Might be it for Tiger

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  • Kex
    Kex Posts: 4,358
    Joey_V wrote: »
    I can picture his right foot hard against the brakes... axial force to the foot, destroyed the foot causing lisfranc fracture and extruded talus, then snapped the fibula in Atleast 5 parts, tibia compresses, cracked through skin on medial leg... geeeeeeez....

    I never seen that many fractures in the leg in my 13 years as a doc. Wow!!!
    Looks like the doc was right, except it was the accelerator... 😱
    law enforcement said that data recordings from the car show that Woods did not brake prior to the accident but did press on the accelerator at a "99 percent" rate. Lomita Captain James Powers said investigators believe Woods accidentally hit the accelerator instead of the brake
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  • dromunds
    dromunds Posts: 9,242
    Was he texting?
  • Kex
    Kex Posts: 4,358
    The L.A. County Sheriff's Department did not seek a search warrant for Woods' blood samples or cell phone records, saying there was no probable cause for a criminal investigation. The department did obtain a search warrant for the data recorder of the 2021 Genesis GV80 SUV. However, the department did not forward any criminal charges to the Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office.
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  • NotaSuv
    NotaSuv Posts: 3,114
    step brother lives less than 1/2 mile from the spot, I have driven it many times and you need to pay attention and slow down... has been the site of many accidents in the past
  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 11,535
    machone wrote: »
    He needs to get a new driver......

    Agreed, I don’t think that Taylor Made is working for him
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  • SIHAB
    SIHAB Posts: 2,116
    anyone know where he fills up?
  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 22,891
    If you or I (aka a normal person) had been involved in this exact type of wreck, toxicology testing would have been mandatory for us to comply with. Why this was not done in this case is favoritism on it's face....
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  • la2vegas
    la2vegas Posts: 176
    If you or I (aka a normal person) had been involved in this exact type of wreck, toxicology testing would have been mandatory for us to comply with. Why this was not done in this case is favoritism on it's face....

    Ok, if you say so...
  • F1nut
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    The guy certainly knows how to self-destruct.....LOL
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  • Emlyn
    Emlyn Posts: 2,959
    This video is going in the opposite direction up Hawthorne. The accident site is around the 31 to 32 minute mark. Looks like a nice road to go fast on. Unless distracted and in an unfamilar large SUV of course.

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  • jdjohn
    jdjohn Posts: 1,930
    They gather additional evidence like toxicology or cell phone records if there is probable cause. When first responders arrived at the scene, Tiger was awake, responsive, and lucid, so they saw no reason to get toxicology tests. I think cell phone records are gathered in other types of accidents such as rear-ending someone, or perhaps head-on collisions (i.e., injuries to another party like Don mentioned) where distraction looks to be the culprit. Seeing as how this accident was due to excessive speed, and on a known problem stretch of road, I guess they didn't feel the need to do all that.

    I'm sure Tiger's lawyers would have had a field day if additional evidence was attempted to be gathered without probable cause.
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  • la2vegas
    la2vegas Posts: 176
    edited April 8
    tonyb wrote: »
    la2vegas wrote: »
    If you or I (aka a normal person) had been involved in this exact type of wreck, toxicology testing would have been mandatory for us to comply with. Why this was not done in this case is favoritism on it's face....

    Ok, if you say so...

    If he and every other normal thinking person says so. Toxicology tests are pretty normal for these types of accidents and it's not normal to by-pass them just because your a famous person. If the shoe was on the other foot, lets say instead of Woods it was Trump jr in the drivers seat. You can bet every test known to man would have been given. This is what aggravates people, when they see a 2 tiered justice system being played out .

    That's right, I forgot that for some everything's political. dqoh177t8wey.jpg
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  • dromunds
    dromunds Posts: 9,242
    They got a search warrant for the black box. It seems the same probable cause would justify a warrant for a blood draw. Not only was there an injury but he applied full pressure to gas pedal instead of the brake. Perhaps the real reason the authorities immediately stated “This is just an accident” was because of the driver’s celebrity status. I thought it was very unusual how quickly and assuredly they stated it was “just an accident” before any investigation.
  • jdjohn
    jdjohn Posts: 1,930
    Good point about the 'black box'. I actually didn't even know those existed for autos until this story emerged.

    I think the key point regarding 'injury' is that no other party was injured. Yes, Tiger was obviously injured, but no one else was injured who could have possibly brought forward a lawsuit. So, in the DA's eyes, no need for further evidence to be gathered.

    To be clear, I'm not trying to defend Tiger, the DA, or anyone else. My initial post for this thread was really about the multiple, compound fractures Tiger incurred on his legs, and these injuries might end his career...or at least his bid for breaking any more records. The PGA Tour is sooo competitive, with so much young talent, I just don't see him winning again. Even this week at The Masters, Brooks Koepka is struggling to compete with relatively minor injuries, compared to Tiger.
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  • SIHAB
    SIHAB Posts: 2,116
    I'm not on a Tiger hunt. I hope he gets the help he needs.
  • billbillw
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    40+ over the speed limit and an accident would result in a reckless driving ticket at the very least in any state that I’ve lived in. He is definitely getting preferential treatment.
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  • BlueFox
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    I don’t think data from onboard sensors is valid for issuing tickets.
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  • txcoastal1
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  • BlueFox
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    txcoastal1 wrote: »

    I’m not a lawyer, but I don’t think that applies to all states.

    “In December 2015, the federal Driver Privacy Act of 2015 was enacted. It places limitations on data retrieval from EDRs and provides that information collected belongs to the owner or lessee of the vehicle.

    Seventeen states--Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Maine, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, North Dakota, Oregon, Texas, Utah, Virginia and Washington--have enacted statutes relating to event data recorders and privacy. Among other provisions, these states provide that data collected from a motor vehicle event data recorder may only be downloaded with the consent of the vehicle owner or policyholder, with certain exceptions.”

    https://www.ncsl.org/research/telecommunications-and-information-technology/privacy-of-data-from-event-data-recorders.aspx
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  • audioluvr
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    If the vehicle was airborne and his foot was on both the brake and accelerator. It would rev up and could have pegged the speedo.
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  • PSOVLSK
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    My son was in a single vehicle accident where his truck rolled and he was thrown from the vehicle. He was given a citation for not wearing a seat and for speeding. No reckless driving charges, no toxicology reports. Nothing but the two tickets.
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 22,891
    audioluvr wrote: »
    If the vehicle was airborne and his foot was on both the brake and accelerator. It would rev up and could have pegged the speedo.

    The damage to the vehicle was consistent with the speed indicated by the black box.
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  • txcoastal1
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    edited April 10
    BlueFox wrote: »
    txcoastal1 wrote: »

    I’m not a lawyer, but I don’t think that applies to all states.

    “In December 2015, the federal Driver Privacy Act of 2015 was enacted. It places limitations on data retrieval from EDRs and provides that information collected belongs to the owner or lessee of the vehicle.

    Seventeen states--Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Maine, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, North Dakota, Oregon, Texas, Utah, Virginia and Washington--have enacted statutes relating to event data recorders and privacy. Among other provisions, these states provide that data collected from a motor vehicle event data recorder may only be downloaded with the consent of the vehicle owner or policyholder, with certain exceptions.”

    https://www.ncsl.org/research/telecommunications-and-information-technology/privacy-of-data-from-event-data-recorders.aspx

    And those certain exceptions are:---

    California
    1) with owner’s consent; 2) court order; 3) vehicle safety research;

    Or as stated in other states
    3) emergency investigation; 4) emergency medical care; 5) medical and vehicle safety research;
    2) pursuant to a search warrant;

    Also, due to the fact that the entire world knows the information that is on Tiger's black box, and I seriously doubt Tiger nor his lawyers gave consent to obtain and publicly distribute that information.
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  • Kex
    Kex Posts: 4,358
    FWIW, the Sheriff specifically stated that they couldn’t release the information earlier, because they HAD to get Tiger Woods’ consent to do so.

    That implies that they did get a warrant for the information on the EDR (which is what they stated) but that warrant doesn’t allow them to release the information.
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 18,382
    decal wrote: »
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    13 accidents around the location Tiger had his crash on that road. According to the news last night they're have been multiple calls to look at "fixing" that part of the roadway.

    Fix it by slowing down,no need to drive that fast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Of course I agree with the speed. My post was way before they knew the speed he(Tiger)was traveling. Regardless the folks who commented about fixing that section I'd like to think they were going the posted speed limit.
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