LSiM help...

New24k
New24k Posts: 74
edited February 2018 in Speakers
Those of you who own the LSiM...in Midnight Mahogany...

I have been told that they look black - unless you shine a flashlight directly on them or the sunlight is directly shining on them - then they look dark brown.

Is this true?
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  • Legender
    Legender Posts: 478
    Yep... they do look petty black in the right (wrong) light.
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  • New24k
    New24k Posts: 74
    Legender wrote: »
    Yep... they do look petty black in the right (wrong) light.

    Well, I am hoping they look black...

  • adabro
    adabro Posts: 212
    As you said - mine look black unless the sun's shining right on them
  • New24k
    New24k Posts: 74
    Thanks!

    That helps a lot.

    Since there is literally nowhere to actually see these or hear these.
  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 12,524
    Polk's "marketing team" is just content with "marketing" them through ridiculous Adorama deals that I'd be surprised if they were breaking even on.
    New24k wrote: »
    Thanks!

    That helps a lot.

    Since there is literally nowhere to actually see these or hear these.

  • New24k
    New24k Posts: 74
    Clipdat wrote: »
    Polk's "marketing team" is just content with "marketing" them through ridiculous Adorama deals that I'd be surprised if they were breaking even on.

    I "think" the LSiM is due for a replacement.

    Which might put the pricing in perspective.
  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 12,524
    Yeah, we've had that theory for some time, that the line is being discontinued and/or replaced. Hard to say for sure what they're planning.

    I think instead of creating a new line, they'll just refer people to Def Tech speakers.
    New24k wrote: »
    I "think" the LSiM is due for a replacement.

    Which might put the pricing in perspective.

  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    Clipdat wrote: »
    Polk's "marketing team" is just content with "marketing" them through ridiculous Adorama deals that I'd be surprised if they were breaking even on.
    New24k wrote: »
    Thanks!

    That helps a lot.

    Since there is literally nowhere to actually see these or hear these.

    Better to make some money on them, then just taking up space in a warehouse that is costing them big money for just sitting there.
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  • mrloren
    mrloren Posts: 2,449
    HMMMM, I wonder how long that NDA I signed at Polk is to keep me quiet
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  • New24k
    New24k Posts: 74
    mrloren wrote: »
    HMMMM, I wonder how long that NDA I signed at Polk is to keep me quiet

    LOL, spill it! :)
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 49,664
    Not a good idea.
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  • mrloren
    mrloren Posts: 2,449
    New24k wrote: »
    mrloren wrote: »
    HMMMM, I wonder how long that NDA I signed at Polk is to keep me quiet

    LOL, spill it! :)

    Nope, most of it was covered anyway. If I did spill it that would run the risk of Polk not giving any more tours. I am not going to be that guy who blew it for all.

    If I had the cash, space and need I would jump on the LSiM deals, great speaker for that cost.
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  • mpitogo
    mpitogo Posts: 475
    Are you implying they are dropping the LSiM line?
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    Doubtful they would drop it, Polk has always had one series that could be considered high end even if it doesn't make them a ton of money.

    They might do a refresh for the line at some point. But again I wouldn't expect for it to be too soon, since the LSIMs aren't that old.
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  • New24k
    New24k Posts: 74
    mpitogo wrote: »
    Are you implying they are dropping the LSiM line?

    That is the way I took it :)

    Either that or replacing them with a newer version.
  • New24k
    New24k Posts: 74
    cfrizz wrote: »
    They might do a refresh for the line at some point. But again I wouldn't expect for it to be too soon, since the LSIMs aren't that old.

    The LSiMs are over 7 years old...
  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    I don't consider those old speakers, I think they will do a refresh on them.
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  • mrloren
    mrloren Posts: 2,449
    oh no
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  • rooftop59
    rooftop59 Posts: 7,937
    it was made very clear by Polk employees on this forum when the s-series was released that polk is moving to a streamlined line, consisting of good, better, best.

    Good = T-series (replaced r, t, and monitor series)
    Better = Signature series (replaced TSi and RTiA series)
    Best - TBA (will replace LSiM)

    The retail of the LSiM is too high for Polk to sustain (as seen by the adorama deals). The new series will likely be closer to old LSi prices...
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  • Legender
    Legender Posts: 478
    But what would they sound like?
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  • mrloren
    mrloren Posts: 2,449
    rooftop59 wrote: »
    it was made very clear by Polk employees on this forum when the s-series was released that polk is moving to a streamlined line, consisting of good, better, best.

    Good = T-series (replaced r, t, and monitor series)
    Better = Signature series (replaced TSi and RTiA series)
    Best - TBA (will replace LSiM)

    The retail of the LSiM is too high for Polk to sustain (as seen by the adorama deals). The new series will likely be closer to old LSi prices...

    Yup that is what it looks like. good business to streamline.
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  • Jaybeez
    Jaybeez Posts: 734
    mrloren wrote: »
    rooftop59 wrote: »
    it was made very clear by Polk employees on this forum when the s-series was released that polk is moving to a streamlined line, consisting of good, better, best.

    Good = T-series (replaced r, t, and monitor series)
    Better = Signature series (replaced TSi and RTiA series)
    Best - TBA (will replace LSiM)

    The retail of the LSiM is too high for Polk to sustain (as seen by the adorama deals). The new series will likely be closer to old LSi prices...

    Yup that is what it looks like. good business to streamline.

    Pretty much what all the car manufacturers do. Makes for an efficient business model.
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  • rooftop59
    rooftop59 Posts: 7,937
    edited February 2018
    Legender wrote: »
    But what would they sound like?

    I don’t know, but I wonder if they’ll keep the same tweeters. Some people love them but I think they are a turn off for at least as many people.

    My guess is a different tweeter, passive towers like the last line, and the build quality will take a hit compared to the LSiM. The build is what killed the retail price me thinks...but they will still be a step up from the current RTiA line, which are all build very nice imho...
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  • New24k
    New24k Posts: 74
    Interesting - every single LSiM speaker on Polk's website is listed to be "On backorder".
  • mpitogo
    mpitogo Posts: 475
    Interesting indeed. I’m hopeful for a true full range speaker. I measured in room response of my LSiM 707 with ARC and it rolls off below 29Hz. Not terrible but not truly full range. I’m not allergic to subs for music but would prefer not to use them. Overall I’m very happy with them.


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  • rooftop59
    rooftop59 Posts: 7,937
    Ur not gonna get a truly full range, stereophile class A speaker from polk. U have to either a) used powered subs (which they are going to let their sister company def tech take care of) or b) spend a lot of money on drivers, cabinet, bracing crossover, etc. or c) make them gigantic.

    Sorry man but I’m am quite confident that polk will go with d) a really high quality bang for ur buck ALMOST full range speaker...
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  • mpitogo
    mpitogo Posts: 475
    edited February 2018
    An SVS SB-2000 is not very large but yet can go down to a claimed 19Hz. You had thing had me thinking I don’t believe Polk has used a 12” driver for any non-subwoofer speaker application. Anyway this was a tangent thinking Polk could do their version of a Legacy Audio speaker... doubt it.

    So they recently released the Signature series of American Hi-Fi but they have not yet worked their way up to the SRT. I’d be more interested in the modern rendition of the SR minus the T. Next up Polk Audio Signature Reference.
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  • mrloren
    mrloren Posts: 2,449
    I have the S60, they do very good in the low end. Last year when we had my son grad party I was demoing them to a friend, turned the sub off. I left the sub off the rest of the night with the kids hip hop playing. Low end is impressive for a modern speaker.

    One thing I've noticed over the last 20 or so years. Subwoofers are now so common speakers are more designed to work well above the sub range.
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  • Upstatemax
    Upstatemax Posts: 2,623
    The LSIM line has been an issue for Polk from the get go.

    They don't sell at the retail price and when compared to speakers in the same price range, well thats a tough segment of the market where the big boys start to play.

    It was an over reach from Polk. Especially when you consider that you basically can't demo them, anywhere...

    It's going back a long time now, but a representative from Polk made it pretty clear they are not directly replacing the LSIM line. Something that more of a bridge between the RTiA and LSIM lines.

  • Tony M
    Tony M Posts: 11,007
    Some speaker system with Atmos capabilities I would think. ;):p
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.