More turntable talk

stangman67stangman67 Posts: 1,170
edited February 2018 in 2 Channel Audio
Hello Polkies,

I've resisted a long time but I would like to give vinyl a shot. I purchased a Project Tube Box DS phono and am looking for a viable turntable. I am thinking at the moment about grabbing a Debut Carbon DC which are available for 399 right now. Is there anything else in the sub 500 range I should be looking at? RP1 maybe? I don't want to go all in just yet as I want to make sure Vinyl sticks long term before I spend major money. Rig is listed below.

Thanks,
Zach
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  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 15,757
    Do you listen to older music? If not, it's probably not a viable alternative.
  • verbverb Posts: 6,298
    Hey Zach are you considering a good used TT? That is the route I took recently for exactly the same reasons. Picked up a Micro Seiki MB14 from CL, and I'm very happy with it.

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  • SCompRacerSCompRacer Posts: 7,126
    edited February 2018
    DSkip wrote: »
    Do you listen to older music? If not, it's probably not a viable alternative.

    What? C'mon, he's halfway there with the phono pre. :)

    A good source for reasonably priced vinyl is a must. As far as making sure vinyl sticks long term, you mean for you, right? Cause some of us have been all in and ain't leaving ;)
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  • gudnoyezgudnoyez Posts: 6,801
    Does the $500 not include the cartridge?
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 6,588
    I'm not sure how the genre/age of the music he listens to comes into play?
    DSkip wrote: »
    Do you listen to older music? If not, it's probably not a viable alternative.

    • "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • kharp1kharp1 Posts: 3,032
    edited February 2018
    There's still some (becoming more and more) amount of new releases on vinyl, but, not like "back in the day" when EVERYTHING was released on vinyl.
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 6,588
    edited February 2018
    Ah, I see what you mean. Yeah, it would be prudent to look up your favorite artists/labels and see if they are actively releasing stuff.
    kharp1 wrote: »
    There's still some (becoming more and more) amount of new releases on vinyl, but, not like "back in the day" when EVERYTHING was released on vinyl.

    • "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • dr1978dr1978 Posts: 245
    I can't remember the last time I wanted to buy a new release and it wasn't offered in vinyl. Sure there was a dead period in the 90's and early 2000's, but a lot of those popular releases are being reissued.
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  • SCompRacerSCompRacer Posts: 7,126
    edited February 2018
    New vinyl can bust your wallet though.

    I had a '68 428CJ back in the day. Sadly not many pics of it remain. It was Red, Black stripes. Daytona 4 speed, Detroit locker. The good old days...

    vgmvde59ssuu.jpg
    Make yourself necessary to someone. Ralph Waldo Emerson

    Salk SoundScape 8's * Audio Research Reference 3 * Bottlehead Eros Phono * Park's Audio Budgie SUT * Krell KSA-250 * Harmonic Technology Pro 9+ & Pro 11+ * Signature Series Sonore Music Server w/Deux PS* Twisted Pear Buffalo III Dual Mono ESS Sabre32 DAC * Heavy Plinth Lenco L75 Idler Drive * AA MG-1 Linear Air Bearing Arm * AT33PTG/II & Denon 103R * Richard Gray 600S * NHT B-12d subs * GIK Acoustic Treatments * Sennheiser HD650 *

  • dr1978dr1978 Posts: 245
    SCompRacer wrote: »
    New vinyl can bust your wallet though...

    True that. I'm a sucker for the deluxe editions for bands I really like, too.

    I have been noticing some good deals on Amazon though. $12-$15 for some good stuff.
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  • mpitogompitogo Posts: 305
    Just picked up two new albums, ea where $18.99. Test rig in the office.

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    Living Room Music parallel system-2.0 Klipsch RP600-M | PASS ACA Class A Balanced Monoblocks fed by C47 XLR Out 2
    Family Room Home Theater-7.2.2 (Atmos) Polk LSi25, Martin Logan Motion 50xt, Dual DSW microPRO 3000, fx500, T15, RC65i | Marantz SR7009 | McIntosh MA5200 HT-passthrough & independent 2.0 | Sony UBP-X800 4K | Xbox One S 4K | AppleTV | HTPC | Sony 75” XBR X850D 4K
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    Master Bedroom Music-2.0 Totem Hawk | Rotel RA-1570
    Patio Music-2.0 Polk Atrium8 | AMC 2445 bridged
    Airplay zones: Family Room (HDMI), Master Bedroom (Optical), Office (HDMI), Living Room (Optical), MA5200 (Optical), SR7009 (AVR direct) and Patio (analog). MacMini iTunes multi-stream to any, combo or all.
    Spares: Polk LSiC, CS300, T15, Martin Logan Motion 40, Dynamo 500, Rotel RB-1590, Denon AVR-4802R, Onkyo DX-C540, Sony CDP-491, STR DE715, DVP-S500D, PS HX-500
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 6,588
    Oldschool Mac G5 spotted!
    • "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • hochpt21hochpt21 Posts: 5,126
    kharp1 wrote: »
    There's still some (becoming more and more) amount of new releases on vinyl, but, not like "back in the day" when EVERYTHING was released on vinyl.

    I don’t know how long it will last, but for the last probably 5 years, basically all new releases have all been available on vinyl.
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  • gudnoyezgudnoyez Posts: 6,801
    I have no problems finding new releases on Vinyl, seems like about the last 30 or so shows I have seen there was Vinyl available of that artists latest release.Then there's the local mom and pop shops that have, new and used vinyl that I wish I had the funds to add to my fairly large collection, vinyl is is easily available pretty much all over.
    Home Theater
    Parasound Halo A 31 OnkyoTX-NR838 Sony XBR55X850B 55" 4K RtiA9 Fronts CsiA6 Center RtiA3 Rears FxiA6 Side Surrounds Dual Psw 111's Oppo 105D Signal Ultra Speaker Cables & IC's Signal Magic Power Cable Technics SL Q300 Panamax MR4300 Audioquest Chocolate HDMI Cables Audioquest Forest USB Cable

    2 Channel
    Adcom 555II Vincent SA-T1 Marantz SA 15S2 Denon DR-M11 Clearaudio Bluemotion SDA 2.3tl's (Z) edition MIT Terminator II Speaker Cables & IC's Adcom 545II Adcom Gtp-450 Marantz CD5004 Technics M245X SDA 2B's, SDA CRS+

    Stuff for the Head
    JD LABS C5 Headphone Amplifier, Sennheiser HD 598, Polk Audio Buckle, Polk Audio Hinge, Velodyne vPulse, Bose IE2, Sennheiser CX 200 Street II, Sennheiser MX 365

    Shower & Off the beaten path Rigs
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  • mpitogompitogo Posts: 305
    edited February 2018
    Clipdat wrote: »
    Oldschool Mac G5 spotted!

    Yep, lurking back there is a Dual 2.0GHz G5 with a 22” ACD, 2003 it was king. It’s been off for about 7 years now.

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    Living Room Music-2.0 Polk LSiM 707 | McIntosh C47 | Macintosh MC452 | Denon DP-2500A | Oppo BDP-103 | MacMini
    Living Room Music parallel system-2.0 Klipsch RP600-M | PASS ACA Class A Balanced Monoblocks fed by C47 XLR Out 2
    Family Room Home Theater-7.2.2 (Atmos) Polk LSi25, Martin Logan Motion 50xt, Dual DSW microPRO 3000, fx500, T15, RC65i | Marantz SR7009 | McIntosh MA5200 HT-passthrough & independent 2.0 | Sony UBP-X800 4K | Xbox One S 4K | AppleTV | HTPC | Sony 75” XBR X850D 4K
    Office Home Theater-5.1 Polk RT55, CS400, PSW450, T15 | Onkyo TX-SR705 | Xbox 360 MCE | AppleTV | Samsung 55”
    Office Music-2.0 KEF Q100 | Sansui AU-6900 | Sansui FR-1080
    Master Bedroom Music-2.0 Totem Hawk | Rotel RA-1570
    Patio Music-2.0 Polk Atrium8 | AMC 2445 bridged
    Airplay zones: Family Room (HDMI), Master Bedroom (Optical), Office (HDMI), Living Room (Optical), MA5200 (Optical), SR7009 (AVR direct) and Patio (analog). MacMini iTunes multi-stream to any, combo or all.
    Spares: Polk LSiC, CS300, T15, Martin Logan Motion 40, Dynamo 500, Rotel RB-1590, Denon AVR-4802R, Onkyo DX-C540, Sony CDP-491, STR DE715, DVP-S500D, PS HX-500
    Maintenance: Pro-Ject VC-S Record Cleaning Machine
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 6,588
    LOL, just holding onto it for sentimental reasons?
    mpitogo wrote: »
    Yep, lurking back there is a Dual 2.0GHz G5 with a 22” ACD, 2003 it was king. It’s been off for about 7 years now.

    • "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • mpitogompitogo Posts: 305
    I,ma lazy too heavy to move it.

    This one easier on the back.
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    Living Room Music-2.0 Polk LSiM 707 | McIntosh C47 | Macintosh MC452 | Denon DP-2500A | Oppo BDP-103 | MacMini
    Living Room Music parallel system-2.0 Klipsch RP600-M | PASS ACA Class A Balanced Monoblocks fed by C47 XLR Out 2
    Family Room Home Theater-7.2.2 (Atmos) Polk LSi25, Martin Logan Motion 50xt, Dual DSW microPRO 3000, fx500, T15, RC65i | Marantz SR7009 | McIntosh MA5200 HT-passthrough & independent 2.0 | Sony UBP-X800 4K | Xbox One S 4K | AppleTV | HTPC | Sony 75” XBR X850D 4K
    Office Home Theater-5.1 Polk RT55, CS400, PSW450, T15 | Onkyo TX-SR705 | Xbox 360 MCE | AppleTV | Samsung 55”
    Office Music-2.0 KEF Q100 | Sansui AU-6900 | Sansui FR-1080
    Master Bedroom Music-2.0 Totem Hawk | Rotel RA-1570
    Patio Music-2.0 Polk Atrium8 | AMC 2445 bridged
    Airplay zones: Family Room (HDMI), Master Bedroom (Optical), Office (HDMI), Living Room (Optical), MA5200 (Optical), SR7009 (AVR direct) and Patio (analog). MacMini iTunes multi-stream to any, combo or all.
    Spares: Polk LSiC, CS300, T15, Martin Logan Motion 40, Dynamo 500, Rotel RB-1590, Denon AVR-4802R, Onkyo DX-C540, Sony CDP-491, STR DE715, DVP-S500D, PS HX-500
    Maintenance: Pro-Ject VC-S Record Cleaning Machine
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 6,588
    Meh. Touchpad isn't big enough.
    mpitogo wrote: »
    I,ma lazy too heavy to move it.

    This one easier on the back.

    • "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • mpitogompitogo Posts: 305
    Dood ya, that the ffn keyboard is so dam loud.
    Living Room Music-2.0 Polk LSiM 707 | McIntosh C47 | Macintosh MC452 | Denon DP-2500A | Oppo BDP-103 | MacMini
    Living Room Music parallel system-2.0 Klipsch RP600-M | PASS ACA Class A Balanced Monoblocks fed by C47 XLR Out 2
    Family Room Home Theater-7.2.2 (Atmos) Polk LSi25, Martin Logan Motion 50xt, Dual DSW microPRO 3000, fx500, T15, RC65i | Marantz SR7009 | McIntosh MA5200 HT-passthrough & independent 2.0 | Sony UBP-X800 4K | Xbox One S 4K | AppleTV | HTPC | Sony 75” XBR X850D 4K
    Office Home Theater-5.1 Polk RT55, CS400, PSW450, T15 | Onkyo TX-SR705 | Xbox 360 MCE | AppleTV | Samsung 55”
    Office Music-2.0 KEF Q100 | Sansui AU-6900 | Sansui FR-1080
    Master Bedroom Music-2.0 Totem Hawk | Rotel RA-1570
    Patio Music-2.0 Polk Atrium8 | AMC 2445 bridged
    Airplay zones: Family Room (HDMI), Master Bedroom (Optical), Office (HDMI), Living Room (Optical), MA5200 (Optical), SR7009 (AVR direct) and Patio (analog). MacMini iTunes multi-stream to any, combo or all.
    Spares: Polk LSiC, CS300, T15, Martin Logan Motion 40, Dynamo 500, Rotel RB-1590, Denon AVR-4802R, Onkyo DX-C540, Sony CDP-491, STR DE715, DVP-S500D, PS HX-500
    Maintenance: Pro-Ject VC-S Record Cleaning Machine
  • stangman67stangman67 Posts: 1,170
    DSkip wrote: »
    Do you listen to older music? If not, it's probably not a viable alternative.

    I listen to almost exclusively older music. Part of the reason I want to try vinyl is all the remastered genesis stuff sounds awful on cd, I hear genesis on vinyl is a must. Plus I just want to be cool like the rest of you :) the budget of 500 must be a turnkey turntable to answer your question Steve.
    2 Channel - Major reduction complete

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  • stangman67stangman67 Posts: 1,170
    SCompRacer wrote: »
    New vinyl can bust your wallet though.

    I had a '68 428CJ back in the day. Sadly not many pics of it remain. It was Red, Black stripes. Daytona 4 speed, Detroit locker. The good old days...

    vgmvde59ssuu.jpg

    I bet you wish you hung onto it! Would fetch good money nowadays
    2 Channel - Major reduction complete

    KEF LS50W I Rega P6 w/ Ania MC I Rega Fono MC I Audience Ohno ICs


  • txcoastal1txcoastal1 Posts: 10,339
    kharp1 wrote: »
    There's still some (becoming more and more) amount of new releases on vinyl, but, not like "back in the day" when EVERYTHING was released on vinyl.

    But the cost of a new release on vinyl is expensive
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  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 15,757
    txcoastal1 wrote: »
    kharp1 wrote: »
    There's still some (becoming more and more) amount of new releases on vinyl, but, not like "back in the day" when EVERYTHING was released on vinyl.

    But the cost of a new release on vinyl is expensive

    This was my point. Doesn't sound like it's an issue for Zach so go after it bud.

    For me the cost of vinyl is tenfold that of digital in many cases. I just can't justify that. Good older albums can be had for about the same price as a used CD so it isn't an issue with those.
  • JaybeezJaybeez Posts: 709
    I find new releases hit or miss. I have access to tons of good, used vinyl from a local Facebook group with members that frequent L.A. estate sales. Most are as good or better than some of the newer albums I've bought.
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  • stangman67stangman67 Posts: 1,170
    Well it appears John has me hooked up with a fantastic deal on a RP1! Gotta say, awesome people all around on this forum
    2 Channel - Major reduction complete

    KEF LS50W I Rega P6 w/ Ania MC I Rega Fono MC I Audience Ohno ICs


  • I hear good things about the RP1. Congrats on the dive into vinyl. I dove into the pool last year.
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