2.3tl mod - no turning back now!

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stones89
stones89 Posts: 229
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Well you fine folks convinced me to do it so I have begun. I have sealed the interior with loctite, installed hurricane nuts, alot of fun that is, power grabbed the MW's on the top and lower portion of the magnets and dynamatted the baskets on the MW's and PR.

The gaskets look good so no Armacell necessary.

All bolts are tight, did make a rookie mistake and over torque one of the bolts so it is history. I filled the hole with loctite and everything seems to be nice and tight. Next up in the next couple of days is cutting and installing Black Hole 5 sheets for the MW’s.

Lastly, is the crossover upgrade that nooshinjohn has been so gracious to rebuild for me. He is the best!

In the next couple of weeks I will button eveything back up and burn in and enjoy. And since I am a cableholic/horder/finatic I know I will have to upgrade the connections and IC with a dreadnought....eventually or I won’t be able to sleep! Also see about the tweeters but I want to see how the SL3000’s sound with a new XO.

Unbelievable info and resources on this site! I will send pix shortly...
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  • Moose68Bash
    Moose68Bash Posts: 3,842
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    Good luck, and I look forward to lots of pictures! :)
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  • drumminman
    drumminman Posts: 3,396
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    Get the RD-0198's - one of the best mods hands down. This is from experience.
    "Science is suppose to explain observations not dismiss them as impossible" - Norm on AA; 2.3TL's w/sonicaps/mills/jantzen inductors, Gimpod's boards, Lg Solen SDA inductors, RD-0198's, MW's dynamatted, Armaflex speaker gaskets, H-nuts, brass spikes, Cardas CCGR BP's, upgraded IC Cable, Black Hole Damping Sheet strips, interior of cabinets sealed with Loctite Power Grab, AI-1 interface with 1000VA A-L transformer
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  • stones89
    stones89 Posts: 229
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    Thanks drumminman, what is your take on the dreadnought?
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  • stones89
    stones89 Posts: 229
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    Nekkid
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  • stones89
    stones89 Posts: 229
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  • stones89
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    Lousy picture but Blackhole 5
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  • honestaquarian
    honestaquarian Posts: 3,186
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    Man am I jealous. You have room to do both at the same time (*and the cabinet is larger so you have more room to do the glue*)
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    honestaquarian Posts: 3,186
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    P.S. I agree about the RD-0198's
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  • stones89
    stones89 Posts: 229
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    Sounds like the tweeters are paramount in the upgrade.

    I've got blistas on my fingas.....from 72 hurricane nuts.
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,132
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    stones89 wrote: »
    Sounds like the tweeters are paramount in the upgrade.

    I've got blistas on my fingas.....from 72 hurricane nuts.

    :) No Pain No Gain, You may you eat the fruit of your labor :)
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  • honestaquarian
    honestaquarian Posts: 3,186
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    stones89 wrote: »
    Sounds like the tweeters are paramount in the upgrade.

    I've got blistas on my fingas.....from 72 hurricane nuts.

    Well I guess that can't be any worse than having to modify parts of the cabinet to accept Larry's rings............ :s
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  • stones89
    stones89 Posts: 229
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    Right, roadblocks are never fun when everything is disassembled.
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  • stones89
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    It is amazing how much better I was on the second speaker. It's like being a dentist's very first patient. :#
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  • drumminman
    drumminman Posts: 3,396
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    Re: the dreadnought, I built both the 800VA and the 1000Va versions with the Avel-Lindberg trannys and using enclosures from Larry. They both improve the SQ. The advantage of the smaller is that it's an off the shelf item and it's cheaper. The latter provides an audible (to me) upgrade in performance.

    I sold the 800 after I built the 1000 and never looked back. I built a second dreadnought for some CRS+ speakers I modded which are used in a HT. Both the main rig and the HT are powered with common ground amps.
    "Science is suppose to explain observations not dismiss them as impossible" - Norm on AA; 2.3TL's w/sonicaps/mills/jantzen inductors, Gimpod's boards, Lg Solen SDA inductors, RD-0198's, MW's dynamatted, Armaflex speaker gaskets, H-nuts, brass spikes, Cardas CCGR BP's, upgraded IC Cable, Black Hole Damping Sheet strips, interior of cabinets sealed with Loctite Power Grab, AI-1 interface with 1000VA A-L transformer
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  • stones89
    stones89 Posts: 229
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    Wow, impressive you have 2 and one in your HT.

    I think I will get to that, maybe there will be a group buy in the future. I use mono blocks but also like to drop a stereo Classe CG amp in from time to time. I have an AI-1 wrapped in tin foil currently. I have it hidden behind my speaker because I am starting to believe…maybe I am crazy….
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  • Mike Reeter
    Mike Reeter Posts: 4,314
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    Looks like a great start, you will be rewarded for all your efforts. I would suggest a pair of sturdy Saw Horses with some carpet or padding across the top bar.

    MUCH easier on the knees and back when working on those big cabinets!
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  • lawdogg
    lawdogg Posts: 450
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    Looks awesome! FYI, and I made the same mistake, that dynamat tape is just that - tape. It's not dynamat! I bought the same stuff by mistake and still have the roll of aluminum tape! Something like this is the real dynamat stuff.
    <3 my 3.1TLs

    I will fix your shifted magnets for free. :)
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  • stones89
    stones89 Posts: 229
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    Dynamat - I suspected that after I freakin put the speakers back in. I cannot see myself retapping the speakers…oh well….
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  • stones89
    stones89 Posts: 229
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    Delivered Apr 9, 2017
    Your package was delivered.
    Track package

    Dynamat 13100 1-1/2" Wide and 30' Long DynaTape Sound Deadener
    Sold by: Amazon.com LLC

    This is what I bought. It clearly says sound deadener, have I been hooked?
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  • stones89
    stones89 Posts: 229
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    Mike Reeter wrote: »
    Looks like a great start, you will be rewarded for all your efforts. I would suggest a pair of sturdy Saw Horses with some carpet or padding across the top bar.

    MUCH easier on the knees and back when working on those big cabinets!


    No doubt! getting them on saw horses can't be an easy feat.
    Basis 2200 Signature, Vector 4, Transfiguration Proteus, Allnic H3000, Meridian 200/563, CJ ET5, McIntosh 501's, Thiel CS6, 3.6, Polk SDA SRS 2.3tl, MIT EVO, KS/Wywires PC's
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,132
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    Yeah, that wording suxx

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    Gone to new homes: (Matt Polk's)Threshold Stasis SA12e monoblocks, Pass XA30.5 amp, Usher MD2 speakers, Dynaudio C4 platinum speakers, Modwright LS100 (voltz), Simaudio 780D DAC

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  • lawdogg
    lawdogg Posts: 450
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    Yep but so was I!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMh6O7HuI08
    <3 my 3.1TLs

    I will fix your shifted magnets for free. :)
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  • stones89
    stones89 Posts: 229
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    Man, oh well I will let you guys know how the dynamat aluminum finishing tape sounds because the chance of me taking the speakers back out and retapping will happen when monkeys fly out my arse!
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  • Mike Reeter
    Mike Reeter Posts: 4,314
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    stones89 wrote: »
    Mike Reeter wrote: »
    Looks like a great start, you will be rewarded for all your efforts. I would suggest a pair of sturdy Saw Horses with some carpet or padding across the top bar.

    MUCH easier on the knees and back when working on those big cabinets!


    No doubt! getting them on saw horses can't be an easy feat.

    It's a 2-man job, but soo worth it!
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  • stones89
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    Thats the problem, I am one man with a 58 year old back. But kneeling and crawling around on the floor is brutal!
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  • stones89
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    how many of those sheets does it take to do 2 speakers? Anyone know? Maybe i can convince my wife to retape……..not likely!
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  • MrBuhl
    MrBuhl Posts: 2,419
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    granted, I was only doing 1c's, but one sheet did mine, and then some, (including my 2btl's).
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  • stones89
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    That should do it then, thanks. If I have to half the amount I will. I would rather do that than overdo. Sounds like a little dab will do ya.
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  • stones89
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    Peeled off the aluminum tape and applied dynamat xtrem. 2 sheets is plenty.
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