LSiM help...

New24kNew24k Posts: 51
edited February 2018 in Speakers
Those of you who own the LSiM...in Midnight Mahogany...

I have been told that they look black - unless you shine a flashlight directly on them or the sunlight is directly shining on them - then they look dark brown.

Is this true?
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  • LegenderLegender Posts: 478
    Yep... they do look petty black in the right (wrong) light.
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  • New24kNew24k Posts: 51
    Legender wrote: »
    Yep... they do look petty black in the right (wrong) light.

    Well, I am hoping they look black...

  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 15,563
    They do. The early ones had a purplish hue to it - not sure if more recent ones do.
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  • adabroadabro Posts: 203
    As you said - mine look black unless the sun's shining right on them
  • New24kNew24k Posts: 51
    Thanks!

    That helps a lot.

    Since there is literally nowhere to actually see these or hear these.
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 6,217
    Polk's "marketing team" is just content with "marketing" them through ridiculous Adorama deals that I'd be surprised if they were breaking even on.
    New24k wrote: »
    Thanks!

    That helps a lot.

    Since there is literally nowhere to actually see these or hear these.

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  • New24kNew24k Posts: 51
    Clipdat wrote: »
    Polk's "marketing team" is just content with "marketing" them through ridiculous Adorama deals that I'd be surprised if they were breaking even on.

    I "think" the LSiM is due for a replacement.

    Which might put the pricing in perspective.
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 6,217
    Yeah, we've had that theory for some time, that the line is being discontinued and/or replaced. Hard to say for sure what they're planning.

    I think instead of creating a new line, they'll just refer people to Def Tech speakers.
    New24k wrote: »
    I "think" the LSiM is due for a replacement.

    Which might put the pricing in perspective.

    • "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • cfrizzcfrizz Posts: 13,249
    Clipdat wrote: »
    Polk's "marketing team" is just content with "marketing" them through ridiculous Adorama deals that I'd be surprised if they were breaking even on.
    New24k wrote: »
    Thanks!

    That helps a lot.

    Since there is literally nowhere to actually see these or hear these.

    Better to make some money on them, then just taking up space in a warehouse that is costing them big money for just sitting there.
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  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 1,762
    HMMMM, I wonder how long that NDA I signed at Polk is to keep me quiet
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

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    Samsung UN60H,
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    Main: Polk Signature S60
    Center: Polk CSi-A6
    Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
    Surrounds: Polk S15
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Sony KDF-E42A10,
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S35
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

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  • New24kNew24k Posts: 51
    mrloren wrote: »
    HMMMM, I wonder how long that NDA I signed at Polk is to keep me quiet

    LOL, spill it! :)
  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 41,415
    Not a good idea.
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  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 1,762
    New24k wrote: »
    mrloren wrote: »
    HMMMM, I wonder how long that NDA I signed at Polk is to keep me quiet

    LOL, spill it! :)

    Nope, most of it was covered anyway. If I did spill it that would run the risk of Polk not giving any more tours. I am not going to be that guy who blew it for all.

    If I had the cash, space and need I would jump on the LSiM deals, great speaker for that cost.
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN60H,
    Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
    Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, Sony DVP-NS3100ES, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk Signature S60
    Center: Polk CSi-A6
    Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
    Surrounds: Polk S15
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Sony KDF-E42A10,
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S35
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

    Working Warehouse;
    Sony 2100ES
    4 Polk RTi4 about 15' up the wall
    Old sony 12" Sub
    Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
  • mpitogompitogo Posts: 305
    Are you implying they are dropping the LSiM line?
    Living Room Music-2.0 Polk LSiM 707 | McIntosh C47 | Macintosh MC452 | Denon DP-2500A | Oppo BDP-103 | MacMini
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    Spares: Polk LSiC, CS300, T15, Martin Logan Motion 40, Dynamo 500, Rotel RB-1590, Denon AVR-4802R, Onkyo DX-C540, Sony CDP-491, STR DE715, DVP-S500D, PS HX-500
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  • cfrizzcfrizz Posts: 13,249
    Doubtful they would drop it, Polk has always had one series that could be considered high end even if it doesn't make them a ton of money.

    They might do a refresh for the line at some point. But again I wouldn't expect for it to be too soon, since the LSIMs aren't that old.
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  • New24kNew24k Posts: 51
    mpitogo wrote: »
    Are you implying they are dropping the LSiM line?

    That is the way I took it :)

    Either that or replacing them with a newer version.
  • New24kNew24k Posts: 51
    cfrizz wrote: »
    They might do a refresh for the line at some point. But again I wouldn't expect for it to be too soon, since the LSIMs aren't that old.

    The LSiMs are over 7 years old...
  • cfrizzcfrizz Posts: 13,249
    I don't consider those old speakers, I think they will do a refresh on them.
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  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 1,762
    oh no
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN60H,
    Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
    Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, Sony DVP-NS3100ES, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk Signature S60
    Center: Polk CSi-A6
    Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
    Surrounds: Polk S15
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Sony KDF-E42A10,
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S35
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

    Working Warehouse;
    Sony 2100ES
    4 Polk RTi4 about 15' up the wall
    Old sony 12" Sub
    Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 5,245
    it was made very clear by Polk employees on this forum when the s-series was released that polk is moving to a streamlined line, consisting of good, better, best.

    Good = T-series (replaced r, t, and monitor series)
    Better = Signature series (replaced TSi and RTiA series)
    Best - TBA (will replace LSiM)

    The retail of the LSiM is too high for Polk to sustain (as seen by the adorama deals). The new series will likely be closer to old LSi prices...
    HT Rig:
    Denon AVR-X4200w; Peachtree Audio NovaPre; B&K TX4430; Bryson BPD-1; Mains: Dynaudio Emit 10; Center - Polk cs400i; Heights, Center Surround - Klipsch KHC - 6 In-Ceiling; Surrounds - Monoprice in-ceiling; Sub - HSU VTF-2 MK5; LG UP870 4K BDP; NVidia ShieldTV
    ;
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  • LegenderLegender Posts: 478
    But what would they sound like?
    Music: Oppo103 - Parasound JC2 - Parasound A21- SDA 3.1
    Theater: Denon 3808 - B&K 7500/Emotiva XPA-3- RTi12, CSi5, RTiA7x4, PSW505
    Sleeping: Marantz 70005 - Harman Kardon 2400 - SDA 2
    2 Channel: Cary 306 SACD - Canary Audio 906 - Pass Labs x250 - PS Audio Perfectwave DAC, Polk LSiM705, SVS SB13 Ultra
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  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 1,762
    rooftop59 wrote: »
    it was made very clear by Polk employees on this forum when the s-series was released that polk is moving to a streamlined line, consisting of good, better, best.

    Good = T-series (replaced r, t, and monitor series)
    Better = Signature series (replaced TSi and RTiA series)
    Best - TBA (will replace LSiM)

    The retail of the LSiM is too high for Polk to sustain (as seen by the adorama deals). The new series will likely be closer to old LSi prices...

    Yup that is what it looks like. good business to streamline.
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN60H,
    Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
    Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, Sony DVP-NS3100ES, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk Signature S60
    Center: Polk CSi-A6
    Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
    Surrounds: Polk S15
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Sony KDF-E42A10,
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S35
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

    Working Warehouse;
    Sony 2100ES
    4 Polk RTi4 about 15' up the wall
    Old sony 12" Sub
    Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
  • JaybeezJaybeez Posts: 709
    mrloren wrote: »
    rooftop59 wrote: »
    it was made very clear by Polk employees on this forum when the s-series was released that polk is moving to a streamlined line, consisting of good, better, best.

    Good = T-series (replaced r, t, and monitor series)
    Better = Signature series (replaced TSi and RTiA series)
    Best - TBA (will replace LSiM)

    The retail of the LSiM is too high for Polk to sustain (as seen by the adorama deals). The new series will likely be closer to old LSi prices...

    Yup that is what it looks like. good business to streamline.

    Pretty much what all the car manufacturers do. Makes for an efficient business model.
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  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 5,245
    edited February 2018
    Legender wrote: »
    But what would they sound like?

    I don’t know, but I wonder if they’ll keep the same tweeters. Some people love them but I think they are a turn off for at least as many people.

    My guess is a different tweeter, passive towers like the last line, and the build quality will take a hit compared to the LSiM. The build is what killed the retail price me thinks...but they will still be a step up from the current RTiA line, which are all build very nice imho...
    HT Rig:
    Denon AVR-X4200w; Peachtree Audio NovaPre; B&K TX4430; Bryson BPD-1; Mains: Dynaudio Emit 10; Center - Polk cs400i; Heights, Center Surround - Klipsch KHC - 6 In-Ceiling; Surrounds - Monoprice in-ceiling; Sub - HSU VTF-2 MK5; LG UP870 4K BDP; NVidia ShieldTV
    ;
    Master Bedroom
    Marantz SR-5007; Parasound HCA-1000A, PSB Imagine B, NHT Super One CI surrounds, Martin Logan Dynamo (original), Squeezebox Touch
  • New24kNew24k Posts: 51
    Interesting - every single LSiM speaker on Polk's website is listed to be "On backorder".
  • mpitogompitogo Posts: 305
    Interesting indeed. I’m hopeful for a true full range speaker. I measured in room response of my LSiM 707 with ARC and it rolls off below 29Hz. Not terrible but not truly full range. I’m not allergic to subs for music but would prefer not to use them. Overall I’m very happy with them.


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    Living Room Music-2.0 Polk LSiM 707 | McIntosh C47 | Macintosh MC452 | Denon DP-2500A | Oppo BDP-103 | MacMini
    Living Room Music parallel system-2.0 Klipsch RP600-M | PASS ACA Class A Balanced Monoblocks fed by C47 XLR Out 2
    Family Room Home Theater-7.2.2 (Atmos) Polk LSi25, Martin Logan Motion 50xt, Dual DSW microPRO 3000, fx500, T15, RC65i | Marantz SR7009 | McIntosh MA5200 HT-passthrough & independent 2.0 | Sony UBP-X800 4K | Xbox One S 4K | AppleTV | HTPC | Sony 75” XBR X850D 4K
    Office Home Theater-5.1 Polk RT55, CS400, PSW450, T15 | Onkyo TX-SR705 | Xbox 360 MCE | AppleTV | Samsung 55”
    Office Music-2.0 KEF Q100 | Sansui AU-6900 | Sansui FR-1080
    Master Bedroom Music-2.0 Totem Hawk | Rotel RA-1570
    Patio Music-2.0 Polk Atrium8 | AMC 2445 bridged
    Airplay zones: Family Room (HDMI), Master Bedroom (Optical), Office (HDMI), Living Room (Optical), MA5200 (Optical), SR7009 (AVR direct) and Patio (analog). MacMini iTunes multi-stream to any, combo or all.
    Spares: Polk LSiC, CS300, T15, Martin Logan Motion 40, Dynamo 500, Rotel RB-1590, Denon AVR-4802R, Onkyo DX-C540, Sony CDP-491, STR DE715, DVP-S500D, PS HX-500
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  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 5,245
    Ur not gonna get a truly full range, stereophile class A speaker from polk. U have to either a) used powered subs (which they are going to let their sister company def tech take care of) or b) spend a lot of money on drivers, cabinet, bracing crossover, etc. or c) make them gigantic.

    Sorry man but I’m am quite confident that polk will go with d) a really high quality bang for ur buck ALMOST full range speaker...
    HT Rig:
    Denon AVR-X4200w; Peachtree Audio NovaPre; B&K TX4430; Bryson BPD-1; Mains: Dynaudio Emit 10; Center - Polk cs400i; Heights, Center Surround - Klipsch KHC - 6 In-Ceiling; Surrounds - Monoprice in-ceiling; Sub - HSU VTF-2 MK5; LG UP870 4K BDP; NVidia ShieldTV
    ;
    Master Bedroom
    Marantz SR-5007; Parasound HCA-1000A, PSB Imagine B, NHT Super One CI surrounds, Martin Logan Dynamo (original), Squeezebox Touch
  • mpitogompitogo Posts: 305
    edited February 2018
    An SVS SB-2000 is not very large but yet can go down to a claimed 19Hz. You had thing had me thinking I don’t believe Polk has used a 12” driver for any non-subwoofer speaker application. Anyway this was a tangent thinking Polk could do their version of a Legacy Audio speaker... doubt it.

    So they recently released the Signature series of American Hi-Fi but they have not yet worked their way up to the SRT. I’d be more interested in the modern rendition of the SR minus the T. Next up Polk Audio Signature Reference.
    Living Room Music-2.0 Polk LSiM 707 | McIntosh C47 | Macintosh MC452 | Denon DP-2500A | Oppo BDP-103 | MacMini
    Living Room Music parallel system-2.0 Klipsch RP600-M | PASS ACA Class A Balanced Monoblocks fed by C47 XLR Out 2
    Family Room Home Theater-7.2.2 (Atmos) Polk LSi25, Martin Logan Motion 50xt, Dual DSW microPRO 3000, fx500, T15, RC65i | Marantz SR7009 | McIntosh MA5200 HT-passthrough & independent 2.0 | Sony UBP-X800 4K | Xbox One S 4K | AppleTV | HTPC | Sony 75” XBR X850D 4K
    Office Home Theater-5.1 Polk RT55, CS400, PSW450, T15 | Onkyo TX-SR705 | Xbox 360 MCE | AppleTV | Samsung 55”
    Office Music-2.0 KEF Q100 | Sansui AU-6900 | Sansui FR-1080
    Master Bedroom Music-2.0 Totem Hawk | Rotel RA-1570
    Patio Music-2.0 Polk Atrium8 | AMC 2445 bridged
    Airplay zones: Family Room (HDMI), Master Bedroom (Optical), Office (HDMI), Living Room (Optical), MA5200 (Optical), SR7009 (AVR direct) and Patio (analog). MacMini iTunes multi-stream to any, combo or all.
    Spares: Polk LSiC, CS300, T15, Martin Logan Motion 40, Dynamo 500, Rotel RB-1590, Denon AVR-4802R, Onkyo DX-C540, Sony CDP-491, STR DE715, DVP-S500D, PS HX-500
    Maintenance: Pro-Ject VC-S Record Cleaning Machine
  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 1,762
    I have the S60, they do very good in the low end. Last year when we had my son grad party I was demoing them to a friend, turned the sub off. I left the sub off the rest of the night with the kids hip hop playing. Low end is impressive for a modern speaker.

    One thing I've noticed over the last 20 or so years. Subwoofers are now so common speakers are more designed to work well above the sub range.
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN60H,
    Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
    Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, Sony DVP-NS3100ES, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk Signature S60
    Center: Polk CSi-A6
    Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
    Surrounds: Polk S15
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Sony KDF-E42A10,
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S35
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

    Working Warehouse;
    Sony 2100ES
    4 Polk RTi4 about 15' up the wall
    Old sony 12" Sub
    Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
  • UpstatemaxUpstatemax Posts: 2,271
    The LSIM line has been an issue for Polk from the get go.

    They don't sell at the retail price and when compared to speakers in the same price range, well thats a tough segment of the market where the big boys start to play.

    It was an over reach from Polk. Especially when you consider that you basically can't demo them, anywhere...

    It's going back a long time now, but a representative from Polk made it pretty clear they are not directly replacing the LSIM line. Something that more of a bridge between the RTiA and LSIM lines.

    Living room:
    Samsung PN50B860 50" Plasma : XBOX One : Roku Ultra : Oppo UDP-203 : Pioneer Elite SC-87 : APC H15 : Focal 806V mains : Focal 806V Surrounds : SVS SB2000 : SVS SB12-NSD

    2Ch:
    Sonus Faber Venere S : Parasound HCA 1500A : Oppo UDP-205 : Furman Elite 15 DM i : Sony XBR 55X810C Monitor :
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