LSiM 707s: 2.5-3 dB difference

alucidideaalucididea Posts: 105
edited June 25 in Speakers
So I hooked up my new preamp and as I was listening and setting up, I’m hearing a solid difference in output between the 707s. When the balance is even, I’m clearly hearing the right channel higher. And even when I I shove the balance over 2.5-3 dB, they sound sort of even, but even the right still pushes more high frequencies. It’s driving me pretty crazy, truth be told.

I’m going to hook up a couple other sets to speakers to troubleshoot before I contact Polk. I’d rather not have to try and send one/either of them in, especially since both the boxes got relatively destroyed in shipping.

Is this sort of thing normal in production to have such a difference between units?

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  • FestYboyFestYboy Posts: 2,988
    No, I'd be checking the bias on the preamp before condemning any speakers.
  • alucidideaalucididea Posts: 105
    edited June 25
    FestYboy wrote: »
    No, I'd be checking the bias on the preamp before condemning any speakers.
    No bias switches on either amp or preamp. NAD M22/M12
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 15,134
    edited June 26
    Check that all drivers are working properly. Also might not hurt to check polarity of each driver. The second part requires pulling drivers out so try another pair of speakers first to ensure it isn't the preamp. Actually, switch the speaker cables and see if the issue follows the channel or the speaker.
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  • FestYboyFestYboy Posts: 2,988
    Reading the first post (to me) indicates that this issue only presented itself after the preamp was installed. If this is wrong, please clarify.
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 30,170
    edited June 26
    FestYboy wrote: »
    Reading the first post (to me) indicates that this issue only presented itself after the preamp was installed. If this is wrong, please clarify.

    That's my take also.

    If the new pre is of substantial improvement over what you had been using, what your hearing may be just simply a better separation of instruments and imaging. Also placement of the speakers in relation to your listening position and room reflections can also give the illusion of one speaker being louder. I highly doubt it's the speakers.

    Check all your wire connections also.
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,971
    Any updates?
  • alucidideaalucididea Posts: 105
    Clipdat wrote: »
    Any updates?
    Sorry, none yet. I’ve been a little too busy to do a full troubleshooting with it all.
  • GospelTruthGospelTruth Posts: 326
    Sounds obvious, but did you switch the speakers and move the right one to the left and the left to the right? If the one speaker is still lower when moved, then you've isolated it to the speaker. If it's still the right channel, then it's your pre or room. Best way to see if it's the speaker though.
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  • alucidideaalucididea Posts: 105
    edited June 27
    Sounds obvious, but did you switch the speakers and move the right one to the left and the left to the right? If the one speaker is still lower when moved, then you've isolated it to the speaker. If it's still the right channel, then it's your pre or room. Best way to see if it's the speaker though.
    So I tried switching the channels at the input, no help. I just switched the speakers a few minutes ago. In both cases it still leans to the right, so it’s not the speaker.

    If it’s not the speakers or the pre, it’s either the cables or room. Obviously I’m trying the cables next.
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 979
    Room dynamics for me always changes the perceived output of each side. I have windows/Wall left and open right so it always sounds louder from the left side. I’m sure that’s obvious but...
  • alucidideaalucididea Posts: 105
    I’m not positive, but I think I may just have some hearing loss in my left ear. Maybe one too many loud concerts or something. Guess I’m going in to get my hearing checked...
  • Airplay355Airplay355 Posts: 4,272
    Can you use a db meter app or db meter to test individual channels? Or, unplug a speaker and do it the old fashioned way :)
  • alucidideaalucididea Posts: 105
    edited July 1
    Airplay355 wrote: »
    Can you use a db meter app or db meter to test individual channels? Or, unplug a speaker and do it the old fashioned way :)
    Maybe. I didn’t even think to check for an app. I’ll have to look into that.
  • Airplay355Airplay355 Posts: 4,272
    I have a free db meter app just called db meter. Seems to do the job well enough. It's not something I would use to setup room correction software but maybe it will help you figure out if one speaker is a few db lower than the other. It's an iOS app but maybe there's an android version as well.
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