What would be your go to for a lush, warm presentation 6922 tube.

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  • 1960, 61, 62 Holland Heerlen made Amperex Bugle Boy 6DJ8's (large halo). Or the pricier 6922.

    A killer under the radar tube are the 70's Russian 6N23P(6Н23П) from Novosibirsk (NEVZ) or Voskhad. These rival the Amperex Holland 6922, IMO.

    Here's a good example

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/398324309588?_skw=6n23p&itmmeta=01M1YH8QQ3GF480YT1T58YZ7TE&hash=item5cbdfa9e54:g:d5QAAeSwGEZqjgyt&itmprp=enc:AQALAAAA4GfYFPkwiKCW4ZNSs2u11xCpb3PPQ32JI0Rx1X+/k0LitrdKQ4lVf0TcNTJuf23oGiR81eArxWP6okd/uiMP/IJ2dRJANr7kJDlWYBQQKNVc62TOJb3OaA3AuxeTuiquY/96ngK8J40Yo2ZmBquQFaqVU9s7pX0B0DPQh/3uKMEBxGdBOzcuDUcPfFk6nfI0NVhapBDsB/DNwTsR+SHdXIvvjYu/dMY5NB5532/6Y0gZlRH+7Fhh+59BUDaK19AjOPawqDwuUuZshqQzudF64bYAcOkhzCXWumKlSr9STR/T|tkp:Bk9SR9r7otGPaA

    Look for gray or silver shield, single wire pole getter 1970-1975. The later tubes from 1979 on are pretty run of the. mill.
    1975 is the holy grail and they are priced that way. I've found 1972, 73, 74 to be 90% of the 1975 (holy grail tube). Cost is a whole lot less.

    These are spectacular tubes

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | Galion TS P75 Pre | Holo Audio Cyan 2 Dac | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
  • I'm definitely not a Russian tube guy.
    I will say that out of all I have tried the Novosibirsk and Voskhads were far better quality. I could be wrong, my understanding is those plants were in charge of making tubes for the defense sector, planes and ICBM's.
  • heiney9
    edited September 7
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    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    I'm definitely not a Russian tube guy.
    I will say that out of all I have tried the Novosibirsk and Voskhads were far better quality. I could be wrong, my understanding is those plants were in charge of making tubes for the defense sector, planes and ICBM's.

    You're missing out.
    Early Russian tubes are excellent. 60's and 70's to mid 70's is what you need to stick with for signal tubes like the 6N1P, 6N23P, 6N6P. I use all 3 and they sound fantastic and are very robust.

    80's, 90's tubes are very average. Like the 80's and 90's American tubes.
    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | Galion TS P75 Pre | Holo Audio Cyan 2 Dac | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
  • I have some 1964 Foton black box plate square getter 6N6P that are simply sublime. Rare? Sure.....expensive relatively, but nothing like Euro/American tubes can be. I run them in my Schiit Valhalla 2 OTL pre-amp. They even have red tips meaning they are very tightly matched.

    Regular 80's 6H6P is $10-15 each. 1960's Foton like the one's I have are $45-50 each. Relative to the mediocre 80's type they are expensive. Relative to what exemplary Euro or American tubes cost....cheap.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | Galion TS P75 Pre | Holo Audio Cyan 2 Dac | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
  • pitdogg2
    edited September 7
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    Afaik, There is no direct Russian equivalent for the 12au7 or 12ax7. I've tried several 6bq5/el85 russian tubes. My preamp didn't like them one bit.
  • Russian equivalent 6Н23П-ЕВ (6N23P-EV)= 6922
    According to tube maze😉
  • heiney9
    edited September 7
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    Your right Ivan, not s direct equivalent for 12au or 12ax tubes. But the 6N23P is very similar to 6dj8. There are excellent equivalent to the 6SN and 6SL7. Again all 50s and 60s tubes. I wouldn't recommend anything after 1980 except the excellent SED Winged C from St. Petersburg EL34 and 6L6 power tubes
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | Galion TS P75 Pre | Holo Audio Cyan 2 Dac | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
  • I had some of those Russian equivalent 6922 and they were my favorite in the LSA Statement integrated. At least until they started to get microphonic after many thousands of hours. They used to be cheap and plentiful, but not anymore.
    See profile for rigs. Nothing else here.
  • heiney9
    edited September 7
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    6dj8, 6SN7, 6SL7 and 6AQ8 have excellent Russian equivalents. The 1975 6N23P from Reflektor, silver shield, single wire getter post is better than the 6922 or even the Cca or 7308 according to many.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | Galion TS P75 Pre | Holo Audio Cyan 2 Dac | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
  • There are excellent equivalent to the 6SN and 6SL7.
    You'll get no disagreement from me. I wish I had bought a bushel basket full of the USSR 6sn7 MELZ with the holes in the T-plates. They were $15-$20 a pair! Everything U.S. was $35-$50 a pair. The MELZ are getting very hard to get now and much much more expensive. The MELZ designation was Moscow Electric & Light, I'm drawing a blank on the Z 🤷🏼‍♂️
  • Yeah, I can't bring myself to purchase any Melz 6S*7 equivalent tubes. The gear I use them in doesn't justify the cost. 1961 Foton 6H8C for a 6SN7 is an excellent tube.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | Galion TS P75 Pre | Holo Audio Cyan 2 Dac | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
  • Thanks for all the recommendations! Much appreciated.
  • Have you considered 7308's? I preferred a 7308 over a 6922 in my Bottelhead Eros phono pre.

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  • SCompRacer wrote: »
    Have you considered 7308's? I preferred a 7308 over a 6922 in my Bottelhead Eros phono pre.

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    I did look into the 7308's (Amperex Holland ) but I wasn't ready for that sticker shock. $800 for a matched pair...yikes! I'm sure there's others out there without the pricetag. I'll keep looking.
  • SCompRacer
    edited September 8
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    Oh my, I haven't been tube shopping for a while! I built the Eros in 2015 and only need one 6922/7308. I think I got the single Amperex 7308 from Carl.

    The Eros uses two EF86 tubes (typically used in Neumann U67 microphones) as first gain stage. I would have liked to get some better Telefunken EF806S but they commanded a high price, like ~ $280 each. At the time Tele EF86 were $100 each.

    When Norm and I had ModWright gear, Bendix 6900's were the holy grail tubes, around $800 a pair. I did some research and learned MU Engineering purchased Bendix tube division and rebranded existing stock. We got those for $300 a pair until word got out they were essentially rebranded or made with Bendix tooling.
    Salk SoundScape 8's * Audio Research Reference 3 * Bottlehead Eros Phono * Park's Audio Budgie SUT * Krell KSA-250 * Harmonic Technology Pro 9+ * Signature Series Sonore Music Server w/Deux PS * Roon * Gustard R26 DAC / Singxer SU-6 DDC * Heavy Plinth Lenco L75 Idler Drive * AA MG-1 Linear Air Bearing Arm * AT33PTG/II & Denon 103R * Richard Gray 600S * NHT B-12d subs * GIK Acoustic Treatments * Sennheiser HD650 *
  • Tube prices have escalated upwards dramatically in the last 3-4 yrs.