who made this stuff (Japanese brands and their contractors)
mhardy6647
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I was dimly aware of this* but the link popped up again Somewhere Else today & I thought that some of you all might find it interesting.
"The Web of Japanese Contractors"
http://www.thevintageknob.org/tvk_talk/viewtopic.php?f=1503&t=2395
... or "who made this stuff?"
Happy New Year!
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* I had it bookmarked, so I must have known about it previously!
"The Web of Japanese Contractors"
http://www.thevintageknob.org/tvk_talk/viewtopic.php?f=1503&t=2395
... or "who made this stuff?"
Happy New Year!
_________________
* I had it bookmarked, so I must have known about it previously!
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and/or OCD and/or on the spectrum...
with, in all seriousness, no offense meant to those who fall into either, or both categories -- hifi wouldn't be the same without us.
Right -- but there is this weird belief in hifi that when something says, e.g., "Marantz" (or even "Realistic", for that matter) on it, that its provenance is more fixed than, in many cases, it actually is (or was).
There was (and still is) quite a bit of badge engineering in hifi, too -- some examples being more egregious than others.
Here's an only mildly egregious one
Desktop rig: LSi7, Polk 110sub, Dayens Ampino amp, W4S DAC/pre, Sonos, JRiver
Gear on standby: Melody 101 tube pre, Unison Research Simply Italy Integrated
Gone to new homes: (Matt Polk's)Threshold Stasis SA12e monoblocks, Pass XA30.5 amp, Usher MD2 speakers, Dynaudio C4 platinum speakers, Modwright LS100 (voltz), Simaudio 780D DAC
Office: PC, EAR Acute CD Player, EAR 834L Pre, PASS ACA Monoblocks, Denon UDR-F10 Cassette, Acoustic Technologies Classic FR Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus sub, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable, Groneberg Quatro Reference IC's
Spare Room: , Antique Sound Labs Wave AV-8 Monoblocks, Tisbury Mini Passive Pre, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Analysis Plus Oval 9's, Zu Jumpers, AudioEngine B1 Streamer, Klipsch RB-61 v2, SVS PB1000 sub, Blue Jeans RCA IC's
Living Room: Peachtree Nova Integrated, Cambridge CXN v2 Streamer, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi sub
2 Channel Thorens TD 318 Grado ZF1, SACD/CD Marantz 8260, Soundstream/Krell DAC1, Audio Mirror PP1, Odyssey Stratos, ADS L-1290, ICs-DIY Twisted , Speaker-Raymond Cable
you know there is a ton of truth to that.
After my second Pioneer CD player had problems I had taken it to the local repair shop. The price to fix was almost as much as the player. I had a good relationship with the owner and after talking to him he opened up the pioneer and pointed out all the important chips and other parts all said yep SONY. He then said " Do yourself a favor go buy a Sony" ... He also said I've never had to work on any of the Sony's. So I did just that and you know what both of those Sony ES CD players are still playing after 30+ yrs. My Sony X33ES I did do a complete recap on but other than that both still work. The only reason I had to recap the X33 was because Sony used Elna Dourex II electrolytic caps in it instead of the better Elna caps they used prior. Those are nasty nasty caps and will flat eat out your copper traces.... Don't ask me how I know this.
My son is using the first one I bought after the Pioneer. It was a Sony 508ES (I think) still never any problems and it has tens of thousands of hours on it. He uses it daily just like I did for years.
Office: PC, EAR Acute CD Player, EAR 834L Pre, PASS ACA Monoblocks, Denon UDR-F10 Cassette, Acoustic Technologies Classic FR Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus sub, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable, Groneberg Quatro Reference IC's
Spare Room: , Antique Sound Labs Wave AV-8 Monoblocks, Tisbury Mini Passive Pre, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Analysis Plus Oval 9's, Zu Jumpers, AudioEngine B1 Streamer, Klipsch RB-61 v2, SVS PB1000 sub, Blue Jeans RCA IC's
Living Room: Peachtree Nova Integrated, Cambridge CXN v2 Streamer, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi sub
I think it is very clear that almost every piece of gear made has a 3rd party involved.
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk