who made this stuff (Japanese brands and their contractors)

mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 22,979
I was dimly aware of this* but the link popped up again Somewhere Else today & I thought that some of you all might find it interesting.

"The Web of Japanese Contractors"

http://www.thevintageknob.org/tvk_talk/viewtopic.php?f=1503&t=2395

... or "who made this stuff?" :)

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* I had it bookmarked, so I must have known about it previously! :p


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  • DollarDaveDollarDave Posts: 2,590
    Very interesting read!
  • Moose68BashMoose68Bash Posts: 3,597
    Yes, very interesting.
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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 42,679
    Wow, the guy had a lot of time on his hands!
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  • verbverb Posts: 7,647
    Interesting read for sure. But really not atypical of any industry. In my biz (automotive) we subcontract identical parts to multiple sources, to keep up with production demands. The key to maintaining quality is having and enforcing rigid performance specifications. Even today, common (non proprietary) components are shared among other OEMs, who otherwise would be the competition!
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 22,979
    F1nut wrote: »
    Wow, the guy had a lot of time on his hands!

    and/or OCD and/or on the spectrum...
    with, in all seriousness, no offense meant to those who fall into either, or both categories -- hifi wouldn't be the same without us. ;)
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 22,979
    verb wrote: »
    Interesting read for sure. But really not atypical of any industry. In my biz (automotive) we subcontract identical parts to multiple sources, to keep up with production demands. The key to maintaining quality is having and enforcing rigid performance specifications. Even today, common (non proprietary) components are shared among other OEMs, who otherwise would be the competition!

    Right -- but there is this weird belief in hifi that when something says, e.g., "Marantz" (or even "Realistic", for that matter) on it, that its provenance is more fixed than, in many cases, it actually is (or was).

    There was (and still is) quite a bit of badge engineering in hifi, too -- some examples being more egregious than others.

    Here's an only mildly egregious one :)

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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 22,979
    ... and I reckon Clearaudio laughed all the way to the bank when McIntosh paid 'em to make OEM tts with a big blue meter to indicate the speed selected :)

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  • txcoastal1txcoastal1 Posts: 10,582
    Back in the day, we couldn't afford name brands like Sony. I wanted a disc man really bad, because all the other kids had one. I ended up with a Realistic. I had knocked it off my dresser once and had to do a little surgery to get it up and running...guess what was inside the box???...All Sony parts :)
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  • verbverb Posts: 7,647
    Interesting. Or the most egregious (maybe not but good business) they simply buy the minor company, and re-brand it.
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  • Dennis GardnerDennis Gardner Posts: 4,801
    edited January 1
    Alex must be the DarqueKnight of Japanese Audio History.
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  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 14,309
    txcoastal1 wrote: »
    Back in the day, we couldn't afford name brands like Sony. I wanted a disc man really bad, because all the other kids had one. I ended up with a Realistic. I had knocked it off my dresser once and had to do a little surgery to get it up and running...guess what was inside the box???...All Sony parts :)

    you know there is a ton of truth to that.

    After my second Pioneer CD player had problems I had taken it to the local repair shop. The price to fix was almost as much as the player. I had a good relationship with the owner and after talking to him he opened up the pioneer and pointed out all the important chips and other parts all said yep SONY. He then said " Do yourself a favor go buy a Sony" ... He also said I've never had to work on any of the Sony's. So I did just that and you know what both of those Sony ES CD players are still playing after 30+ yrs. My Sony X33ES I did do a complete recap on but other than that both still work. The only reason I had to recap the X33 was because Sony used Elna Dourex II electrolytic caps in it instead of the better Elna caps they used prior. Those are nasty nasty caps and will flat eat out your copper traces.... Don't ask me how I know this.

    My son is using the first one I bought after the Pioneer. It was a Sony 508ES (I think) still never any problems and it has tens of thousands of hours on it. He uses it daily just like I did for years.
  • verbverb Posts: 7,647
    edited January 1
    So @mhardy6647 Professor I had to look. I have a Luxman TP-114 Tuner/Pre-Amp. No T-tag. In reading the link all export models did not have any, so there is no way to know if mine was made by a 3rd Party.
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 22,979
    I don't think so, no.
  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 42,679
    verb wrote: »
    So @mhardy6647 Professor I had to look. I have a Luxman TP-114 Tuner/Pre-Amp. No T-tag. In reading the link all export models did not have any, so there is no way to know if mine was made by a 3rd Party.
    3pjlobghzw7h.jpg

    I think it is very clear that almost every piece of gear made has a 3rd party involved.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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