Stupid Money
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DaveHo
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I scan my local adds on a regular basis. People are free to ask any dollar amount, but the trend seems to be stupid money. Are people really paying the asking price? Case in point. Monitor 10s, SL 2000's, not even remotely close to mint, $400. No upgrades. Hell no!
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See that's my hang up. I don't like to beat around the bush. I ask a fair price to get the deal done. I'm not looking for maximum profit. Just pass along gear I'm not utilizing.
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Why I like to buy here. No BS.
18 mos ago, I thought $550 on FB Marketplace for my mint AF RTA 15TLs with no upgrades was beyond fair, but no one else did. Guess they thought that was "stupid money." But ... at the $400, or lower, offers I was getting (most FB Marketplace "buyers" start at 50% off, jacka__es!), they were literally moments away from being firewood, or landfill, either of which would've brought me greater joy than selling them at what I believed was a ridiculously low price. Thanks to @charley96 and @pitdogg2, the rest is history.
Generally, people's ideas of what is mint, or isn't, is so far away from mine, it's not even funny. Also, generally, I find that people's ideas of the same, here, are much, much closer to mine, thus my first statement.
Brian
One-owner Polk Audio RTA 15TL speakers refreshed w/ Sonicap, Vishay/Mills and Cardas components by "pitdogg2," "xschop" billet tweeter plates and BH5 | Stereo REL Acoustics T/5x subwoofers w/ Bassline Blue cables | Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum III integrated tube amp | Technics SL-1210G turntable w/ Ortofon 2M Black LVB 250 MM cart | Sony CDP-508ESD CD player (as a transport) | LampizatOr Baltic 4 tube DAC | Nordost & DH Labs cables/interconnects | APC H15 Power Conditioner | GIK Acoustics room treatments | Degritter RCM -
in general audiophiles are more affluent, cleaner, more organized people - at least in my experience. IE: Folks actively participating in forums and swapping gear around, etc.
There are exceptions to every rule though of course!- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit. -
Try looking for an inexpensive car or truck. Like people really are drinking the bong water.Gustard X26 Pro DAC
Belles 21A Pre modded with Mundorf Supreme caps
B&K M200 Sonata monoblocks refreshed and upgraded
Polk SDA 1C's modded / 1000Va Dreadnaught
Wireworld Silver Eclipse IC's and speaker cables
Harman Kardon T65C w/Grado Gold. (Don't laugh. It sounds great!)
There is about a 5% genetic difference between apes and men …but that difference is the difference between throwing your own poo when you are annoyed …and Einstein, Shakespeare and Miss January. by Dr. Sardonicus -
Have you seen some of the asking prices for audio tubes on Ebay lately??? Holy Christ it's insane. I am guessing they aren't selling at those ridiculous prices since I see them on there everyday for months.
$900 for a pair of Mullard ECC83's, used with crappy pics, no verification they are what they say they are....etc.
H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul! -
Ebay to me is an interesting beast.
I purposely list thing so there 20 to 30% higher and sometimes at down right ridiculous prices in the hopes to NOT sell it there.
I want someone to try to find me on USAM or another place...
Ebay fees are absolutely out of control.- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit. -
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I can't remember the last time I sold something on Ebay. My last 4 or 5 audio purchases have been on USAM or Audiogon. Quite a few purchases from Audio Advisor and a couple purchases here in the FM.
I have recently bought some tubes off Ebay, they were pretty good deals and I was just filling some holes. The tax thing surprised me though. It's been that long since I bought on Ebay, before they added tax to all sales.
H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul! -
[emphases added]in general audiophiles are more affluent, cleaner, more organized people - at least in my experience. IE: Folks actively participating in forums and swapping gear around, etc.
There are exceptions to every rule though of course!
Guilty as charged.
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I can't remember the last time I sold something on Ebay. My last 4 or 5 audio purchases have been on USAM or Audiogon. Quite a few purchases from Audio Advisor and a couple purchases here in the FM.
I have recently bought some tubes off Ebay, they were pretty good deals and I was just filling some holes. The tax thing surprised me though. It's been that long since I bought on Ebay, before they added tax to all sales.
H9
Do tell, what did you buy, what did I miss...😬😉
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There’s probably a type of seller, and buyer, who think that prices have to be negotiated. The seller thinks he’ll never get asking, even if it’s reasonable. The buyer thinks he’s been robbed, unless he gets at least a 10-20% discount on the asking price.
I nearly always prefer to just give stuff away because I just don’t like buyers who expect a discount on an honest price. I don’t like haggling, so I don’t ever do it.
When I do state my price on something, it’s nearly always an absolute bargain. If you don’t like the price, get lost. You don’t deserve the product anyway.
This is why I usually just give stuff away to friends or family at this point.
I hate when people try to lowball and haggle below market prices.
last set of speakers I sold, a guy came to buy them after we already agreed on a price, he tried to offer less when he was there to pick them up.
I looked him dead in the eyes and informed him I would rather go grab one of my axes and chop them into firewood for that price.
He dropped the act really quick and took out the agreed upon cash payment.
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I bought a Keces P8 dual linear power supply w/Orange brand fuses for a good deal.
https://power-holdings-inc.com/Keces-P8-8-Amp-Dual-Output-Ultra-Low-Noise-Linear-Power-Supply-p290853204
Upgraded Eastern Electric Mini Max DAC Supreme - W/DEXA discrete op amps and Mundorf caps
Uptone Audio - EtherReGen for the main rig
Uptone Audio - ISO ReGen for the office rig
Keces DC-116 dual 3A linear power supply
(3) iFi I Power X power supplies. (1) each run my router and modem I have a spare for the future....lol
1962 Quad Raytheon BP, Sq getter12AU7 organ pulls
1963 (PR) Raytheon BP 5751 Sq getter (already had a pair and didn't know it)
Couple other 5814 pairs to make quads with stuff I already have.
Quad- 1954 GE 5751 (5 star) BP 5751. The 5 stars are harder to find and they do sound a bit sweeter and more open than the standard GE BP 5751.
Looking at a 10MHz clock (thanks @Trietz and @Darqueknight)
Looking at Puritan Audio Labs power conditioner/purifier/non-sacrificial surge suppressor.
H9
P.S. and of course the Pass Labs XA25.
"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul! -
Nice Raytheon's! There have been some real nice tubes in the past year on ebay. I've gotten several nice Raytheon's mid 50's BP and some real nice windmill getters. I've also bought some RFT gems, god those are liquid sugar to my ears...
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I should pick up some early RFT's.
Once can still find some good stuff at a reasonable price, but I feel I have to work a lot harder to find them. People suck at taking and or providing good photo's.
I don't really believe the text, show me the tube. I can tell by the construction, etc. Many times I have to ask 1000 questions and many times the sellers don't bother responding or don't know anything about the tube.
One tube still eluding me is the very early CBS BP tall arm D or Square getter 12AX7. CBS only made their own tubes for a very short time in early 50's. I have a strong single looking for a mate. I've seen some that say they are CBS, but they aren't despite the screen print on the tube.
H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul! -
Original CBS tubes were Hytron as CBS bought Hytron. Then they said CBS/Hytron for a short period.
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Then they were mostly produced by GE, IIRC
H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul! -
If I remember correctly, CBS made their own tubes until maybe even ‘55 when they were GE made
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If I remember correctly, CBS made their own tubes until maybe even ‘55 when they were GE made
That's about right. It was about the same time GE bought the Ked-Rad tube plant in Owensboro Kentucky.
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This might possibly be my first hijacked thread,! Carry on!
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I dont know. There are good deals to be had. Yesterday I saw this as it was just posted. I called my brother & said go get this (his sub just died) he went today. It was new in open box. The older gentleman said he only hooked up speakers to his receiver & never used it & opened box to take picture. My brother is happy.
Randy-Maine
2ch-RTA15tl crossover upgrade
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Yamaha cr1000 cr2040
HT-Yamaha Parasound Acurus
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Damn what a deal! Your brother is one lucky guy Randy!
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It was good timing. Glad he got a clean unit at killer priceRandy-Maine
2ch-RTA15tl crossover upgrade
by David WMG
Yamaha cr1000 cr2040
HT-Yamaha Parasound Acurus
MIT BJC Cs1000p Polk Rotation -
This might possibly be my first hijacked thread,! Carry on!
Well Dave I'll do my best to carry out your wishes
👍🤗Sal Palooza
