This is why physical media is a must

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pitdogg2
pitdogg2 Posts: 27,645
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Think you own the digital media you've bought and downloaded fair and square? Think again, I feel this is only the beginning.
https://www.windowscentral.com/gaming/xbox/quote-of-the-day-by-gabe-newell-piracy-is-not-a-pricing-issue-its-a-service-issue-sony-just-proved-why-digital-storefronts-are-broken
https://www.tomshardware.com/video-games/playstation/playstation-is-removing-over-500-movies-from-uk-customers-accounts-with-no-refunds-iconic-films-like-terminator-2-apocalypse-now-and-mulholland-drive-are-getting-deleted
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  • billbillw
    billbillw Posts: 7,981
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    Check out Louis Rossman's channel on YouTube. He is very vocal about this too. I've never bought a digital version of a movie. Always go for the disc. The discs typically have much higher bandwidth for the video and audio as well.
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 27,645
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    billbillw wrote: »
    The discs typically have much higher bandwidth for the video and audio as well.
    Absolutely! The Mpeg4 compression to transmit the bits leaves a LOT to be desired.

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 52,204
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    Exactly why I own physical media.
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  • msg
    msg Posts: 10,566
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    Wow. I'm not surprised.

    To @billbillw 's point re: bandwidth and quality...

    I've streamed content for years, despite the flaws and drawbacks. It worked, and had been "good enough", since I'm not as into HT/video as much as audio, and don't want a giant collection of dvds, only my favorites, or rarities.

    Then I finally hooked up the OPPO 103 I got from @skipshot12 several years ago to watch some stuff not available for streaming, nor even digital purchase. I shouldn't have been as blown away by the visual and audio quality improvements as I was, but I was. It was quite pleasing. No banding, smooth transitions, noticeably richer audio and surround performance.
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 18,314
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    I use Streaming for convenience (qubuz), and the quality is there, I actually love it.
    I don't purchase Digital Formats, I purchase what Vinyl, and SACD's I want to own, very rarely do I buy a standard CD anymore, especially if I can have it on vinyl..

    I also purchase what bluray's especially 4K if I really want or like the movie..

    I can also admit that my OPPO Players don't see the use they once did, since I upgraded my TT setup, it's more about the vinyl when playing physical media. That doesn't keep me from purchasing SACD's when they become available, I would rather have it when I want it..
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  • gudnoyez
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    Toolfan66 wrote: »
    I use Streaming for convenience (qubuz), and the quality is there, I actually love it.
    I don't purchase Digital Formats, I purchase what Vinyl, and SACD's I want to own, very rarely do I buy a standard CD anymore, especially if I can have it on vinyl..

    I also purchase what bluray's especially 4K if I really want or like the movie..

    This I use Tidal for convience own enough physical media. I only buy 4k for movies SACD or Blu-Ray for music.

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  • xschop
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    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    Think you own the digital media you've bought and downloaded fair and square? Think again, I feel this is only the beginning.
    https://www.windowscentral.com/gaming/xbox/quote-of-the-day-by-gabe-newell-piracy-is-not-a-pricing-issue-its-a-service-issue-sony-just-proved-why-digital-storefronts-are-broken
    https://www.tomshardware.com/video-games/playstation/playstation-is-removing-over-500-movies-from-uk-customers-accounts-with-no-refunds-iconic-films-like-terminator-2-apocalypse-now-and-mulholland-drive-are-getting-deleted

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  • Emlyn
    Emlyn Posts: 4,886
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    One of the problems is the complex way TV shows, and to a lesser extent movies, have been produced and distributed and subsequent production studio buyouts and competition. They're all hungry for content so they can get paying subscribers on streaming services and have been making deals that aren't really of benefit to people who want to watch programs at home. One example is the show Homeland that was on Showtime for several seasons so it would make sense that their service would still have it. Nope. It was produced by Fox 21 which was bought out by Disney and the show streams on Hulu which is owned by Disney. Showtime is owned by Paramount.

    I buy physical media. Only problem I have is I'd have to live to be 200 years old to watch most of it. B)

    This is the usual legal disclaimer a service like Fandango has for anything that is purchased from them (indicating that a purchase is a license rather than an ownership right and can be terminated at any time without refund):

    Future Changes Regarding Fandango at Home Purchased Content.
    If we change any part of the Services, which we may do in our sole discretion, you acknowledge that you may not be able to access, view, or use the Content, including the Fandango at Home Purchased Content or Authorized Devices at all or in the same manner as prior to such changes, and you agree that we will not have any liability to you in such case. We reserve the right to modify, suspend, or discontinue access to Content, including the Fandango at Home Purchased Content at any time without notice to you, and we will not be liable to you should we exercise such rights. We also reserve the right to institute a charge in the future for continued access to Fandango at Home Purchased Content, but notice shall be provided to you prior to instituting such a charge. You may download and store your own copy of Fandango at Home Purchased Content, that is purchased on an EST Basis, on certain Authorized Devices so that you can view that Content without additional charge.
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  • pitdogg2
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    That whole thing ^^^^ right there is 100% the reason Divix failed. Buy a movie on Divix disc and you able to watch a very limited amount of times. They could also delete your ability to watch it at any time, so you're were stuck with a useless piece of plastic.
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  • motorhead43026
    motorhead43026 Posts: 4,056
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    May I also suggest physical gold and silver.
    Since we don’t know where we are going we have to stick together in case someone gets there….Ken Kesey

    Just because the monkey has temporarily put the gun down doesn't mean we aren't STILL LOCKED IN A ROOM WITH A MONKEY WITH A LOADED GUN

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  • EndersShadow
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    I don’t buy as much physical media as I used to but I do buy a lot of movies if they are good (Dune as an example).

    King Fu Panda is fine to stream lol…..

    It’s also actually hard to find a lot of newer artists on physical media and as someone into EDM that’s even more the case.
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  • Emlyn
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    I didn't notice this part at first, although I've never experienced it: We also reserve the right to institute a charge in the future for continued access to Fandango at Home Purchased Content, but notice shall be provided to you prior to instituting such a charge.

    That would be like someone leasing a car with a value of $50,000 and later being told the value increased to $60,000 so pay up or stop driving. There may be laws that prevent that. LOL
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 35,422
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    In fairness, when it comes to physical media, one owns the medium (media), not the content. One has a license to that content. Fortunately, except back in that RIAA "taping kills music" phase, those licenses are fairly seldom put to the test.
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    That said...
    Not that I would ever encourage unlawful nor illegal behavior, nay, not even behavior of questionable ethics... but... there is always the option of streaming to Mylar. B)
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    Kids, don't try this at home!
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  • billbillw
    billbillw Posts: 7,981
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    EndersShadow wrote: »
    I don’t buy as much physical media as I used to but I do buy a lot of movies if they are good (Dune as an example).

    King Fu Panda is fine to stream lol…..

    It’s also actually hard to find a lot of newer artists on physical media and as someone into EDM that’s even more the case.

    I agree many smaller artists outside of the mainstream music business only release the web/download versions of their music. Most purchased music can be downloaded and saved locally so they really can't take it away after you buy it.
    The Sony garbage that started this thread is for movies purchased through the PlayStation store. Those really aren't stored locally without DRM that checks the Sony servers before playing. Most FLAC or ALAC downloads don't have any DRM, so you can always play them or burn to a CD-R if you really want "physical media."
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  • skipshot12
    skipshot12 Posts: 2,110
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    msg… glad you’re enjoying the Oppo.

    Physical only for me.
    I own what I buy.
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  • bcwsrt
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    motorhead43026 wrote: »
    May I also suggest physical gold and silver.

    Easier to buy than sell ...

    Brian

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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 27,645
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    bcwsrt wrote: »
    motorhead43026 wrote: »
    May I also suggest physical gold and silver.

    Easier to buy than sell ...

    Are we talking physically having gold in hand or paper that states you have some, somewhere....maybe?
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  • motorhead43026
    motorhead43026 Posts: 4,056
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    The real stuff that you can touch, fondle and stack.
    Since we don’t know where we are going we have to stick together in case someone gets there….Ken Kesey

    Just because the monkey has temporarily put the gun down doesn't mean we aren't STILL LOCKED IN A ROOM WITH A MONKEY WITH A LOADED GUN

    Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper REALLY likes you.
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 27,645
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    motorhead43026 wrote: »
    The real stuff that you can touch, fondle and stack.

    That's hard to sell why?
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  • motorhead43026
    motorhead43026 Posts: 4,056
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    Never had a problem selling gold or silver, as easy to sell as it is to buy. Although I’ve not sold much over the last twenty years.

    Someone else made the comment “hard to sell”
    Since we don’t know where we are going we have to stick together in case someone gets there….Ken Kesey

    Just because the monkey has temporarily put the gun down doesn't mean we aren't STILL LOCKED IN A ROOM WITH A MONKEY WITH A LOADED GUN

    Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper REALLY likes you.
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  • bcwsrt
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    That would be me.

    Try selling silver anywhere close to spot or melt price.

    If you find a source, lemme know!

    Brian

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  • Viking64
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    "Physical Media" is my favorite Led Zeppelin album but "Antilles Last Stand" is my favorite Led Zeppelin song.
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 27,645
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    Viking64 wrote: »
    "Physical Media" is my favorite Led Zeppelin album but "Antilles Last Stand" is my favorite Led Zeppelin song.

    Did you hear that! Jimmy, your mother's calling ......

    😂😂
    bcwsrt wrote: »
    That would be me.
    Try selling silver anywhere close to spot or melt price.
    If you find a source, lemme know!
    I went to a local jewelry store that has been in town doing their thing longer than I've been alive. For laughs I went to the local pawn shop, talk about needing to be hard up and stupid to take that deal. The jewelry store gave me what I thought was a respectable amount. They showed me the spot and it was 60/40 split. They will have some cost in melting it down to sell for the store.
    It was all old jewelry that my parents and grandparent had. I'm glad I just took the heap in. Some if the jewelry I thought was sceptical, was in fact the higher dollar pieces. One I thought was Da'bomb, was um not.....still worth something. It was prettier than worth.
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  • VR3
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    This place ein Charlotte is legit

    Prices posted on their website and update every 15 minutes

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  • Dabutcher
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    Sony just announced that the PS5 systems with disc drives and physical game discs are going away permanently. Only online purchases. The gaming community is pissed!
    Peace. D



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  • skipshot12
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    bcwsrt wrote: »
    That would be me.

    Try selling silver anywhere close to spot or melt price.

    If you find a source, lemme know!

    I bought silver from JMBullion years ago.
    Sold my silver back to them, last year and, over spot price.

    They’re really good to deal with.
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  • Viking64
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  • polrbehr
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    motorhead43026 wrote: »
    The real stuff that you can touch, fondle and stack.

    Sort of like that brass-ish stuff... eh never mind.
    So, are you willing to put forth a little effort or are you happy sitting in your skeptical poo pile?


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  • dogwallop
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    I've been saying this for years. Digital storefronts are just subscriptions with extra steps.

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