My deal of the century!

EndersShadow
EndersShadow Posts: 17,682
edited July 18 in The Clubhouse
I frequent various online classifieds on occasion and earlier last week an ad for some free speakers caught my attention. They were from a company named Freid that I’d never heard of before and didn’t have a ton of online information. The person giving them away had gotten them from his brother, who had acquired them when he bought his house as the seller didn’t want to deal with moving them. The speakers all appeared in good condition outside a tweeter that was poked in (it’s always the tweeter) and were in working order.

The speakers themselves, named Model H (super awesome name I know) intrigued me greatly as they were a combination of small satellites paired with individual side-firing dual opposed transmission line woofers (note I didn’t say subwoofers :smile:) contained in a single box.

Not only was that quirky enough for me to consider picking them up (knowing I had no space for them at all) but the setup utilizes an external crossover with each driver then being wired to the crossover with its own speaker wire. That drove me over the edge so I reached out and scheduled a time this week to drive out and hear them.

In the meantime I scoured the web for information on the speakers, manufacture, etc. I found a few reference documents and schematics (see reference section at bottom), which confirmed just how different these speakers were for their time.

The drive was about 3 hours one way, but I figured worse case I wasted some gas and time, best case I got some cool speakers to play with.

When I showed up they were setup in a really small area and connected to a really cool looking hybrid tube amp and streamer, neither of which I recognized, but both looked very cool and high quality.

The person giving them away had very nice setups of various B&W speakers, NAD and Marantz receivers, etc.

I sat down and for about 30 - 40 minutes went through a few of the tracks saved to my Tidal Demo playlist, and FOR THE RECORD, they don’t contain any rap, hip/hop, etc. It focuses on large swings in highs and lows and lots of layers of instruments and vocals.

I was SHOCKED at how well the speakers performed. The attack and decay in these 50+ year old speakers was astonishing. Moreover the bass was quite present when needed but not overbearing or so minimal that I would want to supplement it with an actual sub.

A few of the tracks that stood out were:

1. I See Fire (from the hobbit soundtrack) by Geoff Castellucci
2. Sound of Silence also by Geoff Castilian
3. Weightless by Mike Oldfield from Tubular Bells II
4. Shaman of Chaos by Omnia
5. Utopia by The Sidh

I was sold so I said I would take them. I was told that the hybrid amp, streamer, and the speaker stands were available too. I took the tube amp and stands, unaware of what I had, and left. That was an act in itself as the woofer unit is 200+ pounds.

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On the drive home I realized I should have grabbed the streamer so I reached out and worked out having it shipped to me.

Total cost was 6 hours of my time, 1/2 tank of gas, 20 in food/drink in the trip.

Of course being on a music/gear high I reached out to @lightman to catchup and talk about this awesome score. He looked up the hybrid amp and we were shocked to discover I’d been given a Pathos Logos amp that retailed for more than I’d like to say when it came out. Additionally the streamer was a B&W Formation Audio, also quite pricey.

Upon getting home I unpacked everything and spent more time going over it all. I discover that the speakers are serial number 0013, the lowest I’ve ever owned. They use screw down terminals which I don’t particularly like but they are in good condition. As stated one tweeter is pushed in but still working. They are also missing grills (they originally used foam grills).

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The crossover is quite dusty as could use a good cleaning but I’m hesitant to blow it out for fear of breaking the point to point wiring. It has some sort of adjustment on the front that I haven’t quite figured out yet so I left it where it was.

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The veneer on the woofer box was pealing off in a few places but I think that can be fixed with some heat and a roller, or at least made to look slightly better. There are also some normal WAF stains from plants and whatnot but I believe those might come out with the right cleaning.

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The Pathos is missing a foot in the back but otherwise is mint. There are more than enough connections in the back for whatever analog sources I’d ever need, including 2 balanced inputs. There are even preouts which I should never have a need for. Oh, and it’s got a nice simple REMOTE!!! It’s a bit quirky about working but who cares lol.

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The B&W looks brand new, has 2 digital inputs, as well as an analog one, and is pretty unique looking. It supports Tidal as well as various other services but only through its own app (so no Tidal Connect).

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My wife was not prepared for the size of the speakers as I may have forgotten to mention that to her, nor the extra gear, since even I didn’t know I’d be coming home with it. At this point I still had no real perfect location for them but figured I would find a way :smile:

Last night I couldn’t wait any longer so I set everything up, and you know what sucks? Terminating speaker wire. You know what sucks even more? Terminating 8 sets of speaker wire. I used what I have on hand which is a mixture of 12/2 Furez, 14/2 Furez, and Amazon Basic 14/2. The Furez (who I just learned have closed) was purchased from @helipilotdoug years ago. They were paired with various Monster and Nakamichi bananas for the crossover and amp connections, and bare wire for the speaker and woofer connections.

The powercable for the Pathos is a Cullen Cable (forget the model number) I bought from @erniejade, but I also have a PS Audio AC-3 I may try. The RCAs are MAC UltraSilver+ that I was gifted by @Indyhawg years ago.

Everything was setup in a very confined, non-optimal space but I still fell asleep to the sweet sound of the new setup. Even Storm approved of the new sound. I shocked that I was able to hear details even at 15 on the volume (out of 100).

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My wife had mentioned in passing changing our dining room (which we never use) into a sitting room with some small chairs, an end table, sofa, etc. After seeing how much I was enjoying the newly acquired gear she let me know that I could set it up along the longest wall in the dining room as long as we worked together to blend it with the other items she will purchase at some point. I obviously agreed and moved things around earlier today. Here is the current state of the setup. A couple things to note:

1. It’s not in a final state so cable management is still a work in progress, as is the location of the equipment. I plan to try and get it all in a rack to the side along with the external crossover and let my wife put pictures, etc on the woofer box (but no real plants or candles, etc)
2. The table set is only there until it sells
3. The stands are only temporary until I find something styled more like the speakers
4. have already reached out to Doug about buying some 14/4 wire so reduce the total number of speaker wires from 8 down to 4
5. I have reached out to Trey about refreshing the external crossover as I believe it can be done without breaking the bank
6. I reached out to the US Distributor for Pathos and it looks like it will be 100 bucks to get a new foot as they don’t make mine anymore so I have to replace all the feet with metal versions, and the manufacture is in Italy and the dealer is in Cali. **I’d love suggestions on cheaper alternatives that still look decent**
8. I am in the market for a decent budget C7 powercable for the B&W streamer. Used preferred but open to a new one. Needs to be fairly flexible.
9. Anyone with experience getting water stains out of veneer please let me know how you did it.

Without further ado, here it is in all its glory, my the deal of the century!

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"....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,682
    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 29,382
    Based on the schematic that adjustment is probably associated with the plus normal minus

    Is that massive box in the middle the sub?? Super cool!
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 26,915
    edited July 18
    Are those 6dj8 tubes?
    Dan started blowing up my phone last night at midnight ON A work night, this guy!!! 😄😄😄
    All good buddy and nice grab!
    Now get a soft bristle paint brush and knock that dust loose and start blowing it out. That's some serious decades worth of dander!
    He might be able to completely build a new human with all of that DNA stuff in there.
  • tonyp063
    tonyp063 Posts: 1,127
    You might enjoy this.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_M._Fried

    Fried was a pioneer in transmission line design
  • Tony M
    Tony M Posts: 11,566
    Great story. Seems like a great 3-piece set of speakers.

    I think I have the Stereophile issue with the Pathos review in it. ;)

    Congrats!

    What a "ROAD TRIP". :o

    Did I read the story right? You paid for the Pathos and B&W gear, right?
    Or did the guy give that to you, too?

    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.

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    --Mark Twain.

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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,682
    edited July 18
    VR3 wrote: »

    Is that massive box in the middle the sub?? Super cool!

    Yes. Dual opposed 8” transmission line subs. One for each satellite.

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    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    Are those 6dj8 tubes?

    Now get a soft bristle paint brush and knock that dust loose and start blowing it out. That's some serious decades worth of dander!

    Manual lists them as 6922 tubes…..

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    Didn’t think about the paint brush but will for sure do that sometime soon. I’m too deep into the toe tapping right now for it :wink:
    Tony M wrote: »
    Great story. Seems like a great 3-piece set of speakers.

    I think I have the Stereophile issue with the Pathos review in it. ;)

    Congrats!

    What a "ROAD TRIP". :o

    Did I read the story right? You paid for the Pathos and B&W gear, right?
    Or did the guy give that to you, too?

    Guy gave me everything for free. Only cost to me was gas/time/snacks/shipping for the B&W because I waffled on taking it on the spot and was 1.5 hours down the road before I realized my mistake lol.

    Shipping was 45 bucks, snacks were 15, 1/2 tank of gas was say 30, so total spend was 90ish give or take. Beyond a steal.

    Only close second was my score of a set of Infinity RS-II for 200 + gas and time. That thread is here: https://forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/162376/the-conclusion-of-the-infinity-journey?utm_source=community-search&utm_medium=organic-search&utm_term=infinity…..

    And it was 11 years ago :smile:
    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 26,915
    edited July 18
    6dj8/6922 are equivalent tubes. Like 12au7/5814.
    Try to find China bristle brush it's usually a natural hair boar/Ox.

    Taken from how to clean dirty PC boards. Vvvv
    Natural hair paint brushes for cleaning PC's are less likely to conduct static electricity.
    Oil based brushes are pig hair and most quality artist brushes are Beaver hair.
    Do not use cheap nylon or polyester brushes. They create static electricity.
  • SCompRacer
    SCompRacer Posts: 9,077
    edited July 18
    Dan's friends will be confused when he says he drove six hours for a great deal on a pair of Fried speakers. :D

    Nice grab Dan! Those are off the beaten path for sure. My InnerSound ESL speakers had 8-foot long folded transmission line bass modules. Bass was incredible. I think you heard them.
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,682
    edited July 18
    I did indeed Rich. That GTG introduced me to Nikki and the Dove and their song The Gentle Roar played on vinyl.

    And I introduced you to Skrillex in return lol…
    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
  • BlueBirdMusic
    BlueBirdMusic Posts: 2,735
    Great story! Definitely a TREASURE found.
    "Sometimes you have to look to the past to understand where you are going in the future"
    Harry / Marietta GA
  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 34,902
    "Fried is good. "
    B)
    Irving M "Bud" Fried was also associated with (his initials, at any rate) the extremely fine IMF loudspeakers of a similar era.
  • SeleniumFalcon
    SeleniumFalcon Posts: 4,269
    edited July 19
    He was also the original importer for Decca cartridges and Quad speakers into the US. The very first products we sold were the IMF speakers, Bud gave us our start as DKL.
  • SCompRacer
    SCompRacer Posts: 9,077
    edited July 19
    And I introduced you to Skrillex in return lol…

    Yes you did! I like Sonny cause his albums also incorporate a wide range of other frequencies, not just minutes of monotonous low tones.

    Jay @agfrost was here and we thought the LP produced better bass than the digital. I play it before house cleaning as it shakes the dust loose. :D Discogs lists it at a high of $217. It resides in my demo rack.

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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,682
    SCompRacer wrote: »
    And I introduced you to Skrillex in return lol…

    Yes you did! I like Sonny cause his albums also incorporate a wide range of other frequencies, not just minutes of monotonous low tones.

    Jay @agfrost was here and we thought the LP produced better bass than the digital. I play it before house cleaning as it shakes the dust loose. :D Discogs lists it at a high of $217. It resides in my demo rack.

    Will have to buy a copy and give it a whirl sometime. I think this new system will be where my turntable resides once I get it back up and running.
    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,682
    edited July 19
    Great story! Definitely a TREASURE found.

    100%. Can’t wait to get better seating in there and maybe find ways to incorporate some sound panels that pass my wife’s approval.

    Room is open on the back to the entry and loft, and on one side to the family room, but it’s the most closed off room we have lol.

    It’s gonna take a few months I’m sure and for the most part I’m giving my wife reign over the furniture and decor outside the configuration of the stereo stuff.

    Still need to find a good rack as I’m not sure the Salamander I’ve had sitting in reserve matches the wood color of the speakers well enough.

    If it does then I’m golden as it’s a S40 and I’ve got spare shelves in another unit I can steal from.
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    "Fried is good. "
    B)
    Irving M "Bud" Fried was also associated with (his initials, at any rate) the extremely fine IMF loudspeakers of a similar era.

    Yes, I’ve been reading up on him, and nerd that I am, I plan to print out a bunch of stuff I found on him and the speakers and put it in a binder.
    He was also the original importer for Decca cartridges and Quad speakers into the US. The very first products we sold were the IMF speakers, Bud gave us our start as DKL.

    That’s awesome!

    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,655
    Nice integrated amp!

    You can find all styles, colors and sizes of replacement feet online. Search such things as amplifier feet and speaker feet. Most of it is out of China, but most are good quality.
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,682
    F1nut wrote: »
    Nice integrated amp!

    You can find all styles, colors and sizes of replacement feet online. Search such things as amplifier feet and speaker feet. Most of it is out of China, but most are good quality.

    Yeah I think that’s the route I may go 100+ bucks for 4 feet is a bit much since 1/2 the cost is the shipping from Italy the CA, and then I have to pay for shipping from CA to me which is gonna add another 20ish making the shipping over 60 for 40 worth of feet (~11 a foot).

    Any thoughts on how to address the water stains on the veneer and the part leaking off the sides of the woofer enclosure?
    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,655
    edited July 19
    Dark/black stains like yours are caused by tannins in the wood reacting to prolonged exposure with liquids, usually water. The only way to remove them is with oxalic acid. Should be posts here on how to do it. Do NOT breath the dried crystals as you'll have a sneezing fit like no other.

    The warped/peeling veneer...best to replace it.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,872
    The Pathos was the big score. That integrated is one of the crown jewels of audio imho. Definitely an endgame piece of equipment. I would love to get your impressions of that with the MMG‘s attached to it if you still have them.
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,682
    F1nut wrote: »
    Dark/black stains like yours are caused by tannins in the wood reacting to prolonged exposure with liquids, usually water. The only way to remove them is with oxalic acid. Should be posts here on how to do it. Do NOT breath the dried crystals as you'll have a sneezing fit like no other.

    The warped/peeling veneer...best to replace it.

    Thanks. Think the warped stuff might just be simple edge banding which would be ideal lol.

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    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,682
    The Pathos was the big score. That integrated is one of the crown jewels of audio imho. Definitely an endgame piece of equipment. I would love to get your impressions of that with the MMG‘s attached to it if you still have them.

    I’ve never owned MMGs, but they are on my list and now with this room and gear perhaps something I can get at some point.
    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,872
    edited July 19
    The Pathos was the big score. That integrated is one of the crown jewels of audio imho. Definitely an endgame piece of equipment. I would love to get your impressions of that with the MMG‘s attached to it if you still have them.

    I’ve never owned MMGs, but they are on my list and now with this room and gear perhaps something I can get at some point.

    Sorry... I thought you got them from me for some reason. I do know you came up and heard them.

    The Pathos needs to have the MG3.6 or better attached to it.

    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2800 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,682
    The Pathos was the big score. That integrated is one of the crown jewels of audio imho. Definitely an endgame piece of equipment. I would love to get your impressions of that with the MMG‘s attached to it if you still have them.

    I’ve never owned MMGs, but they are on my list and now with this room and gear perhaps something I can get at some point.

    Sorry... I thought you got them from me for some reason. I do know you came up and heard them.

    The Pathos needs to have the MG3.6 or better attached to it.

    I bought your LSi15s while you had the MMGs (which Tasha and I listened to and liked), so you are not too far off.

    And any Maggie’s bigger than MMGs would be too large for that room lol
    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,395
    What a great story and what a great ending! Glad you're enjoying the new (old) pieces of gear. The whole shebang had to be a lot of fun.

    Keep us posted.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,682
    edited July 19
    Little bit of masking tape and the tweeter dent is mostly out. Not sure it’s going to get better than this.

    Tried using the straw and suck method but didn’t have one small enough to get decent suction and I really don’t want to try using a shop vac as I think that sucks too much :). And I like them but not enough to full on mouth suck them like this guy (see 2m 37s mark)

    https://youtu.be/TRek-TVyirI?si=_tmcG96lWPPHwJ6F

    Ironically, the tweeters in that video are KEF like mine and might even be the same ones.


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    After:

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    Overall fairly happy with the result but open to other thoughts on how to fix the small remaining divots.

    Measured a foot and it’s about 2 1/4 x 3/4 which works out to around 60mm x 19mm.

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    Went ahead and ordered some feet from Amazon that look close to what I had. Much cheaper but since it’s me I may eventually get the actual manufacture feet just because.

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,655
    Best to double check the thread pattern and screw length before installing the new feet.
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  • SCompRacer
    SCompRacer Posts: 9,077
    edited July 19
    I'd put money on metric thread. I don't recall working on anything Italian. I know Japanese use JIS standard so our Phillips head screw drivers want to cam out and strip the head. Just don't 'screw' anything up Dan. :D

    I can't recall if you mentioned having one. You need a service manual for that thing? HiFi engine has one. I can email it to ya.
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,682
    edited July 19
    F1nut wrote: »
    Best to double check the thread pattern and screw length before installing the new feet.

    Yup I planned on that one. I was actually gonna reuse the existing screws as all of them are still there.

    If the holes in the feet are too large I could always use a washer to make up the difference. If the hole is too small then I can try and drill it out, or return for one with larger holes…
    SCompRacer wrote: »
    I'd put money on metric thread. I don't recall working on anything Italian. I know Japanese use JIS standard so our Phillips head screw drivers want to cam out and strip the head. Just don't 'screw' anything up Dan. :D

    I can't recall if you mentioned having one. You need a service manual for that thing? HiFi engine has one. I can email it to ya.
    I also figured metric was the way to go on it.

    I will take anything you have Rich. Can’t hurt and I can add it to the binder :smile:
    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 26,915
    No shop vac, if your regular floor vac has a hose that is what I used. The trick is have the wife flip the switch on/off just that quick.
    Honestly I think it will not get any better than that, great job Dan!
  • PSOVLSK
    PSOVLSK Posts: 5,371
    Congrats on the awesome find Dan. I’m enjoying this thread as well.
    Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.-John Wooden