Veri Fi SnubWay......don't listen to music, experience it!

One other thing I would like to mention is this. The impact from each unit (at least on my rig) were equal.....maybe with a slight nod to the MC (but that may have been because of the cumulative effect, I never took out the Snubway just to test the MC). With both of them? I am STILL in awe at what I am hearing. Not, "pretty much" everytime I listen. It's literally everytime I listen. Whether the rig is cold, or if it has been running non-stop for days on end. FWIW.

Tom

@Clipdat Said respectfully, can you try to be a gentleman, instead of a smart aleck when joining in on the conversation? It's called a Snubway. Every post you have made on this thread, and the other one, rings with the same tone. It's getting rather old and doesn't further anyone's knowledge, or the conversation. It just adds unnecessary noise to the conversation.

So, let me clarify a bit on the noise I am talking about. It's a combination of noise floor, room minimum dB level, RFI, EMI and Schuman resonance, Eddy currents, phase noise and/or jitter, ground noise, common mode noise, leakage current, Allan deviation, reflections within the room or even the cables themself, timing variances within the 1's and 0's (whether it be immediate, misread, short or long), along with noise that rides the incoming A/C waveform, or if you stream? Through that incoming cable and upstream infrastructure noise. These are just some of the things that affect the sound and yes, it's audible when these types of noises are gone.

This noises aforementioned are not the same as vinyl surface noise from a TT or tube noise, although you want to try and keep those as low as possible as well. What I am saying is that the noise I am referring too is not the same. Many people don't even know they have noise…..until it's gone.

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My understanding is that they are equal but handle different frequencies, so they are meant to be used in tandem.

Correct. The Veri-Fi Main Stream - Master Class Dynamic Parallel AC Line Conditioner is focused on and targets the frequency range from 10kHz to 20kHz, but it's particularly potent in and around the critical 20kHz region, where hum, hiss, and hash tend to be most prominent. The SnubWay's greatest range of effectiveness is targeting the problematic 400kHz-600kHz range.

I had made the comment that I would give the MC the nod as to the greater effectiveness, but this is on my system and I already had the Snubway in place for 1/2 a year, so that may very well just be chalked up to a cumulative effect. Every one has differing noise levels, so what works as "the best" for one person's system, may not reflect the situation in someone else's system. And vice-versa.

When it comes to the Puritan, it is my understanding that every outlet is on a dedicated isolation transformer, which block electrical noise and interference by providing galvanic isolation. Either one of these devices (and this is only conjecture) would be rendered useless on a device like that. In Jody's case, he found that adding the Snubway into the outlet that feeds the Puritan yielded the best results for him. That makes sense, but when he still noticed a consistent difference after installing the Snubway, it just makes the argument that the Puritan removes much of, but not all of the noise.

I have found this to be true, no matter the product used, or a companies "claim" that all noise is eliminated. I have yet to find any product that eliminates all of the noise. That said, the products that I have introduced into the rig have severely thwarted the audible noise and the end result is simply nothing less than spectacular - for what you actually hear (and more importantly, what you don't hear).

Tom

Oh, I'd also like to point this out. The cable that was replaced was the same exact cable as the one that was previously installed. The ONLY difference between the two was the length.

Without the new cable even being broke in yet (compared to the cable that had been in his system for quite some time), the differences were immediately audible and when we first noticed what we did, neither of us were even sitting in the sweet spot, because the both of us were not really expecting to hear any change whatsoever.

The look we both gave each other (*off axis) after about 20 seconds of a song we had just played an hour or so earlier was priceless. We both knew what we heard, and we both had the same observations but that look...

That look summed up confusion, excitement, insightfulness, discovery and awe, to name but a few. It was very enlightening and pinpointed one of the exact noises I am referrring to here. FWIW.

Tom

Master Class A/C line conditioner -

Since I never really did a review of this thing, I thought I'd share a story with you about this device. Please be forewarned, this is a long post. Informative, but still long.

So, about 3 weeks ago, I was out in the living room watching some TV, while the rig was warming up to play some late night listening tunes. Out of nowhere was a lightning strike that, based upon the sheer amount of light beaming through the LR blinds, had to have been awfully close. At the same exact time, one of the loudest cracks of thunder I have ever heard was simultanious with the strike.

It looked to have been close and I thought I would have walked outside to see a tree exploded or part of my house on fire. All of these thoughts happened within a split second, but when the light from the strike subsided, I noticed that the power was out in the house.

Within seconds, my son had ran out from the room thinking the same thing I did. He said it scared the living crap out of him and we both walked out onto the front porch to survey the damage. Nothing. No damage, no tree down, no fire, no scorched exterior outlets, nothing.

When the excitement subsided, we walked back inside and told him that the power should be back on soon. He stated that the power was on in his room. What? So, I looked in the kitchen and the fridge light was on. Hmm, so I guess it popped a breaker. No worries.

So I walk back to the panel and sure as chit, the front of the house outlet circuit was in the off position. No worries, so I turned it back on. It immediately popped off again. Crap. That meant something on that circuit had a short in it. It was late and the rig is on that circuit, so I called it a day and just went to bed. I figured that I would just deal with it in the AM (it was a Friday, so I was off the next day).

So, first thing in the AM, I unplug everything on that circuit and flip the breaker to the on position. No short, so the circuit and all outlets were fine. So, now all I had to do was plug everything in, one by one and when it tripped the breaker again, I would know what it was that had a short. I plugged everything in within the LR. Then I moved to the office and plugged everything in. No issues, which was great but at the end of that circuit is where my rig resides. That ain't good. At all.

So, I waited the rest of the day, not wanting to know the inevitable. It was something in the stereo room. Reluctantly, around 7 that night, I built up the courage to finally go back and see what was what. Hoping for the best, but preparing for the worst.

One by one, I plugged everything in for the main components of the rig. Turned everything on and no tripped breaker. Thank the man above none of the most expensive to replace components were damaged. So, I plugged in and turned on the AQ Niagra power strip that supports everything on the streamer and network devices in the room. Still no issues. So, I went back out to the LR and office and started plugging in all of my noise reducing devices, then back to the stereo room to start plugging them in there.

I plugged in all of the Puron's and as I plugged in the Master Class A/C line conditioner, the circuit was tripped. AH-HA! That was the component that fried (or at least one of them). I removed it from the outlet, turned the circuit back on and plugged the rest of the stuff in. No further issues and the rig was running fine (albeit, not sounding quite as good without the MC A/C line conditioner).

Still, very thankful that it was just that, and not something else that would have put me without music for a while. I had been there before from another lightning strike at a different house...and it wasn't fun. At all.

So, anyway....I got to wondering why it was just that unit that got fried. It was located on the first outlet on the in series outlets that fed the system. The only other thing that was plugged into that outlet was one of my Rythmik subs, which works perfectly fine. Curiosity got the best of me, so I called Mark up and to my surprise, he answered my call right off the bat (on a weekend morning to boot).

I told him what had happened the night before and flat out asked him if it had sacrificed itself to save the rest of the system. He stated that there is a capacitor in the design that will do just that. So, this device not only is a great addition to the rig, it also saved it from untold damage. Very enlightening (no pun intended).

The man was very accommodating. He will accept the return of the blown unit, and send me another one. He even sent me a return label for the damaged unit. I flat out told him that I would be happy to pay for another one, but he refused that offer more than once. That he was gonna make it right.

It wasn't long afterwards that I ordered another one anyway, because I didn't ever want to go without one of these, ever again, plus I was kind of curious to see if more than one would improve upon anything. That remains to be seen, but anyway, these are my observations when the first one got delivered this past Wednesday afternoon.

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