LSiM703 versus S55

MilitoMilito Posts: 1,087
I see the 703 are on sale so I need opinions please.

I have a pair of S55's and a S30 and I would like to know how much better the 703's would sound compared to the S55's. Use is about 60-70% TV and movies and 30-40% music.

I have no experience with the 703's so I need some opinions from the experts.

I am using a Yamaha 2070 and an Outlaw 5000. I do have a HSU sub.

Thanks

Yamaha RX-A2070, Music Hall A70.2 integrated amp, B&K 4420 Reference, Benchmark Dac1, Bluesound NODE 2i, HSU VTF-2 MK5, LSiM705, LSiM704, Douglas Connection Alpha 12AWG OCC Speaker Cables, Douglas Connection Alpha Analog Interconnect Cables, Audioquest Interconnects and Digital Cables, Douglas Connection Alpha 11 OCC Custom Power Cable, Cullen Gold Power Cable, Signal Power Cable, Furman PL-8C 15 Power Conditioner, Fluance RT85, Parasound Zphono USB Phono Preamp, Sony 65" 900F, Sony UBP-X700, Fios.

Comments

  • pyrocyborgpyrocyborg Posts: 524
    edited March 2019
    Never heard the Signature series, but my guess is that they're closer to the RTi and RTiA line in sound than anything else while being smoother, which honestly isn't bad at all for both music and HT duty.

    Also, better is relative. Is the LSiM line better than the Signature line? Most definitely, but we really cannot quantify enjoyment, and that's something that you'll have to hear for yourself. I'm one of those who believe that one would be better served with better bookshelf speakers, proper stands and a subwoofer than equally priced floorstanding speakers.

    With that being said, the 703s are large bookshelf speakers, but they won't go as low as your S55 can. I can't see the -3db figure for the S55, but for the sake of specs comparison, the LSiM 703 can go as "deep" as 36 Hz, while the S55 goes down to 32 Hz. Still, you'll probably end up setting the crossover at 60 Hz on both speakers so that they don't suffer too much, so it might not be that different when it comes to low end.

    If anything, the 703s with your subwoofer would probably be more musical than your S55 with the same sub, with a more "faithful" reproduction both due to it's more neutral and revealing nature, but it might be a tad less vibrant which might be what you like in your HT setup. I mean, I love my HT, but it's on the mellow and polite side of things. I remember that my RTiA speakers used to deliver more "impact" in the upper frequencies than my LSiM currently do, but I kinda like it that way now, even for movies nights.

    It also depends on the rest of your setup : Do you have a center channel? If so, using the 703s might sound different when the voice is panning from side to center.

    Still, the 703s really deserve the praise. At current sales prices (or lower, if you're, like me, "lucky" enough to receive a slightly "damaged" speaker), they're a really good pick. At full price, not so much (especially since they're always on sale).

    Plus, I find that bookies are easier to set up properly than tower speakers, but that probably only matters if your room is subpar like mine.. ;)

    In the end, even if I lack the proper experience with the Signature line, my post should at least serve as a /bump.
    Post edited by pyrocyborg on
    Speakers: Polk Audio LSiM 705, LSiM 703, LSiM 704c
    Receiver: Denon X3500H
  • msgmsg Posts: 6,153
    I run an LSiM front stage. A couple of summers ago, I had S20s in the main system for several weeks for testing, and found that they edged out 703s for HT.

    For music, however, 703s offered noticeable refinements. Additional musical detail, such as being better with decay, for example. If you're not listening closely for the difference, or not going from 703 to Signature series, both are pleasing. Actually, with that last bit there, I was just reminded of something else I remember sharing at the time - I wasn't particularly missing the 703s when I switched in the S20s, which I thought was testament to the S20s, obviously, and completely unexpected. If I had to choose one, I'd take the hit on HT for the bump in music performance and go LSiM, but if I were starting over again in this hobby and started with Signature instead of RTi, I think I'd have been done before I got sucked in.

    The S20s were not a glaring mismatch for use with a 706 center when back in 3.1 mode. I'd suspect it'd be close enough going the other way, too, though I remember @hermitism saying he found he missed his RTis for theater when he first got his 703s.

    Depending on your room size you may be able to use 703s without the sub for music.

    As pcb says, whether worth the benefits or whether they'll fit will fall to your experience with them.

    I will say that I can remember noticing 703s sounding particularly good about 6-9 months into ownership, and that was even with daily use the whole time, so they'll take some real time to break in and will get better with time.
    I disabled signatures.
  • halohalo Posts: 5,600
    I had the 705's and the S60's. In my listening environment, on my gear, and, to my ears, I preferred the S60's by a slim margin. A margin is a margin and I sold the LSiM 705's in favor of keeping the S60's (for a while). YMMV.
  • MilitoMilito Posts: 1,087
    Thanks everyone for the opinions, I appreciate you all taking the time to respond.

    My wife would like smaller speakers as I got the S55's when she was out of town and she was too happy with them being taller than the speakers I had before. I mentioned these to her, but she wants to see what the stands would like with the speakers.
    Yamaha RX-A2070, Music Hall A70.2 integrated amp, B&K 4420 Reference, Benchmark Dac1, Bluesound NODE 2i, HSU VTF-2 MK5, LSiM705, LSiM704, Douglas Connection Alpha 12AWG OCC Speaker Cables, Douglas Connection Alpha Analog Interconnect Cables, Audioquest Interconnects and Digital Cables, Douglas Connection Alpha 11 OCC Custom Power Cable, Cullen Gold Power Cable, Signal Power Cable, Furman PL-8C 15 Power Conditioner, Fluance RT85, Parasound Zphono USB Phono Preamp, Sony 65" 900F, Sony UBP-X700, Fios.
  • halohalo Posts: 5,600
    Milito wrote: »
    Thanks everyone for the opinions, I appreciate you all taking the time to respond.

    My wife would like smaller speakers as I got the S55's when she was out of town and she was too happy with them being taller than the speakers I had before. I mentioned these to her, but she wants to see what the stands would like with the speakers.

    Same floorspace overall, most likely, and the stands will be an additional co$t
  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 6,799
    edited March 2019
    Living Room 2.1: Dynaudio Contour 1.3mkii; Martin Logan Grotto sub; Musical Fidelity A308; Cambridge Azur 851N; Sony UBP-x1000es
    Game Room HT: Denon AVR-X4200w; Sony UBP-x700; Definitive Technology SM450; Definitive Technology LCR2000; Definitive Technology Procinema 800; Mirage Nanasats; Sub - HSU VTF-2 MK5
    Master Bedroom
    Cambridge Azur 551r; Definitive Technology StudioMonitor350; ACI Titan Subwoofer
  • mlistens03mlistens03 Posts: 2,759
    halo wrote: »
    Milito wrote: »
    Thanks everyone for the opinions, I appreciate you all taking the time to respond.

    My wife would like smaller speakers as I got the S55's when she was out of town and she was too happy with them being taller than the speakers I had before. I mentioned these to her, but she wants to see what the stands would like with the speakers.

    Same floorspace overall, most likely, and the stands will be an additional co$t

    When I switched from my LSis to my KEFs, I ended up losing more floor space due to the size of the base of the stand. But it looks like there is more space, because despite the fact that the KEFs on the stands are almost as tall and deep as the LSis were, the fact that there is just a pillar instead of the large cabinet makes the space seem to be bigger. FWIW, IMO, IME, etc. :)
  • rburgess714rburgess714 Posts: 579
    I have the 60s and 30 as my front sound stage and they serve me well for ht and 2-channel, wonderful speakers. I also have the 703s in another system and think they are a bit more musical. I occasionally rotate the 703s into my ht-hybrid 2 channel rig and the 60s into the dedicated 2 channel and really like them both. I would have a hard time getting rid of either pair which I doubt that helps you. However, if you go with 703s you will need some good stands and the footprint will be close to that of the towers. Also, if there are kids or pets in the house that could be a case for towers.
    Living Room
    Musical Fidelity M6si, Yamaha Aventage RX-A 1060, Yamaha BD-S681, Cambridge Audio Azur 851N, Polk S60, Polk S30, Samsung 60" LED

    Office
    Yamaha A-S501, Auralic Aries Mini, LSiM 703s

    Douglas Connection ICs and Cables
  • rburgess714rburgess714 Posts: 579
    Milito wrote: »
    Thanks everyone for the opinions, I appreciate you all taking the time to respond.

    My wife would like smaller speakers as I got the S55's when she was out of town and she was too happy with them being taller than the speakers I had before. I mentioned these to her, but she wants to see what the stands would like with the speakers.


    To give you/her a idea of what the 703s look like on stands.
    Living Room
    Musical Fidelity M6si, Yamaha Aventage RX-A 1060, Yamaha BD-S681, Cambridge Audio Azur 851N, Polk S60, Polk S30, Samsung 60" LED

    Office
    Yamaha A-S501, Auralic Aries Mini, LSiM 703s

    Douglas Connection ICs and Cables
  • rburgess714rburgess714 Posts: 579
    edited March 2019
    fqktqnyk2865.jpeg
    do3kbjr706py.jpeg
    rjrv60jn5tbw.jpeg
    Living Room
    Musical Fidelity M6si, Yamaha Aventage RX-A 1060, Yamaha BD-S681, Cambridge Audio Azur 851N, Polk S60, Polk S30, Samsung 60" LED

    Office
    Yamaha A-S501, Auralic Aries Mini, LSiM 703s

    Douglas Connection ICs and Cables
  • MilitoMilito Posts: 1,087
    edited March 2019
    Oh well looks like I'm out. Thanks everyone and thanks for posting the pictures.

    I showed my wife a bunch of stands and she hates the look of the speakers with stands. It's in our main living area so she has a say in what goes in there as I'm sure those that are married understand. She said if it was any other room they would be okay.

    She said when I bought the S55's she wished they were shorter so I had mentioned these to her since they were smaller and were on sale at such a good price.
    Yamaha RX-A2070, Music Hall A70.2 integrated amp, B&K 4420 Reference, Benchmark Dac1, Bluesound NODE 2i, HSU VTF-2 MK5, LSiM705, LSiM704, Douglas Connection Alpha 12AWG OCC Speaker Cables, Douglas Connection Alpha Analog Interconnect Cables, Audioquest Interconnects and Digital Cables, Douglas Connection Alpha 11 OCC Custom Power Cable, Cullen Gold Power Cable, Signal Power Cable, Furman PL-8C 15 Power Conditioner, Fluance RT85, Parasound Zphono USB Phono Preamp, Sony 65" 900F, Sony UBP-X700, Fios.
  • msgmsg Posts: 6,153
    Oh, man. Well, I have to say, I didn't like the look of stands at first. I thought it was weird, but they really grew on me pretty quickly, and now I thoroughly enjoy the look. Gotta bind the cables, but that's not hard.

    Those Pangeas like Ray posted look great with 703s as shown.
    I disabled signatures.
  • rburgess714rburgess714 Posts: 579
    Yes but this man has learned a Happy wife is a Happy life. Some of us are slow learners😆
    Living Room
    Musical Fidelity M6si, Yamaha Aventage RX-A 1060, Yamaha BD-S681, Cambridge Audio Azur 851N, Polk S60, Polk S30, Samsung 60" LED

    Office
    Yamaha A-S501, Auralic Aries Mini, LSiM 703s

    Douglas Connection ICs and Cables
  • rburgess714rburgess714 Posts: 579
    Okay speaking for myself.
    Living Room
    Musical Fidelity M6si, Yamaha Aventage RX-A 1060, Yamaha BD-S681, Cambridge Audio Azur 851N, Polk S60, Polk S30, Samsung 60" LED

    Office
    Yamaha A-S501, Auralic Aries Mini, LSiM 703s

    Douglas Connection ICs and Cables
  • MilitoMilito Posts: 1,087
    We are all slow learners.
    Yamaha RX-A2070, Music Hall A70.2 integrated amp, B&K 4420 Reference, Benchmark Dac1, Bluesound NODE 2i, HSU VTF-2 MK5, LSiM705, LSiM704, Douglas Connection Alpha 12AWG OCC Speaker Cables, Douglas Connection Alpha Analog Interconnect Cables, Audioquest Interconnects and Digital Cables, Douglas Connection Alpha 11 OCC Custom Power Cable, Cullen Gold Power Cable, Signal Power Cable, Furman PL-8C 15 Power Conditioner, Fluance RT85, Parasound Zphono USB Phono Preamp, Sony 65" 900F, Sony UBP-X700, Fios.
  • mantismantis Posts: 15,986
    edited March 2019
    fqktqnyk2865.jpeg
    do3kbjr706py.jpeg
    rjrv60jn5tbw.jpeg
    That's a cool looking cabinet. I suggest you change your layout due to the center channel being to low to the ground. Your gonna have a reflection issue even though you have a throw rug just about where the reflection is going to happen. If you Swap your AVR and Center position your gonna notice a pretty big difference in center clarity. Even better would be to place it on top of the cabinet and put the amp where the center is now. That would make and even bigger difference.
    Dan
    My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
  • rburgess714rburgess714 Posts: 579
    mantis wrote: »
    fqktqnyk2865.jpeg
    do3kbjr706py.jpeg
    rjrv60jn5tbw.jpeg
    That's a cool looking cabinet. I suggest you change your layout due to the center channel being to low to the ground. Your gonna have a reflection issue even though you have a throw rug just about where the reflection is going to happen. If you Swap your AVR and Center position your gonna notice a pretty big difference in center clarity. Even better would be to place it on top of the cabinet and put the amp where the center is now. That would make and even bigger difference.

    Thank you sir. Slightly modified by removing the back panel for ventilation except for the area behind doors.

    I agree and have had it where the AVR is and should switch it back. It would sound best on top but it’s a little too tall and I think I would need longer ICs.

    Thanks for the suggestion.
    Living Room
    Musical Fidelity M6si, Yamaha Aventage RX-A 1060, Yamaha BD-S681, Cambridge Audio Azur 851N, Polk S60, Polk S30, Samsung 60" LED

    Office
    Yamaha A-S501, Auralic Aries Mini, LSiM 703s

    Douglas Connection ICs and Cables
Sign In or Register to comment.

Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!