2 channel system

I've read several times that the Pioneer SP-B22LR were very good speakers for their price
For music only listening, what would be other alternatives (even if they cost slightly more) to hear a noticeable difference in sound quality?
Reading the forum, I saw MA Bronze 2, Focal Chorus 605, Polk S20, etc...
What 2 channel receiver would be a good match for those? Same thing, trying to keep the price "decent" and aligned with the speakers......Saw the Pioneer Elite A-20? But can't find too many reviews.....probably not a good sign !!!

Thanks
RTiA5 + CSiA4
No surround...yet
Still looking for a receiver

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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 26,582
    The winds have shifted (far) away from those Pioneers, and to the next generation of loudspeakers designed by Andrew Jones and marketed under the ELAC brand.

    Reports from the field on the ELACs are excellent, though I've not heard a pair.

    http://www.hifihaven.org/index.php?threads/wharfedale-diamond-225-elac-b6.2915/

    http://www.hifihaven.org/index.php?threads/elac-vs-my-wallet-both-win-a-review-of-the-uni-fi-ub5-standmount-speaker.2080/page-3#post-57862
    (this latter thread is of a "higher-end" ELAC, with a coaxial driver, broadly/vaguely similar to the KEF LS-50)


    Pioneers or the ELACs -- both are of fairly low sensitivity and (perhaps paradoxically for cheap, small loudspeakers) both would benefit from good quality, high-ish powered amplification.

    HTH (as they say).
  • Saw a pair of Focal Aria 905 - apparently new - for $400 in my area
    Is this a good deal?
    RTiA5 + CSiA4
    No surround...yet
    Still looking for a receiver
  • French_guyFrench_guy Posts: 317
    edited December 2017
    Assuming I can get a Parasound HCA-1000 (used), is it going to be a good match, and what pre-amp should I look for?
    RTiA5 + CSiA4
    No surround...yet
    Still looking for a receiver
  • cfrizzcfrizz Posts: 13,420
    If you can, try to get matching Parasound gear, and you will have one slamming system.
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  • Like Zpre2 or Zpre3?
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    Still looking for a receiver
  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 6,794
    I don’t think there is much reason for marching gear other than aesthetics is there? B&K, rotel, Cambridge, nad, lots of good used pres out there that would go just fine with that amp.

    And if those focals and 8 ohm and fairly efficient an HCA 750 is also a great little amp that is like 98% of the HCA1000.
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  • cfrizzcfrizz Posts: 13,420
    edited December 2017
    rooftop59 wrote: »
    I don’t think there is much reason for marching gear other than aesthetics is there? B&K, rotel, Cambridge, nad, lots of good used pres out there that would go just fine with that amp.

    And if those focals and 8 ohm and fairly efficient an HCA 750 is also a great little amp that is like 98% of the HCA1000.

    Yes there is the aesthetics piece to the whole, but mostly I recommended a matching Parasound because they do so well with bringing out the best with Polk speakers. But any of the other names you mentioned would also do a great job. What's important is that he has the power to properly drive whatever speakers he gets.

    If you like silver faced gear, here are a Parasound prepro and amp you could look into.

    https://www.audiogon.com/listings/solid-state-parasound-halo-p-3-2017-11-15-preamplifiers

    https://www.audiogon.com/listings/solid-state-parasound-a-23-stereo-power-amplifier-near-san-francisco-2017-12-04-amplifiers
    Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 ch. 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony Bravia KDL-40R510C TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Boston VR-920 Center Channel, SVS NSD-12 SB12 Subwoofer, Polk DSW 400 Subwoofer, Polk FXi-3 Surround Speakers
  • French_guyFrench_guy Posts: 317
    edited December 2017
    rooftop59 wrote: »
    I don’t think there is much reason for marching gear other than aesthetics is there? B&K, rotel, Cambridge, nad, lots of good used pres out there that would go just fine with that amp.

    And if those focals and 8 ohm and fairly efficient an HCA 750 is also a great little amp that is like 98% of the HCA1000.

    they are 8 ohms, but 89 db....not super efficient. Would an HCA-750 suffice?
    RTiA5 + CSiA4
    No surround...yet
    Still looking for a receiver
  • cfrizzcfrizz Posts: 13,420
    It depends on how heavy you go on the volume knob.

    I personally subscribe to the more power you can afford to buy is the way to go. I'd rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it. I always recommend starting with 200wpc at 8ohms and go up from there.

    Most people can hear a clear and distinct improvement in their speakers no matter where the volume knob is, especially at lower volume.

    There is also the fact that the amp can stay with you through all other upgrades to your speakers, and if you get a pair of 4ohm speakers you will have enough power to drive them and not worry about it or have to upgrade.

    The bottom line is to make sure your speakers are operating to their full potential, which is what an amp will do for you and a receiver won't.
    Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 ch. 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony Bravia KDL-40R510C TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Boston VR-920 Center Channel, SVS NSD-12 SB12 Subwoofer, Polk DSW 400 Subwoofer, Polk FXi-3 Surround Speakers
  • mikeyb128mikeyb128 Posts: 2,887
    French_guy wrote: »
    Saw a pair of Focal Aria 905 - apparently new - for $400 in my area
    Is this a good deal?

    Buy those 905’s. I have a pair and they’re really good for 400.
    2 channel:
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    Theater:
    Focal Aria 926,905,CC900, SVS PB ultra x2. Pioneer Elite SC85, Oppo BDP93, Panamax M5400PM, Minix neox6, Nordost Blue heaven LS power cables.

  • skrolskrol Posts: 2,916
    The Parasound PLD-1100 is a nice match for the HCA-1000A. The PHP-850 is also a good choice and included a phono pre-amp stage.
    Stan

    Main 2ch:
    Polk LSi15 (DB840 upgrade), Parasound: P/LD-1100, HCA-1000A; Denon: DVD-2910, DRM-800A; Monster HTS3600-MKII, Grado SR-225i; Technics SL-J2, Parasound PPH-100.

    HT:
    Marantz SR7010, Polk: RTA11TL (RDO198-1, XO and Damping Upgrades), S4, CS250, PSW10 (DXi104 upgrade), Marantz UD5005, Pioneer PL-530, Panasonic TC-P42S60

    Other stuff:
    Denon: DRA-835R, AVR-888, DCD-660, DRM-700A, DRR-780; Polk: S8, Monitor 5A, 5B, TSi100, RM7; Pioneer: CT-6R; Onkyo CP-1046F; Ortofon OM5E, Marantz: PM5004, CD5004, CDR-615; Parasound C/PT-600, HCA-800ii, Sony CDP-650ESD, Technics SA 5070, B&W DM601
  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 22,965
    @Cathy...

    Even if you think you are not using all your amp’s power, many times you really are. Transient peaks come up all over the place in music, and especially movie soundtracks. It is best to have that power stored and ready to be released when needed than to not have it and clip something.
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  • cfrizzcfrizz Posts: 13,420
    Thanks John that's a good point that I don't think about, I just know that everything sounds great and nothing has blown up yet regardless how loud I go. :D
    Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 ch. 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony Bravia KDL-40R510C TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Boston VR-920 Center Channel, SVS NSD-12 SB12 Subwoofer, Polk DSW 400 Subwoofer, Polk FXi-3 Surround Speakers
  • So Cfrizz must be Cathy............Nice to meet you :)
    RTiA5 + CSiA4
    No surround...yet
    Still looking for a receiver
  • cfrizzcfrizz Posts: 13,420
    Yes French Guy, I'm Cathy, it's nice to meet you as well. :)
    Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 ch. 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony Bravia KDL-40R510C TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Boston VR-920 Center Channel, SVS NSD-12 SB12 Subwoofer, Polk DSW 400 Subwoofer, Polk FXi-3 Surround Speakers
  • I'm Xavier by the way
    RTiA5 + CSiA4
    No surround...yet
    Still looking for a receiver
  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 45,211
    French_guy wrote: »
    I've read several times that the Pioneer SP-B22LR were very good speakers for their price
    For music only listening, what would be other alternatives (even if they cost slightly more) to hear a noticeable difference in sound quality?
    Reading the forum, I saw MA Bronze 2, Focal Chorus 605, Polk S20, etc...
    What 2 channel receiver would be a good match for those? Same thing, trying to keep the price "decent" and aligned with the speakers......Saw the Pioneer Elite A-20? But can't find too many reviews.....probably not a good sign !!!

    Thanks

    Any of the 3 speakers you mentioned would be an improvement over the Pioneer.
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  • Am I wrong by saying if the speaker by itself is important, the pair speakers - amp is even more important? So a "good" speaker with the "wrong" amp might not be as good as a "simpler" speaker, but paired with the right electronic?
    With that being said, which pair would you recommend?
    RTiA5 + CSiA4
    No surround...yet
    Still looking for a receiver
  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 22,965
    cfrizz wrote: »
    Yes French Guy, I'm Cathy, it's nice to meet you as well. :)
    French_guy wrote: »
    I'm Xavier by the way

    Get a room... <3:p
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, TriangleArt Reference SE with Pass Labs Xono Phono Preamp, Walker Precision Motor Drive, ClearAudio Goldfinger Diamond v2 cartridge and Origin Conquerer Mk3c tonearm, Polk Audio "Signature" Reference Series 1.2TL with complete mods, Pass Labs X0.2 three chassis preamp, PS Audio PerfectWave DAC MkII, Krell Evolution 505 SACD Player, Pioneer Elite SC-LX701, Oppo UDP-205 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds.

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  • cfrizzcfrizz Posts: 13,420
    Having good speakers AND good electronics/power is important to have a good system.

    I only have one system that has to handle both HT/music, so I picked good speakers first then got good electronics to bring out the best out of the speakers.

    I recently got the Polk Signature S60 speakers as my main speakers after having the Polk RTA-8Ts for 27 years.

    These speakers are terrific. They do justice to both music and movies, I have gotten back into listening my cds in 2 channel mode since getting them.

    All this will boil down to how much you want to spend. If you want new speakers or are willing to go used for your gear.

    You will need to plan for the speakers, receiver or separate amp/prepro, speaker wire and IC's to hook it all together. This will get you started.

    At a later point, you will need to decide if you want to add a sub to the mix for 2.1 sound. I highly recommend getting a sub because there really isn't any speaker whether book shelf or tower that can reach the levels that some music and especially movies can go down to. It is simply putting a strain on your speakers trying to do everything and then the sound gets muddled with nothing being very clear.

    My 60s go lower than my RTA's but until I put a sub on either of them, I didn't realize how much I was missing and how well the mid bass cleared up with having the low bass handled by the sub.

    Take your time, do your research, and put aside more money so that you can get good gear the first time around. We will be here to help you every step of the way.

    Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 ch. 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony Bravia KDL-40R510C TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Boston VR-920 Center Channel, SVS NSD-12 SB12 Subwoofer, Polk DSW 400 Subwoofer, Polk FXi-3 Surround Speakers
  • cfrizz wrote: »
    Yes French Guy, I'm Cathy, it's nice to meet you as well. :)
    French_guy wrote: »
    I'm Xavier by the way

    Get a room... <3:p

    Jealous?
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    No surround...yet
    Still looking for a receiver
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