Monitor 10 in Rosewood

Picked up a nice set of monitor 10 yesterday that are the rosewood finish. These are earlyish versions with the odd old style grille attachment and peerless tweeters, but still the coated cones and two fuses.

One tweeter is bad (tested and taken apart) so I am in need of one. They have the little hole/dimple.

I will recap as well. There is a light grey mortite type material used to gasket the drivers and crossover/connecting cup so I will replace that as well. What do you guys use to replace that usually. I have some of the mortitie stuff.
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 32,922
    :) Nice loudspeakers.


    Morphologically virtual twins (so to speak) to my Monitor Series Model 7As (purchased in 1978) - right down to the "rosewood" vinyl.

    It's pretty hideous, isn't it? :|


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  • verb
    verb Posts: 10,176
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    :) Nice loudspeakers.


    Morphologically virtual twins (so to speak) to my Monitor Series Model 7As (purchased in 1978) - right down to the "rosewood" vinyl.

    It's pretty hideous, isn't it? :|


    11208642076_3f7f8db8b1_b.jpgPolkmonitor7Asn4900 by Mark Hardy, on Flickr

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  • teekay0007
    teekay0007 Posts: 2,289
    verb wrote: »
    . You should open up a museum!

    He threatened to once. The price of admission was going to be that following your visit, you had to take a piece of equipment upon your departure.

  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 32,922
    It may well come to that.
    The Polks won't be at the top of the door prize list, though! :)
  • Back on point here....

    I am need of one Peerless tweeter if anybody has a spare.

    Also, looking at the crossover, What brand caps have you guys had good results with? I tend to lean towards the 5% Daytons. I see motorhead recommended Sonicaps in another thread. What do you think about just going with an NPE for the 34UF cap? Change the resistors?
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 24,471
    Or two 17uf film caps for the 34uf. Not much sense to put another NPE in there. Polypropylene film caps are much better and will out live the NPE by generations.
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 49,704
    Sonicap has all the values you need and sound way better than Dayton/Bennic.
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 32,922
    edited February 2018
    I concur, FWIW. The Daytons (rebranded Bennics) are good cheap capacitors (far superior to generic NP electrolytics, e.g.), but these loudspeakers do deserve better than the Daytons. :)

    Save the Daytons for the Jensen era Advents, EPI "T/E series" -- stuff like that :|


  • What? Install $170 worth of caps into a $200 pair of speakers! Monitor 10's are nice speakers, but they ain't that nice.

    See this is the problem with caps. You've got the Dayton price level, and then typically too big a jump up.
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 32,922
    there's all kind of price points - see www.madisound.com (e.g.) or www.partsconnexion.com
  • Are the drivers on these supposed to be gasket sealed when mounted?

    I got a replacement tweeter so all is good. They sound very nice, even before new caps.
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 24,471
    drugolf wrote: »
    Are the drivers on these supposed to be gasket sealed when mounted?

    Yes
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 49,704
    drugolf wrote: »
    What? Install $170 worth of caps into a $200 pair of speakers! Monitor 10's are nice speakers, but they ain't that nice.

    See this is the problem with caps. You've got the Dayton price level, and then typically too big a jump up.

    Why not? I'm installing $1500 worth of crossover components into speakers that retailed for $900 and it'll be worth every penny.
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 24,471
    F1nut wrote: »
    drugolf wrote: »
    What? Install $170 worth of caps into a $200 pair of speakers! Monitor 10's are nice speakers, but they ain't that nice.

    See this is the problem with caps. You've got the Dayton price level, and then typically too big a jump up.

    Why not? I'm installing $1500 worth of crossover components into speakers that retailed for $900 and it'll be worth every penny.

    Oooooo do tell o'chap
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 49,704
    All in good time.
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  • FestYboy
    FestYboy Posts: 3,861
    Ok, now I'll be the impatient one... Tell us now! :D
  • westmassguy
    westmassguy Posts: 6,850
    F1nut wrote: »
    All in good time.
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 24,471
    edited February 2018
    F1nut wrote: »
    All in good time.
    I got a pint of O negative waiting for ya....Spill

    He is more a AB negative kind of guy.....
  • FestYboy
    FestYboy Posts: 3,861
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    F1nut wrote: »
    All in good time.
    I got a pint of O negative waiting for ya....Spill

    He is more a AB negative kind of guy.....

    More like ABnormal...
  • drugolf wrote: »
    There is a light grey mortite type material used to gasket the drivers and crossover/connecting cup so I will replace that as well. What do you guys use to replace that usually. I have some of the mortitie stuff.

    Hey Dru,

    Don't mind these guys. They're an easily distracted bunch.

    Armacell is the preferred material for making new gaskets. About $11 for a 30' roll at Home Depot. It worked great on my 10Bs.

    Also, FWIW, I sprang for the Sonicaps in my crossovers and have no regrets. Westmassguy, the go-to expert here, promised me "mo' better bass" with them and he wasn't kidding. I know the M10s sometimes get dismissed as mere party speakers but I like mine just fine.

    Hope all's well with you. Let's catch up some time.

    Michael
  • drugolf
    drugolf Posts: 22
    SO now I am a little confused. I went to start my cap and resistor replacement and I am not sure about what I have here. The two appear to have the same values but different brands of caps. Also, these do not match the schematic for the early version, nor photos of other monitor 10's I can find. Looks more like Monitor 7. ? What do you guys think is going on here? There is a 12uf Mylar and a 33uf NPE. 2 each 2.7ohm resistors only.

    Also a photo of one of the 6.5" drivers.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 49,704
    Those are early 10's. Replace with the same values as found.

    12uF
    33uF
    2.7 ohm x 2
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  • Jaybeez
    Jaybeez Posts: 737
    drugolf wrote: »
    What? Install $170 worth of caps into a $200 pair of speakers! Monitor 10's are nice speakers, but they ain't that nice.

    See this is the problem with caps. You've got the Dayton price level, and then typically too big a jump up.

    $170 would make the $200 speakers sound like today's $800 speakers, so you'd be money ahead.

    To the point of whether the investment is worth it overall given the speaker you're starting with, it may depend on the type of music you listen to.

    I had 7s and 10s in the same room, positioned correctly, etc. Found the 7s were more focused and great / better for most music. To my ears, the 10's really shone on jazz and classical music.

    They just sounded a bit more open and conveyed the wider range of instruments associated with those types of music.