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mantis
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If over the last decade or more we have been purchasing energy efficient appliances, TV's LED light bulbs etc right?
But yet when we have a heat wave the power grid is in trouble? If most people are using energy efficient devices , why hasn't our electric gone down? But only to go up and up.
So what , we don't invest into infrastructure ?
can anyone explain this to me?
Lets talk
If over the last decade or more we have been purchasing energy efficient appliances, TV's LED light bulbs etc right?
But yet when we have a heat wave the power grid is in trouble? If most people are using energy efficient devices , why hasn't our electric gone down? But only to go up and up.
So what , we don't invest into infrastructure ?
can anyone explain this to me?
Lets talk
Dan
My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
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EV's are not energy efficient on the electrical grid, nor are enormous data centers. The grid needs a major overhaul, yet no one seems to want to pay the bill to do this. Then there is the addition of millions of new homes placed on the same outdated grid.
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One word - GROWTH. At least where I am, apartments and new homes are going up like crazy. Each one of them with their own energy needs. Think of all the housing growth (single and multi-family), and ask yourself how many new power plants you’ve heard of…“Human beings are born with different capacities. If they are free, they are not equal. And if they are equal, they are not free.”
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Bingo !! Heck we have closed more than one in Illinois, we've not built one in decades. The nuclear power plant near me has just been "recertified" it was to be decommissioned a decade ago. Take into account if one was approved today it would take about 20 yrs to come online. The amount of mismanagement in government is astounding. They seem to be more focused on anything BUT a new power plant or refinery to modernize those that are approaching 50 yrs or moreThink of all the housing growth (single and multi-family), and ask yourself how many new power plants you’ve heard of… -
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I blame you guys. I think it all started here, with my exposure to you yahoos.
I don't like it. It's not fun. Cynicism, I mean.
And get outta my yard.
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More people, more houses. More big houses with bigger cooling demands. But I get what you're saying.
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Bingo !! Heck we have closed more than one in Illinois, we've not built one in decades. The nuclear power plant near me has just been "recertified" it was to be decommissioned a decade ago. Take into account if one was approved today it would take about 20 yrs to come online. The amount of mismanagement in government is astounding. They seem to be more focused on anything BUT a new power plant or refinery to modernize those that are approaching 50 yrs or moreThink of all the housing growth (single and multi-family), and ask yourself how many new power plants you’ve heard of…
Windmills and solar farms! 🙄
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Bingo !! Heck we have closed more than one in Illinois, we've not built one in decades. The nuclear power plant near me has just been "recertified" it was to be decommissioned a decade ago. Take into account if one was approved today it would take about 20 yrs to come online. The amount of mismanagement in government is astounding. They seem to be more focused on anything BUT a new power plant or refinery to modernize those that are approaching 50 yrs or moreThink of all the housing growth (single and multi-family), and ask yourself how many new power plants you’ve heard of…
Windmills and solar farms! 🙄
You know, that's fine and dandy to an extent. Step back and take a look at the big picture and you see those produce less than 1% of our needs. -
Nuclear is the ONLY answer. Small footprint, no carbon emissions, and statistically the safest form of power generation we know of.“Human beings are born with different capacities. If they are free, they are not equal. And if they are equal, they are not free.”
― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn -
Bingo !! Heck we have closed more than one in Illinois, we've not built one in decades. The nuclear power plant near me has just been "recertified" it was to be decommissioned a decade ago. Take into account if one was approved today it would take about 20 yrs to come online. The amount of mismanagement in government is astounding. They seem to be more focused on anything BUT a new power plant or refinery to modernize those that are approaching 50 yrs or moreThink of all the housing growth (single and multi-family), and ask yourself how many new power plants you’ve heard of…
Windmills and solar farms! 🙄
You know, that's fine and dandy to an extent. Step back and take a look at the big picture and you see those produce less than 1% of our needs.
If it were 2005 1% would be correct, not now.
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=67367Since we don’t know where we are going we have to stick together in case someone gets there….Ken Kesey
Just because the monkey has temporarily put the gun down doesn't mean we aren't STILL LOCKED IN A ROOM WITH A MONKEY WITH A LOADED GUN
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Interesting fact: more than half of the energy used by utilities to generate and transmit electricity in the US is lost because of how electricity is generated and transmitted to customers
Second interesting fact: around 40% of the electricity generated in the US is now through either nuclear or renewable sources rather than from fossil fuels (about the same as China)
France gets about 70 percent of its electricity from nuclear power
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motorhead43026 wrote: »
Bingo !! Heck we have closed more than one in Illinois, we've not built one in decades. The nuclear power plant near me has just been "recertified" it was to be decommissioned a decade ago. Take into account if one was approved today it would take about 20 yrs to come online. The amount of mismanagement in government is astounding. They seem to be more focused on anything BUT a new power plant or refinery to modernize those that are approaching 50 yrs or moreThink of all the housing growth (single and multi-family), and ask yourself how many new power plants you’ve heard of…
Windmills and solar farms! 🙄
You know, that's fine and dandy to an extent. Step back and take a look at the big picture and you see those produce less than 1% of our needs.
If it were 2005 1% would be correct, not now.
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=67367
According to that info, which I have doubts about, unreliable wind/solar accounted for 17% while traditional reliable sources accounted for 75%. I presume they left out the other reliable 8% of hydro sources on purpose.Wind and solar are considered intermittent electricity sources, meaning they only produce electricity when the resource (wind or sun) is available, unlike dispatchable power plants. Dispatchable sources, such as natural gas, coal, and nuclear power, can operate as base-load generating units, and combined, they accounted for 75% of U.S. utility-scale electricity generation in 2025.Political Correctness'.........defined
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Two words “storage batteries” which will bridge the gap of intermittent solar and wind. Estimates of up to $100B between now and 2030 will be spent on batteries alone.
Ironically TX is the current leader in storage battery use followed by CA. They swap leads year to year.
Get your bets in as this industry will be the next big thing driven by AI energy demands. Should in the next decade to be a trillion dollar market.
Buy Tesla and Fluence Energy hands over fists. These are the two majors in battery storage.
Since we don’t know where we are going we have to stick together in case someone gets there….Ken Kesey
Just because the monkey has temporarily put the gun down doesn't mean we aren't STILL LOCKED IN A ROOM WITH A MONKEY WITH A LOADED GUN
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Transformers have the highest efficiency of all machines ever produced. 97-99%.
The loss of transmitted power from generation to end users is around 5%.
No taking into account the heat loss that’s generated at fossil fuel power plants in converting the burn to turning the turbines. -
Thermodynamics puts pretty strict limits on the capabilities of electrochemical storage cells (batteries).
Nuclear (fission) power is great... right up to that issue of spent fuel. It's the gift* that keeps on giving.
Sustained, controllable nuclear fusion still holds ample promise for the future -- but achieving that goal has continued to elude our species.
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* Auf Deutsch, the noun das Gift means [the] poison.
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There are reactor designs that produce far less spent fuel waste than the typical LWR designs that dominate currently. Research was set back after 3-mile and Chernobyl accidents, but I think sentiments are changing worldwide.
Hopefully we see commercial breeder designs and Thorium cycle designs come forth.
It is also possible to recycle spent fuel, but it was banned in the USA by Carter. The ban was removed by Reagan, but it was never really explored until recently. DOE has started researching the recycling techniques again and some private industry is also starting to look at the process.
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All true. The incremental improvements mentioned above aren't irrelevant, either, but production and dealing with fissile materials cradle to grave is and will remain a substantial issue. It's baked into the physics, unfortunately.
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These electric power plants were supposed to be strained 40 years ago, and our part was to buy energy-efficient bulbs and appliances. We did that.
We hoped the electric bill would go down, but I don't think it went down that much.
Last Winter, we had people with bills 3 times what was normal. It was cold, but something seemed off. We were lucky we live in a 1200 sft. home. Well insulated too.
It was said earlier in this thread, THE NEW HOMES AND APARTMENT BUILDINGS, AND CONDOS ARE MASSIVE.
If our grid was strained 40 years ago, why were the builders allowed to build 10 times more electrical needs on the SAME SYSTEM?
As said earlier, no new plants were built here. There are probably a million new places that need electricity around here. Shopping centers are EVERYWHERE now. The electricity they must need must equal 50 to a hundred homes each.
I don't mind paying to have comforts of life but don't play us for fools.
The elec. Co started adding so called RIDERS that increase or bill by around 40.00 to 50.00 each month now. One is called an "improvement rider". No description of what improvements. I'll bet it is the cost to supply the massive costs incurred by all this MASSIVE infrastructure building going on.
The developers should be paying for the "improvement riders" cost!
Also, I think our property taxes should be zero by now since there are a million new homes and apartment complexes being built by the thousands and thousands!
We're being played by the elites!
WE'VE BEEN PLAYED!
Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
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Our photovoltaics are, so far, meeting 100% of our needs, and we bank energy for the dark, cold months. Haven't paid an electric bill for well over a year -- other than the ca. $14 per month "connection charge".
PS I love our heat pumps on days like today. Very pleasant in the house. Rather less so outside.
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What do you honestly keep your temperature at?
Tom~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
Inside's been at 71 today. But -- this ain't Texas, you know?
It's not even NoVA (DC 'burbs), where it's been in the low 100s. I think our son & daughter-in-law were happy to be up here most of the past week.
Low 90s and very humid today. Now in the mid-70s outside. Much prettier sky and air, but still pretty humid.
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71 is normal, in certain areas. 78 IMO is where folks start to look for A/C companies. It's rediculous!
Tom~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
71 feels comfortable to me after being outside today.
I cut the grass in the main garden's paths and perimeter today. It actually wasn't bad (did it at 5 pm) but it was way nicer inside. Dry, too.
It wasn't quite July in Baltimore weather here yesterday & today, but it was distressingly close.
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It is July in Baltimore weather right here & now.
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Gorgeous here Sunday. Cool and drizzly today.
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Without getting into the weeds too far, it’s getting pretty frustrating in NY. I’ve dumped money into energy efficient this and that…
All the smart stuff and all the stuff that’s supposed to save me “in the end”.
Yet my bills have only gone up. As I use less energy (electricity and natural gas), my “delivery charges” have been going up to not only replace my savings, but exceed them.
A high bill used to be $300/month. Now, it’s $650/month. Yet, my usage has dropped, year over year.
I’m seriously considering converting my house in the suburbs to “off grid”.
Battery costs are the seriously limiting factor at this point, especially because of our winter months.
The solar array having to be on the roof is also a serious let down. I don’t have the land in the suburbs to put it wherever I want. So if I want to be serious about it, roof it is.
