Mogami Speaker cable

Geoff4rfc
Geoff4rfc Posts: 2,915
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Does anyone have any experience with this cable? Specifically 12x2? I believe I've seen it mentioned in this forum some years back.
Set up: 11.2 HT + 2ch

AVP: Marantz AV8802A - Sources: BRP Panasonic UB9000/CDP Emotiva ERC 3 - DAC: Denafrips Venus - Display: LG OLED EVO 83 C3 - Amplification: Emotiva XPA-DR3, XPA-6, XPA-2 x 2 - Speakers: Focal/PolkAudio, Mains/2ch - Kanta No2, C - Sopra, SS - LSiM702, WS - RTiA9, RS - RTiA9, FH - RTiA3 - Subs: Epik Empires x 2

Cables: Mogami AES from CDP to DAC - AQ McKenzie XLR from DAC to AVP to amp for 2ch, Emotiva XLR's for the rest - Douglasconnection: Furutech Alpha 36 12g speaker wire for 2ch, Furez 10x2/Canare 4S11 speaker wire for the rest - AQ Forest48 HDMI for the display, AQ Carbon48 HDMI from BRP to AVP - VR3 filtered power cables for CDP, BRP and AVP, Emotiva power cables for the amps - AudioQuest 707 power conditioner.

EXPERIENCE: next to nothing, but I sure enjoy audio and video MY OPINION OF THIS HOBBY: I may not be a smart man, but I know what quicksand is.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 29,515
    this one? https://www.parts-express.com/Mogami-W3103-1-ft.-Superflexible-High-Definition-2-x-12-AWG-103-1023?quantity=1

    At that price I would be using the Supra Rondo for less money or make a shotgun build with the Rondox4
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  • Geoff4rfc
    Geoff4rfc Posts: 2,915
    Yes sir, that's the one. I see it on Even Horizon and Services for about 10 cents a foot cheaper. I ordered my Mogami AES cable from them for the DAC I have coming.
    Set up: 11.2 HT + 2ch

    AVP: Marantz AV8802A - Sources: BRP Panasonic UB9000/CDP Emotiva ERC 3 - DAC: Denafrips Venus - Display: LG OLED EVO 83 C3 - Amplification: Emotiva XPA-DR3, XPA-6, XPA-2 x 2 - Speakers: Focal/PolkAudio, Mains/2ch - Kanta No2, C - Sopra, SS - LSiM702, WS - RTiA9, RS - RTiA9, FH - RTiA3 - Subs: Epik Empires x 2

    Cables: Mogami AES from CDP to DAC - AQ McKenzie XLR from DAC to AVP to amp for 2ch, Emotiva XLR's for the rest - Douglasconnection: Furutech Alpha 36 12g speaker wire for 2ch, Furez 10x2/Canare 4S11 speaker wire for the rest - AQ Forest48 HDMI for the display, AQ Carbon48 HDMI from BRP to AVP - VR3 filtered power cables for CDP, BRP and AVP, Emotiva power cables for the amps - AudioQuest 707 power conditioner.

    EXPERIENCE: next to nothing, but I sure enjoy audio and video MY OPINION OF THIS HOBBY: I may not be a smart man, but I know what quicksand is.
    When I was young, I was Superman but now that old age has gotten the best of me I'm only Batman
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 29,515
    Mogami makes good stuff, I have their XLR cables.

    Dollar for dollar the Supra Rondo is just great wire. Very high strand count, flexible, sounds great.

    https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/speaker-wire/supra-rondo-2x2.5mm-speaker-wire-per-foot-13-awg/
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  • billbillw
    billbillw Posts: 7,710
    edited February 17
    It seems like every few years, every forum has their favorite DIY speaker cable of the month/year. The OFC version of Canare StarQuad (4S11G) also makes a great speaker cable and is cheaper. You can essentially build an 11AWG shotgun in one cable run. There is also a coax version of Mogami (W3802) that some people really love although I'm not really a fan of coax for speaker.
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 27,188
    Mogami also makes a good one.
    https://www.parts-express.com/Mogami-W3104-1-ft.-Superflexible-High-Definition-4-x-12-AWG-103-1026?
    https://www.redco.com/Mogami-W3104.html
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 29,515
    I dunno as you start to reach 10 a ft there's so many options.

    Dh labs t14 is stellar

    Duelund dca16 is a favorite of mine

    It's not all about the gauge. The duelund dca line in cloth is freaking amazing wiring. My entire rig from ethernet to speaker is duelund dca
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 35,167
    VR3 wrote: »
    ...
    Duelund dca16 is a favorite of mine

    It's not all about the gauge. The duelund dca line in cloth is freaking amazing wiring. My entire rig from ethernet to speaker is duelund dca

    FWIW: Duelund wire of various kinds is (are?) a big fave of the tubes 'n' horns crowd that I run with. :)
    There's a little bit here and there in my hifi, but I haven't made the plunge (yet).
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 29,515
    edited February 17
    The new 10 gauge stuff is so good, no idea why duelund doesn't show off the cross section of it but it's vastly superior winding to the 12 gauge stuff. Very very impressed
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,554
    In the Professional world, Mogami is considered one of the very best cable companies. Another one that is highly rated would be Daddario which is what I use along with Mogami. I love their build your own solder less cables, I use it thoughout my entire Guitar rig.

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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 27,188
    edited February 17
    VR3 wrote: »
    The new 10 gauge stuff is so good, no idea why duelund doesn't show off the cross section of it but it's vastly superior winding to the 12 gauge stuff. Very very impressed
    https://www.hificollective.co.uk/wire/duelund-dca10ga-tinned-multistrand-copper-wire-cotton-oil-insulated.html
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    This what you're looking for Trey?
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 29,515
    Hificollective.co.uk to their rescue, that's it. Duelunds marketing arm doesn't do much but they post on Facebook pretty regularly

    Great wire, not cheap but excellent
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  • billbillw
    billbillw Posts: 7,710
    edited February 17
    The Dueland cable is not exactly known for being neutral. I'd advise anyone to evaluate their system and figure out if they want or need more vintage sound and harmonics before jumping on that bandwagon.
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  • skipshot12
    skipshot12 Posts: 2,075
    What's the reason for tinning a copper cable with such a poor conducting solder?
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 27,188
    skipshot12 wrote: »
    What's the reason for tinning a copper cable with such a poor conducting solder?

    Copper corrosion
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  • billbillw
    billbillw Posts: 7,710
    It supposedly reduces the skin effect as well.
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  • ALL212
    ALL212 Posts: 1,659
    Mogami makes good wire. I use it on many of my custom made interconnects and some speaker wire.

    Currently not in use:

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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,554
    Hell I might pick up some Mogami 12-2 Speaker wire and build it myself. I've been wanting to try out these Rhodium Banana plugs anyway by Viborg
    https://www.amazon.com/stores/page/E11FA842-8354-4140-BF3C-D1ABB8781478?ingress=2&lp_context_asin=B09HGPBS6B&lp_context_query=rhodium banana plugs&visitId=dfa3d420-1404-481d-a95b-8c203a3cb0a5&store_ref=bl_ast_dp_brandLogo_sto&ref_=ast_bln
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,912
    For years people have talked about how poor the tinned copper wire Polk used in their vintage speakers was because it is tinned, but now that Duelund has put their name on basically the same stuff it's great!?!

    I've got a bridge to sell ya.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 29,515
    The vintage Polk wiring is a very low strand count wire versus duelund and the supra rondo.

    I'm a big fan of tinned copper but not a big fan of the stuff Polk used as far as quality goes.

    It definitely has held up compared to straight copper wire I have seen in older speakers.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,912
    Uh-huh
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,912
    No reason to tin the combination of fine angel hair and solid copper wires in these cables as oxygen has no chance of reaching the wires. Just saying...
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    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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  • Viking64
    Viking64 Posts: 7,598
    edited February 18
    I can't stop thinking about the film "Billy Jack". B)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjGnvst6AmA&t=1s
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 29,515
    F1nut wrote: »
    No reason to tin the combination of fine angel hair and solid copper wires in these cables as oxygen has no chance of reaching the wires. Just saying...
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    Big money cables there 😁
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  • Geoff4rfc
    Geoff4rfc Posts: 2,915
    mantis wrote: »
    Hell I might pick up some Mogami 12-2 Speaker wire and build it myself. I've been wanting to try out these Rhodium Banana plugs anyway by Viborg
    https://www.amazon.com/stores/page/E11FA842-8354-4140-BF3C-D1ABB8781478?ingress=2&lp_context_asin=B09HGPBS6B&lp_context_query=rhodium banana plugs&visitId=dfa3d420-1404-481d-a95b-8c203a3cb0a5&store_ref=bl_ast_dp_brandLogo_sto&ref_=ast_bln

    I've been using Viborg bananas for a while now. Silver plated copper on the mains and pure copper on the rest. I'll use the pure copper for the Mogami cables for a new 3.0 set up.
    Set up: 11.2 HT + 2ch

    AVP: Marantz AV8802A - Sources: BRP Panasonic UB9000/CDP Emotiva ERC 3 - DAC: Denafrips Venus - Display: LG OLED EVO 83 C3 - Amplification: Emotiva XPA-DR3, XPA-6, XPA-2 x 2 - Speakers: Focal/PolkAudio, Mains/2ch - Kanta No2, C - Sopra, SS - LSiM702, WS - RTiA9, RS - RTiA9, FH - RTiA3 - Subs: Epik Empires x 2

    Cables: Mogami AES from CDP to DAC - AQ McKenzie XLR from DAC to AVP to amp for 2ch, Emotiva XLR's for the rest - Douglasconnection: Furutech Alpha 36 12g speaker wire for 2ch, Furez 10x2/Canare 4S11 speaker wire for the rest - AQ Forest48 HDMI for the display, AQ Carbon48 HDMI from BRP to AVP - VR3 filtered power cables for CDP, BRP and AVP, Emotiva power cables for the amps - AudioQuest 707 power conditioner.

    EXPERIENCE: next to nothing, but I sure enjoy audio and video MY OPINION OF THIS HOBBY: I may not be a smart man, but I know what quicksand is.
    When I was young, I was Superman but now that old age has gotten the best of me I'm only Batman
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 29,515
    viborg makes very nice connectors!
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  • Geoff4rfc
    Geoff4rfc Posts: 2,915
    mantis wrote: »
    Hell I might pick up some Mogami 12-2 Speaker wire and build it myself. I've been wanting to try out these Rhodium Banana plugs anyway by Viborg
    https://www.amazon.com/stores/page/E11FA842-8354-4140-BF3C-D1ABB8781478?ingress=2&lp_context_asin=B09HGPBS6B&lp_context_query=rhodium banana plugs&visitId=dfa3d420-1404-481d-a95b-8c203a3cb0a5&store_ref=bl_ast_dp_brandLogo_sto&ref_=ast_bln

    @mantis I've seen those however I stick with the pure copper version of this plug throughout my system. I do however use the sliver plated bananas for the 2ch mains.
    Set up: 11.2 HT + 2ch

    AVP: Marantz AV8802A - Sources: BRP Panasonic UB9000/CDP Emotiva ERC 3 - DAC: Denafrips Venus - Display: LG OLED EVO 83 C3 - Amplification: Emotiva XPA-DR3, XPA-6, XPA-2 x 2 - Speakers: Focal/PolkAudio, Mains/2ch - Kanta No2, C - Sopra, SS - LSiM702, WS - RTiA9, RS - RTiA9, FH - RTiA3 - Subs: Epik Empires x 2

    Cables: Mogami AES from CDP to DAC - AQ McKenzie XLR from DAC to AVP to amp for 2ch, Emotiva XLR's for the rest - Douglasconnection: Furutech Alpha 36 12g speaker wire for 2ch, Furez 10x2/Canare 4S11 speaker wire for the rest - AQ Forest48 HDMI for the display, AQ Carbon48 HDMI from BRP to AVP - VR3 filtered power cables for CDP, BRP and AVP, Emotiva power cables for the amps - AudioQuest 707 power conditioner.

    EXPERIENCE: next to nothing, but I sure enjoy audio and video MY OPINION OF THIS HOBBY: I may not be a smart man, but I know what quicksand is.
    When I was young, I was Superman but now that old age has gotten the best of me I'm only Batman
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  • mrloren
    mrloren Posts: 2,474
    I like my Canare 4S11, works great
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  • invalid
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    VR3 wrote: »
    I dunno as you start to reach 10 a ft there's so many options.

    Dh labs t14 is stellar

    Duelund dca16 is a favorite of mine

    It's not all about the gauge. The duelund dca line in cloth is freaking amazing wiring. My entire rig from ethernet to speaker is duelund dca

    The Duelund is a modern copy of the old Western Electric wire.
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  • Geoff4rfc
    Geoff4rfc Posts: 2,915
    mrloren wrote: »
    I like my Canare 4S11, works great

    I use that as well for a few speakers in the main. I'm trying the Mogami for the BDRM set up.
    Set up: 11.2 HT + 2ch

    AVP: Marantz AV8802A - Sources: BRP Panasonic UB9000/CDP Emotiva ERC 3 - DAC: Denafrips Venus - Display: LG OLED EVO 83 C3 - Amplification: Emotiva XPA-DR3, XPA-6, XPA-2 x 2 - Speakers: Focal/PolkAudio, Mains/2ch - Kanta No2, C - Sopra, SS - LSiM702, WS - RTiA9, RS - RTiA9, FH - RTiA3 - Subs: Epik Empires x 2

    Cables: Mogami AES from CDP to DAC - AQ McKenzie XLR from DAC to AVP to amp for 2ch, Emotiva XLR's for the rest - Douglasconnection: Furutech Alpha 36 12g speaker wire for 2ch, Furez 10x2/Canare 4S11 speaker wire for the rest - AQ Forest48 HDMI for the display, AQ Carbon48 HDMI from BRP to AVP - VR3 filtered power cables for CDP, BRP and AVP, Emotiva power cables for the amps - AudioQuest 707 power conditioner.

    EXPERIENCE: next to nothing, but I sure enjoy audio and video MY OPINION OF THIS HOBBY: I may not be a smart man, but I know what quicksand is.
    When I was young, I was Superman but now that old age has gotten the best of me I'm only Batman
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