New (to me) amp: McCormack DNA-125

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  • StevieB
    StevieB Posts: 253
    edited January 2018
    tonyb wrote: »
    StevieB wrote: »
    Sorry to hear about the McCormack. My new to me DNA-1, kicked the Parasound A23's azz all the way from Florida to New Hampshire! B)

    LOL, glad to hear this. I don't push them for no reason. On the used markets now, they are a few steps up from the Parasounds and B&k's we all love. All good amps in their own right too.

    The McCormack sounds very good with the 3.1's. Honestly the best $800 I've spent in a long time.
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  • vmaxer
    vmaxer Posts: 4,965
    tonyb wrote: »
    vmaxer wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    StevieB wrote: »
    Sorry to hear about the McCormack. My new to me DNA-1, kicked the Parasound A23's azz all the way from Florida to New Hampshire! B)

    LOL, glad to hear this. I don't push them for no reason. On the used markets now, they are a few steps up from the Parasounds and B&k's we all love. All good amps in their own right too.

    I have 2 of them although only using the deluxe.

    Have an Adcom, B&K reference, and the other McCormack sitting on a rack.

    Sitting on a rack ??
    Send the McCormack to me and I'll let it sit on my rack actually doing something. :):D

    Send me a filled medium envelope.

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 47,374
    edited January 2018
    DSkip wrote: »
    F1nut wrote: »
    It's perfectly normal to hear a slight hiss with your ear an inch or two from a tweeter. When using tube gear it's a guarantee you will hear it.

    No guarantee on tube gear. That is one aspect that blew me away (along with several clients) with the MastersounD gear. No hiss, no hum... even the background is black. I've now heard a half dozen different amps in my house and they all share this same quality.

    I would expect most, if not all tube amps produced in China to have some form of hum or hiss. Companies that build quality transformers its not as black and white on.

    It's not the trannies that make the hiss, it's the tubes, commonly called tube rush. I don't know how a tube amp would not have it.
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,714
    vmaxer wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    vmaxer wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    StevieB wrote: »
    Sorry to hear about the McCormack. My new to me DNA-1, kicked the Parasound A23's azz all the way from Florida to New Hampshire! B)

    LOL, glad to hear this. I don't push them for no reason. On the used markets now, they are a few steps up from the Parasounds and B&k's we all love. All good amps in their own right too.

    I have 2 of them although only using the deluxe.

    Have an Adcom, B&K reference, and the other McCormack sitting on a rack.

    Sitting on a rack ??
    Send the McCormack to me and I'll let it sit on my rack actually doing something. :):D

    Send me a filled medium envelope.

    B)

    Dagos and envelopes are like pb&j....I can send ya one. Can't guarantee what it will be filled with though. :)
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  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 11,283
    It had been since last week Wednesday that I requested the refund, and I still hadn't seen it as of today.

    So I emailed them and asked how many business takes it typically takes to process a refund. Got a response stating "It was processed on our end but sometimes it can take a while to show up in your account"

    1.5 hours later, I get an email from Paypal stating I've received a refund. Coincidence? They can take your money instantly, but you gotta nag them after 5 business days have passed to get it back.

    Whatever, it's over. I'm out $55 for the return shipping, I'll never do business with TMR Audio again, and let us never speak of this thread again.
  • tratliff
    tratliff Posts: 1,393
    Clipdat wrote: »
    It had been since last week Wednesday that I requested the refund, and I still hadn't seen it as of today.

    So I emailed them and asked how many business takes it typically takes to process a refund. Got a response stating "It was processed on our end but sometimes it can take a while to show up in your account"

    1.5 hours later, I get an email from Paypal stating I've received a refund. Coincidence? They can take your money instantly, but you gotta nag them after 5 business days have passed to get it back.

    Whatever, it's over. I'm out $55 for the return shipping, I'll never do business with TMR Audio again, and let us never speak of this thread again.


    Maybe its just me but I'll state it again. I think you are being a bit "hyper sensitive".
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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,715
    This is the thread that never ends...
    Yes it goes on and on my friends!!
  • txcoastal1
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    Come on everybody...Join in....It's the Song

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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 21,231
    lightman1 wrote: »
    This is the thread that never ends...
    Yes it goes on and on my friends!!

    Just Iike herpegonasyphilaids you just never get over that stuff...
  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 11,283
    They relisted it with the exact same description as before: "Functional Notes: Operational condition of this item is excellent, fully tested and no issues found."

    That's strange that it says "no issues found". I sure found an "issue", and I reported it to them.

    Let's just hope the next person who buys it doesn't mind a humming amplifier. Caveat Emptor.

    http://tmraudio.com/components/power-amplifiers/mccormack-dna-125-stereo-power-amplifier/
  • VSAT88
    VSAT88 Posts: 1,178
    I just sent them an e mail asking if they would sell it to me for 899.00 without the hissssss.
  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 11,283
    LOL, if you really did, they are gonna get mad.
    VSAT88 wrote: »
    I just sent them an e mail asking if they would sell it to me for 899.00 without the hissssss.

  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,714
    Clipdat wrote: »
    They relisted it with the exact same description as before: "Functional Notes: Operational condition of this item is excellent, fully tested and no issues found."

    That's strange that it says "no issues found". I sure found an "issue", and I reported it to them.

    Let's just hope the next person who buys it doesn't mind a humming amplifier. Caveat Emptor.

    http://tmraudio.com/components/power-amplifiers/mccormack-dna-125-stereo-power-amplifier/

    Not totally correct there pal. You found an issue, but you did not determine if it was the amp or something else within your system.

    You have to be willing to problem solve when dealing with new or used gear. Even new amps can cause the same things.
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  • tonyb
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    DSkip wrote: »
    Tony, he did a fairly decent job determining it was the amp. He did as well as anyone not so electronically inclined could do.... what more do you want?

    Maybe I missed something then Skip. I don't recall him doing anything about the incoming power at the wall, ground loops, or trying a different pre amp, different cabling. All things most of us would try before kicking a piece to the curb....at least some of those things anyway.

    Granted, noise in ones system is aggravating and we all have different levels of tolerance for it. Personally I have none myself, but I do my due diligence to remove it as best I can. Blaming the seller solely in this instance just doesn't seem right.

    Plus the 55 buck shipping fee....c'mon man. If the amp was faulty I'm sure they would have covered the shipping. Regardless, in the end....it cost the man 55 bucks to try something out, didn't work out for him and he got a refund. I'd love to try a bunch of different gear for the measly cost of 55 bucks. I'm just not seeing the big beef he has with this company.
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  • tratliff
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    Clipdat wrote: »
    and let us never speak of this thread again.
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  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 11,283
    edited January 2018
    I took it to my office building and thus tried it on a completely different source of power.
    tonyb wrote: »
    Maybe I missed something then Skip. I don't recall him doing anything about the incoming power at the wall

    We're not discussing this abortion of a thread, just following up about how they're relisting an arguably defective item and trying to make another quick sale on it. They're not fully disclosing it's condition accurately.

    Nobody is forcing you to continue posting in here @tratliff , so move along if you don't have anything to contribute
    tratliff wrote: »
    Clipdat wrote: »
    and let us never speak of this thread again.
  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 11,283
    Technically it cost me $110 because I spent $805 and got $695 back.
    tonyb wrote: »
    Plus the 55 buck shipping fee
    55 bucks to try something out
    measly cost of 55 bucks.

  • kharp1
    kharp1 Posts: 3,453
    edited January 2018
    I'm not sure what else The Music Room is to do...they took it back in, hooked it up and they found no problem. Should they have to post on their ad that a customer previously bought the item and believed there was a problem with it, returned it and now it's being relisted though we found no problem with it? You're making it sound like they are an underhanded company trying to pull something over on the audio buying public and I don't see that. They have a pretty good history. I realize your butt is sore from the shipping costs you have lost, but, to tarnish a fairly reputable company because of that is a bit petty.

    As far as "the thread that won't end" goes, people, if you don't want to read it please, PLEASE, don't go to the trouble of moving your cursor over the thread link and then clicking on it. Unless you just want a reason to complain. Seems like there's a lot of that going around, must be the cabin fever from the bad weather.
  • Tony M
    Tony M Posts: 10,724
    ^^^^^^
    You will accept an amp that hums and lets hiss get to the tweeters.

    Drew will not accept those issues, especially since said Co. doesn't state it in either ad they've posted on it.

    Drew has opinions and you do and we all do.

    Why degrade him. He tried his heart out to get rid of the HUM short of sending it in for a repair that might not have been a repair that could've fixed that hum. Maybe it's inherent for that amp to hum. I don't know, Drew doesn't know. Drew was respectful the whole time as were some others on this thread. I noticed another has that same amp but I didn't hear if that amp hummed or let hiss through to the tweeters. Any other McCormac owners want to weigh in on their amps hum and hiss topics?

    Maybe that Co. DOES know it hums, therefore says nothing is out of the norm for it. Maybe.

    110.00 is a lot of money for a lot of people and if that Co. was as good as you and others say it is, they should've AT LEAST covered one shipping charge. Maybe Drew would've then tried another one of their amps out.

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  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 11,283
    I'm sharing factual occurrences, events, and real email conversations - and then sharing my personal opinions on them. I'm not sure how that means that I'm "tarnishing" a reputable company.

    Never did I say "I will never again do business with this company, and neither should YOU!". Everyone can freely decide on their own if they want to deal with this company.
    kharp1 wrote: »
    I'm not sure what else The Music Room is to do...they took it back in, hooked it up and they found no problem. Should they have to post on their ad that a customer previously bought the item and believed there was a problem with it, returned it and now it's being relisted though we found no problem with it? You're making it sound like they are an underhanded company trying to pull something over on the audio buying public and I don't see that. They have a pretty good history. I realize your butt is sore from the shipping costs you have lost, but, to tarnish a fairly reputable company because of that is a bit petty.

  • Tony M
    Tony M Posts: 10,724
    F1nut wrote: »
    Die thread die

    Buy that amp and let's hear your thoughts on it. Come on... :p
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  • kharp1
    kharp1 Posts: 3,453
    Clipdat wrote: »
    It had been since last week Wednesday that I requested the refund, and I still hadn't seen it as of today.

    So I emailed them and asked how many business takes it typically takes to process a refund. Got a response stating "It was processed on our end but sometimes it can take a while to show up in your account"

    1.5 hours later, I get an email from Paypal stating I've received a refund. Coincidence? They can take your money instantly, but you gotta nag them after 5 business days have passed to get it back.

    Whatever, it's over. I'm out $55 for the return shipping, I'll never do business with TMR Audio again, and let us never speak of this thread again.

    Then this from today:

    Never did I say "I will never again do business with this company, and neither should YOU!". Everyone can freely decide on their own if they want to deal with this company.

    @Tony M
    How am I degrading him? I was a McCormack amp owner that spoke up that I had no such issues with my McCormack. To insinuate that TMR is doing something underhanded by not revealing that a person bought the amp and thought it was defective, yet they test it and find nothing wrong with it, seems like someone being overly sensitive. Several here have commented the same. Caveat emptor is what Clipdat posted, and I agree whole hearted, caveat emptor. Did he verify their policies for return? I think he's being overly sensitive and he's sore because he had to pay the shipping costs to return it, and, that soreness is manifesting him him saying "I'll never do business with TMR Audio again" and inferring that they are doing something wrong because their tests didn't reveal what his did.

    We are all entitled to our own opinions, just not our own facts. The fact is TMR has a fairly good reputation. Drew is unhappy with his experience. He's posting on this forum in an attempt to sway others opinions about TMR. Unless we were there at Drews place when he fired the amp up we don't know what it sounded like. We don't know what the contributing factors in the power and it's interaction with that amp. We don't know what TMR does to test their equipment offered for sale unless we ask. Caveat emptor. They took the amp back, he had to pay shipping. If there wasn't something agreed to previously then I don't see where the issue is. It's sad when it works out that way at times, but, not the end of the world. That's part of the expense when doing business with smaller businesses.
  • Tony M
    Tony M Posts: 10,724
    @Tony M
    How am I degrading him? I was a McCormack amp owner that spoke up that I had no such issues with my McCormack. To insinuate that TMR is doing something underhanded by not revealing that a person bought the amp and thought it was defective, yet they test it and find nothing wrong with it, seems like someone being overly sensitive. Several here have commented the same. Caveat emptor is what Clipdat posted, and I agree whole hearted, caveat emptor. Did he verify their policies for return? I think he's being overly sensitive and he's sore because he had to pay the shipping costs to return it, and, that soreness is manifesting him him saying "I'll never do business with TMR Audio again" and inferring that they are doing something wrong because their tests didn't reveal what his did.

    We are all entitled to our own opinions, just not our own facts. The fact is TMR has a fairly good reputation. Drew is unhappy with his experience. He's posting on this forum in an attempt to sway others opinions about TMR. Unless we were there at Drews place when he fired the amp up we don't know what it sounded like. We don't know what the contributing factors in the power and it's interaction with that amp. We don't know what TMR does to test their equipment offered for sale unless we ask. Caveat emptor. They took the amp back, he had to pay shipping. If there wasn't something agreed to previously then I don't see where the issue is. It's sad when it works out that way at times, but, not the end of the world. That's part of the expense when doing business with smaller businesses.[/quote]

    All I can say now is I'm sorry my brain didn't file that you commented on your McCormack amp not having any problems. I must have read it and forgot it. I sincerely apologize.

    And I wouldn't in a million years expect any Co. to state in an ad that their product had issues with a former buyer but then upon receiving it back, couldn't find said issues. NOBODY would want to buy it if that was printed. TMR seems like a BIG company. 8K.00 amps USED.. And all the other $$$$ components they have for sale.
    That's way out of my budget range for now.

    And I DO hope to one day hear a McCormack amp to experience what a lot of reviewers have said about them being a 1st class amp.
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  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 11,283
    edited January 2018
    Not sure what the point was of you quoting my past message and then my message from today. The part I bolded below is the part I was emphasizing that I did not say.
    kharp1 wrote: »

    Then this from today:

    Never did I say "I will never again do business with this company, and neither should YOU!". Everyone can freely decide on their own if they want to deal with this company.

    It wasn't about "tests revealing something". It's like a light bulb, either it shines light, or it doesn't. The amp hummed when powered on, it wasn't silent. That is cut and dry, there's no "tests to reveal anything" in this context.

    Go back to Peter's email for a moment: "There is an extremely small amount of noise difference between completely unpowered and powered up when I'm pressing my ear against the top. This is 100% consistent with normal operation."

    As you can see, he confirms what I reported, that the amplifier makes a noise, and that there is an audible difference from when it is turned off, versus turned on. But then he goes on to say that in his opinion, that behavior is consistent with "normal operation".
    kharp1 wrote: »
    inferring that they are doing something wrong because their tests didn't reveal what his did.

    If your take home message is that I'm posting to attempt to "sway" people's opinions about TMR, than that is your personal interpretation. I post on the forum because I like to post on Club Polk.
    kharp1 wrote: »
    He's posting on this forum in an attempt to sway others opinions about TMR.

    Two sources of power, several miles apart.

    "We are all entitled to our own opinions, just not our own facts."
    kharp1 wrote: »
    We don't know what the contributing factors in the power and it's interaction with that amp.

  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,715
    My opinion means nothing in this thread!
    $236!
    Drew cuts my grass!
  • nooshinjohn
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    Hey Russ... perhaps a power outage is in order. Can you set that up?
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