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TSi 500 - too much bass

zioniaczioniac Posts: 8
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So I recently bought these and have them hooked up to my 2 channel Onkyo TX-8050 receiver and I've noticed that there is too bass. And not good bass, sort of rumbling bass. I left the jumpers on the bi-wire speakers terminals and connected some monster cable to the lower terminal. Has anyone else run into this sound problem? I've played many different styles of music, and even the most quiet film score seems too bassy. I of course have adjusted the levels on the receiver and it doesn't sound as good as it should.
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  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 16,280
    Do you have a picture of the setup?
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,279
    What is your source?
    "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
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  • zioniaczioniac Posts: 8
    Playing Blu-rays and CD's through a Oppo BDP-203 and vinyl with a Audio Technica LP-60. All components and even the speaker cable is the same as before, the only thing that has changed is the speakers. My old Philips speakers worked fine.
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  • zioniaczioniac Posts: 8
    I have no optimizers or equalization on. The bass is at 3/4 and the treble is all the way.
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,279
    What does this mean? Can you post a photo of the knob positions?
    zioniac wrote: »
    The bass is at 3/4 and the treble is all the way.

    "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 31,647
    zioniac wrote: »
    I have no optimizers or equalization on. The bass is at 3/4 and the treble is all the way.

    Dontcha think that's a bit too high then ?
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  • Jimbo18Jimbo18 Posts: 2,161
    Clipdat wrote: »
    What does this mean? Can you post a photo of the knob positions?
    zioniac wrote: »
    The bass is at 3/4 and the treble is all the way.

    His receiver has knobs on the front for Bass and Treble. I assume that means he has the knob at 3/4's of the way around. That might have been okay with his old Phillips speakers, but it's probably causing his boom-i-ness now.
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,279
    LOL. Holy cow, if that's it.. I mean...

    Put the bass knob at the "12:00" position and carry on.
    Jimbo18 wrote: »
    His receiver has knobs on the front for Bass and Treble. I assume that means he has the knob at 3/4's of the way around. That might have been okay with his old Phillips speakers, but it's probably causing his boom-i-ness now.

    "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
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  • zioniaczioniac Posts: 8
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,279
    Yeah, leave the bass and treble knobs at the center "12:00" detent. Problem solved.
    "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
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  • zioniaczioniac Posts: 8
    Not problem solved, but guys anyways.
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  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 14,876
    zioniac wrote: »
    Not problem solved, but guys anyways.

    please explain
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,279
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    "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
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  • zioniaczioniac Posts: 8
    If you turn the levels down, it sounds pretty flat. Once the bass reaches a certain point it becomes rumbling. I have tried every setting. Would you suggest hooking the cable to the upper connectors on the speakers?
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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 43,068
    Listen to what people are telling you. Turn the damn tone controls to flat. I suspect you've been listening to pumped up frequencies for so long that you don't know what the music is actually supposed to sound like. Try this, set them to flat and listen to your rig that way for a week. By that time you should have adjusted to the sound and I'll bet you like it.
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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 43,068
    edited June 2018
    An additional comment. After the week is over buy some better speaker/interconnect cables. What you are using now is not doing you any favors.
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,279
    It looks like he's got them "integrated" into the wall though, for a no cables look!
    F1nut wrote: »
    An additional comment. After the week is over buy some better speaker/interconnect cables. What you are using now is not doing you any favors.

    "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
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  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 14,876
    I run absolutely no tone controls. I have them turned off on my pre so my dipstick friends can turn them all they want and it does nothing.
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  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 2,141
    I agree, turn them knobs down to flat or close to it. Also please check your connections making sure + to + and - to -, Sometimes having one crossed will cause funky sounding equipment.

    Not a big fan of monster cable either. Monoprice is better and cheaper. Do yourself a favor, call Doug and get some Furez https://douglasconnection.com/Furez-12-AWG-2-Conductor-Speaker-Cable-Raw-FZ122.htm Far much better cable than Monster. Before buying that Monster 16awg stuff you would be better served going to Best Buy and getting Audioquest X2.

    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,279
    Could it also be that his receiver is malfunctioning somehow?

    What did the old "Philips" speakers sound/look like?
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  • motorhead43026motorhead43026 Posts: 3,328
    edited June 2018
    The same Philips that makes light bulbs and electric toothbrushes?
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  • codycatalistcodycatalist Posts: 2,567
    I'll add myself to the list of people who used to use tone controls but now does not. Simply not needed, granted my speakers are a bit of a step above TSI500s but even with my TSI200s I didn't touch the tone controls.
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  • verbverb Posts: 8,144
    @zioniac btw welcome to the forum! I too traveled a path similar to yours. I was equalizing the audio output in a similar manner. The old rock and roll "smile" on my equalizer, if you will.

    Start out flat. Enjoy some familiar tunes, study the nuances. Yes you can tweak the bass/treble, but ever so slightly to taste. As mentioned before, you may have been (like me) so used to artificially tweaking the output I never really had a chance to experience the music as intended.

    Certainly as you continue to upgrade, you will notice the improvements in the music!
    The same tunes will sound like new! That, fellow Polkie, is our journey.

    We're here with you! :smile:
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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 43,068
    motorhead43026 wrote: »
    The same Philips that makes light bulbs and electric toothbrushes?

    You betcha. Philips has made some of the best CD transports around, but they never made a decent speaker.
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  • Viking64Viking64 Posts: 4,462
    Philips even had their own record label. I think they even founded Wisseloord Studios.


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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 31,647
    I'd also pull them out a bit more from the wall. Maybe a throw rug too as that wood floor isn't helping matters either.
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  • mdaudioguymdaudioguy Posts: 5,082
    zioniac wrote: »
    Not problem solved...

    Well, you can't really complain about too much bass, when you're the one who boosted it, right? :p

    Seriously, I also used to tweak the knobs, until I started to learn more about equipment and how to get better sound. It took some getting used to, but I always run flat now.

    Welcome to CP! Stick around, keep an open mind, and you might be surprised what you learn.
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  • mlistens03mlistens03 Posts: 2,647
    mdaudioguy wrote: »
    Welcome to CP! Stick around, keep an open mind, and you might be surprised what you learn.

    I know I was!! :)
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    I've always thought the goal of high-end audio was not to have your neighbors bang on the wall and say, 'Turn that darn music down' but to have your neighbors bang on the wall and say, 'Tell your friends to go home and you can practice later this week'.

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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 31,647
    I'm also wondering if you have the metal straps connecting the top and bottom posts on the back of the speaker connected.
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  • motorhead43026motorhead43026 Posts: 3,328
    edited June 2018
    Just found this on craigslist. Vintage 1977 had some good reviews and cost $325.00 new! I gather it was an attempt by Philips to break into the high end stereo segment, although it was short lived.

    Not meaning to hijack the post, just fascinated by the Philips stuff.

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    All TV's sound enhanced by Polk Magnfi Mini's.

    Other; S60'S, M10 series II, M7C's, Hafler XL600 amp, RB-980BX, Parasound HCA-1500 amp , P5 preamp, all in storage. All speakers have had crossover rebuilds, resulting in a small fortune invested in Sonicaps, and tweeter upgrades.

    Political memes posted as fact and accepted as fact, are sign language of the ignorant, for the ignorant

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    Social media makes dumb people dumber and smart people dumb then dumber.
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