eBay seller bad packing result
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Tony M
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I went ahead and ordered some Polk MW6600 speakers from a seller on eBay.
He had a bad review about packing being inadequate. I addressed this issue and requested he be certain to pack these 3 MW6600s very well for the cross country trip.
That request was minimally followed. The box arrived today with weight on one side of the box. Yea, all 3 woofers on one side. I opened the box and what a disappointing sight to see light soft fluffy pillow batting, minimal amount too, as the protective packing material. There were foam round plugs covering the center cones for some reason. There was some LITTLE, VERY LITTLE cardboard slivers (stand-offs maybe) that did god knows what. It was a cluster f**4 in this box.
The first speaker came out ok. the second was upside-down slicing into the third's center cap. NOT GOOD! Well the second was fine but that third is DOA. Sliced to death!
I tested the other 2 good ones and they seem to be fine. Sad deal about the 3rd one. It probably worked , although there is a strange hole in the surround. There is foam stuck to backs of these 3 woofer baskets. Maybe one of you did this foam deadening applique to them.
Here's some picks of this poor guy. Man, I even warned the guy and requested great packing!! You can clearly see the imprint of the one's metal basket rim where it slammed into the cone of the dead one, crushing the center cone. The voice coil is even trashed now. Look at the surrounds twisted shape! A terrible calamity! I could've had 2 working RTA12bs this weekend.
Sad in that this damage could've been avoided!
He had a bad review about packing being inadequate. I addressed this issue and requested he be certain to pack these 3 MW6600s very well for the cross country trip.
That request was minimally followed. The box arrived today with weight on one side of the box. Yea, all 3 woofers on one side. I opened the box and what a disappointing sight to see light soft fluffy pillow batting, minimal amount too, as the protective packing material. There were foam round plugs covering the center cones for some reason. There was some LITTLE, VERY LITTLE cardboard slivers (stand-offs maybe) that did god knows what. It was a cluster f**4 in this box.
The first speaker came out ok. the second was upside-down slicing into the third's center cap. NOT GOOD! Well the second was fine but that third is DOA. Sliced to death!
I tested the other 2 good ones and they seem to be fine. Sad deal about the 3rd one. It probably worked , although there is a strange hole in the surround. There is foam stuck to backs of these 3 woofer baskets. Maybe one of you did this foam deadening applique to them.
Here's some picks of this poor guy. Man, I even warned the guy and requested great packing!! You can clearly see the imprint of the one's metal basket rim where it slammed into the cone of the dead one, crushing the center cone. The voice coil is even trashed now. Look at the surrounds twisted shape! A terrible calamity! I could've had 2 working RTA12bs this weekend.
Sad in that this damage could've been avoided!
Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
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Bummer Tony. I fortunetly have had good luck with shipping mid drivers.Just a dude doing dude-ly things
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He had a bad review about packing being inadequate.
Hopefully you will add this to his review.
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codycatalist wrote: »Bummer Tony. I fortunetly have had good luck with shipping mid drivers.
I don't think this guy has a clue as to how to ship speakers AT ALL. By him putting these funny foam plugs taped to the center cones, they could've caused damage!
I'm VERY lucky that 2 still seem to be ok. Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them. -
Personally if it were me I'd keep none of them. Open a case with eBay.
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I left a comment through the eBay contact box in our sales transaction loop. I haven't heard from him yet.
I see ( On eBay's leave a feedback link) I have to wait 7 days before I can leave a neutral or a negative feedback.
He seemed like a good guy during the buying process. So I'll soon see how he takes this calamity due to his or whoever's poor packing job. I WARNED him it was a long shipment journey and to pack them well!Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them. -
Sadly, the warning you received from his prior feedback was not heeded. I would have never done business with him to start with.The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
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Personally if it were me I'd keep none of them. Open a case with eBay.
I think they're rare 6600's so I want to keep the 2.
They were 33.00 each. Free shipping.Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them. -
nooshinjohn wrote: »Sadly, the warning you received from his prior feedback was not heeded. I would have never done business with him to start with.
I usually don't like NEG. feedback ratings either. But after a few back and forth emails, I THOUGHT he got the concern I was explaining to him. LIVE and LEARN again for me. But if he refunds me 33.00, I'll be ok with it. Saddened for sure but feel ok $ wise.
I guess little foam plugs taped to a center cap is EXTRA packaging safeguards to him. The speakers were really left to bounce around in a box twice their perimeters size. Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them. -
That is such a waste of good speakers, money and time for everyone. Sorry Tony.
I had some drivers shipped from Denmark a couple of years ago for my Kappas.
They came so well packed it could’ve be considered a work of art.Main room- RTiA9 x4, CSiA6, in ceiling Atmos RT-70 x4, SVS PC 4000 x2, Marantz 8805A, OPPO 203, Emotiva DR3 G3, Emotiva XPA-2 G3, Emotiva XPA-5 G3, Emotiva X300, Sony 75" 940E, Panasonic Plasma VT50, PS Audio Power Port X2, PS Audio AC-5 x8, AQ Rocket 33 Biwire speaker cables, AQ King Cobra XLR IC, Furman PFi20 W/Cullen cable, SoildSteel S4-4 rack, Gik room treatments
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That is such a waste of good speakers, money and time for everyone. Sorry Tony.
I had some drivers shipped from Denmark a couple of years ago for my Kappas.
They came so well packed it could’ve be considered a work of art.
I agree. I'm saddened this speaker got DESTROYED because of neglect AFTER a warning was spoken out loud to avoid this from possibly happening. Not a magnet shift... but destroyed and headed for the trash can as soon as this claim is resolved.
I sent a set of fragile whole speakers to a member on this forum here and he commented to me that it was one of the best packing jobs he has seen too. I think he also said it was a work of art the way I packed and protected the fragile grills and those BEAUTIFUL cabinets. It was those Boston M60's that I shipped to him in Indiana I believe it was. Both were in one nice size box too.Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them. -
Sorry to see this Tony. Hey aren’t you able to open a case? eBay has a pretty good buyer protection policy nowadays.Basement: Polk SDA SRS 1.2tl's, Cary SLP-05 Pre with ultimate upgrade,McIntosh MCD301 CD/SACD player, Northstar Designs Excelsio DAC, Cambridge 851N streamer, McIntosh MC300 Amp, Silnote Morpheus Ref2, Series2 Digital Cables, Silnote Morpheus Ref2 Series2 XLR's, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Pangea Power Cables, MIT Shotgun S3 IC's, MIT Shotgun S1 Bi-Wire speaker cables
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Can you get your money back? You may be able to, and also keep the damaged drivers.
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I'm still waiting for the guy to respond. Like I said, he seemed to be ok so I'm not getting worried or more upset... yet.
Drew, there was only one mid-woofer damaged beyond repair. The other 2 seem fine and played well outside of a cabinet though.
I almost had a chance to bring these RTA12b's to full resurrection but only one can be fixed for now. Oh well. I still could try and build the magnet shift correction jig to fix the 2 locked up ones that are in the one cabinet since I have 10' piece of 4" PVC. I looked at it a few times in the past few days too.
I took a frozen driver out yesterday or before and I didn't see where the magnet was shifted. Maybe we can't tell by looking. But how do we FREE up a locked driver if we can't see what direction to free it up?
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Sorry to see this Tony. Hey aren’t you able to open a case? eBay has a pretty good buyer protection policy nowadays.
Still waiting for his reply. I'm sure he's BUMMED or is going to be! He or somebody isn't experienced at packing.
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Tony there is very little gap between the voice coil and pole piece. So no it usually is not readily apparent.
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That's a shame, hate to see it.
When I sell drivers, I will find a slightly oversized box by bout 1" per side... line the bottom with 1" foam, then take second layer of foam - place the woofer in the center, cut out a circle the size of the magnet. Place the woofer in the box anchored in the foam cut out. Place paper/bubble wrap up to the top of the frame all the way around, 1 layer of bubble wrap over the cone/surround (one sheet). Then place one more layer of 1" foam. Seal up. Never had a damaged driver in shipment.
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That's a shame, hate to see it.
When I sell drivers, I will find a slightly oversized box by bout 1" per side... line the bottom with 1" foam, then take second layer of foam - place the woofer in the center, cut out a circle the size of the magnet. Place the woofer in the box anchored in the foam cut out. Place paper/bubble wrap up to the top of the frame all the way around, 1 layer of bubble wrap over the cone/surround (one sheet). Then place one more layer of 1" foam. Seal up. Never had a damaged driver in shipment.
With multiple drivers either zip tie or bolt them face to face and then do as Trey did top and bottom with the magnet cut out and extra foam then box single driver separately. Even with all precautions taken you're at the mercy of the shippers. The seller can try to turn that into shipping ins. but it will be denied as it was not remotely packed correctly. -
Tony, do NOT toss that driver, it too can be repaired. Look through the repair thread and find the part number I listed (it may be in a picture I posted). One cut and 4 screws later and you're cooking. If you can't locate that piece, I can ship one to you. I found it at an Ace hardware, but most plumbing supplies should have it.
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I appreciate your opinion. I just picked the damaged one back up and the scraping voice coil scrapes bad. But if I force the cone to one side, it moves freely. But it's a good effort to quieten the scratchiness. The rubber surround has straitened out from what it looked like yesterday. There's still a wrinkle in it though. The hole is there too.
I looked in your linked thread and saw the PVC fitting you described just now and use as your jig now. I used to do plumbing so I know PVC and it's fittings pretty well. I was JUST at Lowes home improvement and bought some locktight to prevent magnet shifting but forgot to go to the PVC dept. and pick up that fitting. DUH. Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them. -
I am also sorry for your PFB experience (imposed upon you)
Common sense fell by the wayside years ago. I still cannot grasp the level of unconscionable acts by MOST people these days
The level of stupidity is off the charts. EVERY day I SMH and mutter expletives
I hope the issues are resolved to your satisfaction
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I agree.
Common sense isn't so common anymore.
From the web;
Common Sense Test...
Common sense is sound practical judgment concerning everyday matters, or a basic ability to perceive, understand, and judge that is shared by ("common to") nearly all people. The first type of common sense, good sense, can be described as "the knack for seeing things as they are, and doing things as they ought to be done."
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eBAY + uncommon, valuable speaker drivers =
https://audiokarma.org/forums/index.php?threads/when-bad-people-happen-to-good-woofers.359816/
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mhardy6647 wrote: »eBAY + uncommon, valuable speaker drivers =
https://audiokarma.org/forums/index.php?threads/when-bad-people-happen-to-good-woofers.359816/
Every time I see that I shutter.Just a dude doing dude-ly things
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That's close to what mine looked like. Angle wise.
I'm with all of you who hate to see good or GREAT audio things abused, trashed or destroyed.
I still cringe thinking about a member's BIG SRS's being put out at the street and then the trash truck crane claws picking them up and dropping ...
I have to stop! Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them. -
IMO/IME, buying a turntable on eBAY, on the average, is signing said tt's death warrant.
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Honestly, I think people over think packing to the point they just don't understand it or they feel it is to expensive. The 1 inch and 2 inch foam sold at home depot is excellent and relatively inexpensive.
Packing products like bubble wrap and paper is insanely expensive to me. That's why I keep a 40 gallon trash bag in a closet and save any and all packing products that come in the mail from orders.- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit. -
I saved so much packing stuff, it became like a hoarders pile. So I threw a bunch away a few years ago!
BUT, I did use a couple hundred dollars worth of that earlier saved packing stuff to pack a few sets of speakers I sold on this forum. It sure came in handy.
But then I didn't want to sell or ship or meet anybody because of my neck pain and over the years from buying stuff off from the web, it accumulated some more and one day...out it went. I might have some bubble wrap still, but for the last few years, mostly what comes in, goes to the recycle bin or trash can. Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them. -
mhardy6647 wrote: »IMO/IME, buying a turntable on eBAY, on the average, is signing said tt's death warrant.
This, after asking the seller that it be properly packed, platter removed, etc. I got a lecture that they have been doing this for years, rest assured....blah blah. Fortunately I was able to extract parts needed to repair Noel's TT.
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I got a similar "don't worry, I'll pack them well".Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
