Snub Way road test

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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,942
    I honestly don't know if it would help or not. You could always be added to the list of folks who are trying it out. Most out of pocket would be about 10 bucks to ship it to the next person in line...

    If you don't want to wait, according to their website;
    Try our products in your home for 30 days risk free, if for any reason you are unsatisfied with your purchase within the 30 day window, return the product for a full refund. We will even cover the return postage.

    https://verafiaudiollc.com/policies/refund-policy

    You may also want to reach out to Vera-Fi and ask them if they have any feedback concerning this, from either testing, or user experience.

    Tom
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
  • Milito
    Milito Posts: 2,002
    Yea I'll do that, thanks.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 29,383
    edited May 17
    I imagine the capacitor for the fan motor is out, it could also be simply unplugged. I've seen that before
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  • PSOVLSK
    PSOVLSK Posts: 5,371


    treitz3 wrote: »

    @PSOVLSK - It was my understanding that he did test everything with the computer still plugged in and powered on. It was my recommendation to unplug everything concerning the computer, after @muncybob inquired if @Jetmaker737 had tried the SW without the computer powered on.


    Tom

    Gotcha. Thanks for the reply.
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  • Milito
    Milito Posts: 2,002
    edited May 17
    Emailed Mark about my problem and he said it should fix it so I ordered one.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 29,383
    Fwiw alot of computer noise is mechanical noises.

    Like you can literally hear dragging a mouse across the screen thru static. Ymmv
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  • PSOVLSK
    PSOVLSK Posts: 5,371
    Milito wrote: »
    Emailed Mark about my problem and he said it should fix it so I ordered one.

    Hope it works out for you Mike. Be sure to let us know if it solves your problem…and if you realize even more benefits.
    Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.-John Wooden
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,395
    A dedicated line for your audio equipment will solve the "popping" noise when turning on the fan. No power center, power regenerator or power suppressor will fix that. It's because they are on the same line so to speak.

    In my office space I have overhead florescent's as one choice of lighting. Every time I turn them on or off if the rig is on I hear a pop. The outlets and switches are all on the same leg.
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,942
    I tend to agree with that. A pop will reside on the circuit.

    Time will tell.

    Tom
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  • billbillw
    billbillw Posts: 7,443
    edited May 20
    heiney9 wrote: »

    In my office space I have overhead florescent's as one choice of lighting. Every time I turn them on or off if the rig is on I hear a pop. The outlets and switches are all on the same leg.

    Change your ballast and that will go away. I had that at my old house. Pretty easy fix.
  • Milito
    Milito Posts: 2,002
    edited May 21
    The pop just stated happening recently so it may be something in the fan. I'll still get to test the Snub Way when I get it to see if it helps and the effect it has on my system. I should get it at the end of the week. I'll post the results if I can hear a difference. Like I have posted before, my hearing isn't as good as it was a few years ago. I really don't want to spend the money for a dedicated line for that reason. If it was 10 years ago then I would look into it. All of you younger guys take care of your ears, it sucks when they don't work as well when you get older. I'm 74.
    BTW my house is only 4 years old. If it doesn't help, I'll buy a new fan with a remote.
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 26,917
    Help me understand how a remote would help? Just taking to switch out of the equation?
  • Milito
    Milito Posts: 2,002
    edited May 21
    Yes, I read when I was searching about the problem a person replace his fan with a remote only fan and it cured the problem.
    Like I posted above this is a recent problem, it use not to pop. It's a cheap builder fan.
    I'm far from an expert on this, just going by what I have read.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 29,383
    I have very nice DC motor fans in my house, super quiet. They cost about 350 at home depot... I paid around 90 for them

    Biggest pieces of crap I've ever owned. Can't win in this world of disposable stuff

    I've replaced the controller in 4 out of 5 of them and they are just junk.

    I'd rather just stick to the cheap builder grade stuff
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  • Milito
    Milito Posts: 2,002
    Yea I miss the old Hunter fans you use to have to add oil to. Had then in our 2nd house we built, had 3 of them. They were very heavy, but would last forever.
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  • machone
    machone Posts: 1,551
    Milito wrote: »
    Yea I miss the old Hunter fans you use to have to add oil to. Had then in our 2nd house we built, had 3 of them. They were very heavy, but would last forever.

    Yep, up in VA I had 3 of the old Hunter fans on an outside porch. They moved with me to SC 32 years ago and are still running perfect.
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  • muncybob
    muncybob Posts: 3,225
    The Road Test continues, now on the way to Upstatemax.
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  • Upstatemax
    Upstatemax Posts: 2,730
    Got my “NOT Chewy” package today!

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    I’ll be able to get some ears on it tonight for some initial impressions.

    Then it’s off to our cabin for a few nights. I’ll be able to listen some more in the coming week.
  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,942
    Looking forward to your impressions. We still on track for Friday?

    Tom
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  • Milito
    Milito Posts: 2,002
    Well I given it a few days to settle in. I had received it much later than I thought I would is why I haven't posted.
    It does seem a little better to me and my wife. Everything seems a little clearer. Sorry, with my ears the way they are I'm not the best one to offer a review on this. I tried plugging into a wall outlet and into my power condition power strip and it sounded better plugged into the first plug in my power strip. I also plugged my integrated amp and AVR directly into the wall with the Snub Way also in a wall outlet. it didn't so as good as being plugged into the power conditioner.

    The popping is a little better, but not completely gone. So I ordered a new ceiling fan. I check the ground on the wall plugs and fan switch to make sure everything was tight and no ground wires were broken.
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,942
    Yeah, I chatted with Mark today via text and he said that they are overwhelmingly swamped with orders. Anyone ordering right now should expect a 2 to 3 week order to deliver timeframe. Did you happen to check and see if the ground is properly hooked up at the switch?

    Tom
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  • Milito
    Milito Posts: 2,002
    edited June 4
    Yes I did, thanks. I should have said wall fan switch.
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  • Upstatemax
    Upstatemax Posts: 2,730
    treitz3 wrote: »
    Looking forward to your impressions. We still on track for Friday?

    Tom


    If this was for me, I will most likely be shipping it out to the next in line tomorrow!

    Thankfully I was given a bit more time with it so that I could get it into my fathers system, as I think he will want one of these.

    As for initial impressions, I'll leave it at this, I've already placed an order for one.
  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,942
    It was, and cool.

    Tom
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  • Upstatemax
    Upstatemax Posts: 2,730
    Alright, I have a bit of time to sit down and go over my thoughts on the Snubway.

    I tried to approach this as unbiased as possible, I skimmed over this thread and didn't really read the details posted before me, as well as pretty much staying out of Tom's Snubway thread.

    Before I threw my name in the hat to have this sent to me, I popped over to the Vera-Fi website and read the description of the Snubway. After reading up on it a bit I decided I'm probably an ideal candidate for this device, if it works at all. My home is loaded in chargers, smart lighting/devices, electronics and I live in a massive neighborhood with other homes filled with the same stuff.

    My 2ch system at the moment:

    - Sonus Faber Venere S speakers
    - Prima Luna Evo 400 preamp
    - Rotel RB-1582 amp
    - Eversolo DMP-A8 streamer/dac/file management
    - Pro-Ject X1 TT
    - Schiit Skoll phono-stage
    - Furman Elite 15 DMi handles surge protection

    My home was built about 50 years ago and in a fantasy world, I would have it completely rewired and updated. But that's not going to happen in my lifetime. What I have been doing, as I remodel and update the home I have been rewiring as much as possible and fixing issues. However, after my recent kitchen remodel, my breaker box is now maxed out. In hindsight, I should've put the kitchen on a subpanel...

    Where am I going with this?

    My house is far from ideal when it comes to wiring and clean power.

    However, my 2ch system is on a dedicated 20amp line.

    Once I got in the Snubway and opened it up, I was pretty impressed with build quality and aesthetics. It feels solid in the hand and to me, looks really nice. Looks aren't everything to me, but with my setup, the Snubway is plenty visible in the seated positions in my room.

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    Once I fired up the system I started a quick listening session without it plugged in, after a few songs I plugged in the Snubway (plugged into the top outlet of the first plug in the line).

    I went back to my starting songs. IIRC, it was just the recently re-released and remastered Pink Floyd Pompeii album (96/24 downloaded to my Eversolo).

    Right out of the gate, I felt like I noticed tighter and sharper bass in the introduction. As the tracks progressed, I noticed percussions sounded sharper and cleaner and overall better separation. At this point, my wife came down and wanted to watch a show (she is FINALLY watching Sopranos...). I had her pull the Snubway for about 10 seconds and plug it back in for about 30 a few times. This is where I felt like it became the most obvious that it was doing something. After enough of my wife rolling her eyes, I powered down the Prima Luna and fired up the TV.

    Over the next several days I listened on and off, with it plugged in most of the time. In general, I didn't notice anything "mindblowing" and "night and day". What I did notice, better separation and a cleaner and better defined soundstage.

    After about a week of it plugged in, I sat down and made a more serious listening session.

    My method; listen to song with Snubway plugged in, then another listen unplugged, then another listen plugged back in (all songs downloaded to my Eversolo's internal SSD).

    - Big Momma Thornton With The Muddy Waters Blues Band (44.1/16), I feel The Way I Feel. Crisper and more forward cymbals. More texture to Big Momma's voice, just an excellent gravelly undertone that is suddenly more obvious. You just melt into the song.
    - Springsteen, Born In The USA (96/24), My Home Town. Better defined percussion and snappier kick drum. Exposing texture and gravel to Bruce's voice that's harder to decipher without. Backing chorus in final 1/3 of the song is more pronounced and clear, without, you know it's there, but it's more of a distant detail/layer.
    - ZZ Top, Raw (96/24), Blue Jean Blues. Extended and better defined bass lines (RIP Dusty). Cleaner soundstage with B. Gibbons taking a rock solid center stage. Damn, the years in that voice. The "sigh" at 2:57, just runs up the spine like never before.
    - Pink Floyd Pompeii (96/24), Careful With That Axe Eugene. Cleaner tighter bass. Vocals more forward and centered, less smearing.
    - Sturgill Simpson (Johnny Blue Skies) Passage Du Desir, One For The Road. Acoustic guitar and vocals gain much needed texture and separation. Maybe a little too sibilant now? Am I getting fatigued, is it the recording? Okay, the second half of the song is here, the "big band" stops and it's more of a focused instrumental, much more enjoyable.

    Across the board impressions; bass, texture, separation and cleaner soundstage was noticed across all songs. This isn't a "punch you in the face" difference, this is more nuanced and becomes obvious as you listen back to back with and without it, or hot swap it in and out. Overall, a pretty obvious drop in the noise floor.

    Okay, I had my fun and I got permission, THANK YOU! @muncybob, to keep it a bit longer and let my dad get his ears on it. I was hoping to have my dad over and we could listen together during my normal trial, but dad has had a rough month thanks to a fall and some surgeries. Long story short, I had to go over and paint a new room on their home and while I was there I brought over the Snubway and left him to mess around while I painted, I didn't want my experience to influence his experience.

    After a bit, I checked in on as I knew it was impossible for him to swap it in and out, so he was only listening with it plugged in, on a system he has basically not listened to in a month...

    I was able to hot swap it in and out, for a real A/B test. You could see it in his eyes then, it became really clear how his system sounded with, and without it. He essentially echoed exactly what I felt, it's not a massive difference it's in the details, it's a noise layer that just suddenly "lifts off the music".

    In total, I think how much this device impacts your system is dependent on your home, wiring and neighborhood. You live in the middle of suburbs with a bunch of smart devices, chargers and digital switches?

    You might love this thing.

    You live in the middle of nowhere with none of that stuff, you might not notice much?

    A big part of me wishes my cabin was connected to the grid, then I could test it in a rural environment without all of that noise. I guess I'll have to wait another 10'ish years till I sell my main home and build my retirement cabin (that will be on-grid) to find out.
  • muncybob
    muncybob Posts: 3,225
    Nice write up. Glad you and Dad got the time needed to play with the Snub Way.

    Had to chuckle when I read the comment about wife rolling her eyes, I get that a lot.

    We live in an old house that has 1 smart device and 1 blue tooth portable speaker that is not on when listening to the rig...a rural setting with very few neighbors within a mile and can say the SW has made a positive difference in my listening sessions. I'm noticing similar things you have mentioned along with a better separation of individual voices in vocal harmonizing such as Crosby, Stills and Nash, etc.
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  • Jetmaker737
    Jetmaker737 Posts: 1,103
    Good write-up. Nice pics. Your experience is similar to mine except I had very noticeable effects, likely due to my computer stuff being on the same circuit as my system. So it's very likely that the dirtier your power situation the more you will notice the improvement.

    I now have a Master Class plugged into the circuit in the outlet that feeds my computer gear. Still evaluating it. Earlier, I'd had it placed into the first receptacle in my Niagara 1200 and it had a detrimental effect there. In its current location, as I did a lot of A-B'ing the other night, it went from neutral (no effect) to subtle positive effects. I wonder if there's a break-in period for the device that I've been going through.
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  • Upstatemax
    Upstatemax Posts: 2,730
    edited June 11
    treitz3 wrote: »
    Yeah, I chatted with Mark today via text and he said that they are overwhelmingly swamped with orders. Anyone ordering right now should expect a 2 to 3 week order to deliver timeframe. Did you happen to check and see if the ground is properly hooked up at the switch?

    Tom

    This seems on target.

    Placed my order, and about a week till it shipped.

    Then about 1 weeks time transit (CA to NY).

    Mine should be here Monday or Tuesday this coming week.

    I’m excited to have it plugged back into my system.
  • Upstatemax
    Upstatemax Posts: 2,730
    edited June 18
    Got the new Snubway in on Monday (the one I purchased). Letting it burn in.

    I'll try and spend some time listening this weekend.
  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,942
    I got the second Master Class Dynamic A/C passive line conditioner in and I would love to offer my thoughts on what it added or subtracted from the system, but the day before that? I added a Power Core Technologies EQUI=CORE 1000 to the supporting components of the streaming rig.

    I will say this, without derailing the thread more than this.

    It is truly amazing what happens to the end result when one gets rid of the noise that they never even knew they had.

    Tom
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