According to a very recent common sense theory, 90% of the people here believe cables don't matter.......
............so based on that, buy the cheapest you can find.
H9
"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass
Pass Aleph 30 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Plus DAC | MIT Shotgun S3 | MIT Z P/C's | updated SDA 1C| SQ Box Touch/Welbourne Labs P/S-Tubes add soul!
I found an Audioquest forest on Amazon for 35 bucks. Any opinions?
Not bad, like skip said worth a shot,
Whatever you do stay away from the bargain 99 cent cables even if it's a 1 meter.
When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.
Family Room:
Samsung UN75RU710DFXZA,
Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, WD Live HUB.
Main: Polk LsiM 705
Center: Polk LSiM 704C
Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
Surrounds: Polk S15
Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5
Bed Room;
Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
Main: Polk Signature S20
Center: Polk Signature S35
Rear: Polk R15
Sub: HSU STF-2
Working Warehouse;
Sony 2100ES AVR, Sony DVP-NS3100ES for disc
Cerwin Vega AT-12 (blasters) Advent Prodigy (listening)
Old sony 12" Sub
Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
Is there anything else that I should look at? I know it's not a huge investment but I have no idea what else is out there. I would go with Wireworld but they don't have an inexpensive USB 3.
Get the Audioquest, if you don't want to spend the cash on that go Belkin. All of my portable drive cables are Belkin, been using them for years and never had a problem.
When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.
Family Room:
Samsung UN75RU710DFXZA,
Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, WD Live HUB.
Main: Polk LsiM 705
Center: Polk LSiM 704C
Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
Surrounds: Polk S15
Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5
Bed Room;
Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
Main: Polk Signature S20
Center: Polk Signature S35
Rear: Polk R15
Sub: HSU STF-2
Working Warehouse;
Sony 2100ES AVR, Sony DVP-NS3100ES for disc
Cerwin Vega AT-12 (blasters) Advent Prodigy (listening)
Old sony 12" Sub
Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
Let's not run this thread into the ground. He didn't ask if there are differences in cables. He asked for a low priced cable that people might have experience with.
H9
P.s. I'm not saying your comment is an issue, just a general plea to everyone to keep it on track, myself included
"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass
Pass Aleph 30 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Plus DAC | MIT Shotgun S3 | MIT Z P/C's | updated SDA 1C| SQ Box Touch/Welbourne Labs P/S-Tubes add soul!
I never wanted to believe there were differences either. Now I have the top of the line Wireworld and have zero regrets about that decision.
This coming from a guy who tried for over a year or two to find a better speaker cable than my $100 used PNF. I've tried several cables in the $3-5k range and none did better until I got the Equinox in. This is all to say that sometimes bias isn't what it seems from those on the outside looking in.
It's all about noise. Eliminating it gives you better sound and every component in the rig is a culprit.
Are the same theories some people use to justify the value of expensive cables for analog signals applicable for the transmission of digital signals?
I would be real surprised if there was an audible difference between USB cables unless one was defective or had no conductivity.
Before anyone decides to attack me over this, notice I said "I'd be surprised" not that I am better than everyone else or anything like that. lol
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I never wanted to believe there were differences either. Now I have the top of the line Wireworld and have zero regrets about that decision.
This coming from a guy who tried for over a year or two to find a better speaker cable than my $100 used PNF. I've tried several cables in the $3-5k range and none did better until I got the Equinox in. This is all to say that sometimes bias isn't what it seems from those on the outside looking in.
It's all about noise. Eliminating it gives you better sound and every component in the rig is a culprit.
That's interesting. So with the cheaper USB cable you could hear "noise" over it transmitting a digital signal?
Maybe that would fall into the category of some kind of external interference or something since digital is basically just a 0 or 1? But then, unlike an audio cable, there is power flowing through the USB cable too so maybe that would make sense.
In any case, I wouldn't have expected any difference since it is kind of like an all-or-nothing when it comes to digital.
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(2) SRT Center Speakers
(2) SRT Control Centers w/Remote
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(2) PSW650 Subs
Pioneer Elite SC-09TX AVR
Pioneer Elite BDP-09FD Blu-Ray
Pioneer Elite BDP-33FD Blu-Ray (Region-Free)
Custom HTPC w/Multi-Lane SATA Hot-Swapable Drive RAID Tower
I'm in the IT, integration business and like electronic gadgets and toys.
Without getting into the audible part. I've used upgraded HDMI's, USB, phone cables etc, just the fact they are made better and last a lot long especially ones for portable devices.
Have watched speed tests improve with better USB's while data transferring with better cables. Would attribute to better quality builds, and metals.
Let's not run this thread into the ground. He didn't ask if there are differences in cables. He asked for a low priced cable that people might have experience with.
H9
P.s. I'm not saying your comment is an issue, just a general plea to everyone to keep it on track, myself included
Unlike F1's typical personal attack, my post has direct relevance to the OP's question. He's looking for an inexpensive "decent" USB cable. I never really knew there were any "bad" ones per say which is why I asked the question.
I'm in the IT, integration business and like electronic gadgets and toys.
Without getting into the audible part. I've used upgraded HDMI's, USB, phone cables etc, just the fact they are made better and last a lot long especially ones for portable devices.
Have watched speed tests improve with better USB's while data transferring with better cables. Would attribute to better quality builds, and metals.
That's kind of what I would expect for digital. If a real cheapo one has "noise" maybe it's just the basic build quality that sucks?
I would think most (if not all) USB cables would be "decent" as long as they aren't defective in some way. I wouldn't expect to see any difference between say a $10 USB cable and a $5,000 one. Maybe between a 50 cent one and a $10 one though.
POLK AUDIO SRT
(Signature Reference Theater) SRT 10.2 SYSTEM
(4) SRT Subs & Satellites
(2) SRT Center Speakers
(2) SRT Control Centers w/Remote
(4) f/x1000 Surrounds
(2) PSW650 Subs
Pioneer Elite SC-09TX AVR
Pioneer Elite BDP-09FD Blu-Ray
Pioneer Elite BDP-33FD Blu-Ray (Region-Free)
Custom HTPC w/Multi-Lane SATA Hot-Swapable Drive RAID Tower
"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass
Pass Aleph 30 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Plus DAC | MIT Shotgun S3 | MIT Z P/C's | updated SDA 1C| SQ Box Touch/Welbourne Labs P/S-Tubes add soul!
I use a Starlight 7 and have always been happy with the sound and build quality.
I have an extra Starlight 7 STM (Type A to Mini x .5 meter) that I no longer need. You said you need a Micro so maybe a no-go.
I paid $90 and will let it go for $50 if you pay for the shipping.
PM me if you are interested.
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Its OK. The carbon is much better, but more expensive. Give it a shot and see what happens.
............so based on that, buy the cheapest you can find.
H9
Pass Aleph 30 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Plus DAC | MIT Shotgun S3 | MIT Z P/C's | updated SDA 1C| SQ Box Touch/Welbourne Labs P/S- Tubes add soul!
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Reported..........
Not bad, like skip said worth a shot,
Whatever you do stay away from the bargain 99 cent cables even if it's a 1 meter.
Family Room:
Samsung UN75RU710DFXZA,
Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, WD Live HUB.
Main: Polk LsiM 705
Center: Polk LSiM 704C
Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
Surrounds: Polk S15
Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5
Bed Room;
Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
Main: Polk Signature S20
Center: Polk Signature S35
Rear: Polk R15
Sub: HSU STF-2
Working Warehouse;
Sony 2100ES AVR, Sony DVP-NS3100ES for disc
Cerwin Vega AT-12 (blasters) Advent Prodigy (listening)
Old sony 12" Sub
Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
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Desktop rig: LSi7, Polk 110sub, Dayens Ampino amp, W4S DAC/pre, Sonos, JRiver
Gear on standby: Melody 101 tube pre, Unison Research Simply Italy Integrated
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Desktop rig: LSi7, Polk 110sub, Dayens Ampino amp, W4S DAC/pre, Sonos, JRiver
Gear on standby: Melody 101 tube pre, Unison Research Simply Italy Integrated
Gone to new homes: (Matt Polk's)Threshold Stasis SA12e monoblocks, Pass XA30.5 amp, Usher MD2 speakers, Dynaudio C4 platinum speakers, Modwright LS100 (voltz), Simaudio 780D DAC
Family Room:
Samsung UN75RU710DFXZA,
Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, WD Live HUB.
Main: Polk LsiM 705
Center: Polk LSiM 704C
Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
Surrounds: Polk S15
Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5
Bed Room;
Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
Main: Polk Signature S20
Center: Polk Signature S35
Rear: Polk R15
Sub: HSU STF-2
Working Warehouse;
Sony 2100ES AVR, Sony DVP-NS3100ES for disc
Cerwin Vega AT-12 (blasters) Advent Prodigy (listening)
Old sony 12" Sub
Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
But the problem is that you don't know which three they are.
Exercise Room, Wadia 171 iPod Dock, PS Audio PerfectWave MkII DAC w/Bridge II, AQ Sky XLRs, Perreaux PMF3150 Amp, Dreadnought, Supra Rondo 4x2.5 Speaker Cables, SDA 1Cs (Vr3 Mods Xovers).
Synology 713+ NAS on Gigabit LAN serving PW MkII DAC & DirectStream DAC.
I would be real surprised if there was an audible difference between USB cables unless one was defective or had no conductivity.
Before anyone decides to attack me over this, notice I said "I'd be surprised" not that I am better than everyone else or anything like that. lol
(Signature Reference Theater)
SRT 10.2 SYSTEM
(4) SRT Subs & Satellites
(2) SRT Center Speakers
(2) SRT Control Centers w/Remote
(4) f/x1000 Surrounds
(2) PSW650 Subs
Pioneer Elite SC-09TX AVR
Pioneer Elite BDP-09FD Blu-Ray
Pioneer Elite BDP-33FD Blu-Ray (Region-Free)
Custom HTPC w/Multi-Lane SATA Hot-Swapable Drive RAID Tower
H9
P.s. I'm not saying your comment is an issue, just a general plea to everyone to keep it on track, myself included
Pass Aleph 30 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Plus DAC | MIT Shotgun S3 | MIT Z P/C's | updated SDA 1C| SQ Box Touch/Welbourne Labs P/S- Tubes add soul!
This coming from a guy who tried for over a year or two to find a better speaker cable than my $100 used PNF. I've tried several cables in the $3-5k range and none did better until I got the Equinox in. This is all to say that sometimes bias isn't what it seems from those on the outside looking in.
It's all about noise. Eliminating it gives you better sound and every component in the rig is a culprit.
TROLL
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk
That's interesting. So with the cheaper USB cable you could hear "noise" over it transmitting a digital signal?
Maybe that would fall into the category of some kind of external interference or something since digital is basically just a 0 or 1? But then, unlike an audio cable, there is power flowing through the USB cable too so maybe that would make sense.
In any case, I wouldn't have expected any difference since it is kind of like an all-or-nothing when it comes to digital.
(Signature Reference Theater)
SRT 10.2 SYSTEM
(4) SRT Subs & Satellites
(2) SRT Center Speakers
(2) SRT Control Centers w/Remote
(4) f/x1000 Surrounds
(2) PSW650 Subs
Pioneer Elite SC-09TX AVR
Pioneer Elite BDP-09FD Blu-Ray
Pioneer Elite BDP-33FD Blu-Ray (Region-Free)
Custom HTPC w/Multi-Lane SATA Hot-Swapable Drive RAID Tower
Without getting into the audible part. I've used upgraded HDMI's, USB, phone cables etc, just the fact they are made better and last a lot long especially ones for portable devices.
Have watched speed tests improve with better USB's while data transferring with better cables. Would attribute to better quality builds, and metals.
Desktop rig: LSi7, Polk 110sub, Dayens Ampino amp, W4S DAC/pre, Sonos, JRiver
Gear on standby: Melody 101 tube pre, Unison Research Simply Italy Integrated
Gone to new homes: (Matt Polk's)Threshold Stasis SA12e monoblocks, Pass XA30.5 amp, Usher MD2 speakers, Dynaudio C4 platinum speakers, Modwright LS100 (voltz), Simaudio 780D DAC
Unlike F1's typical personal attack, my post has direct relevance to the OP's question. He's looking for an inexpensive "decent" USB cable. I never really knew there were any "bad" ones per say which is why I asked the question.
Which ones aren't decent?
That's kind of what I would expect for digital. If a real cheapo one has "noise" maybe it's just the basic build quality that sucks?
I would think most (if not all) USB cables would be "decent" as long as they aren't defective in some way. I wouldn't expect to see any difference between say a $10 USB cable and a $5,000 one. Maybe between a 50 cent one and a $10 one though.
(Signature Reference Theater)
SRT 10.2 SYSTEM
(4) SRT Subs & Satellites
(2) SRT Center Speakers
(2) SRT Control Centers w/Remote
(4) f/x1000 Surrounds
(2) PSW650 Subs
Pioneer Elite SC-09TX AVR
Pioneer Elite BDP-09FD Blu-Ray
Pioneer Elite BDP-33FD Blu-Ray (Region-Free)
Custom HTPC w/Multi-Lane SATA Hot-Swapable Drive RAID Tower
Pass Aleph 30 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Plus DAC | MIT Shotgun S3 | MIT Z P/C's | updated SDA 1C| SQ Box Touch/Welbourne Labs P/S- Tubes add soul!
What's that supposed to mean?
(Signature Reference Theater)
SRT 10.2 SYSTEM
(4) SRT Subs & Satellites
(2) SRT Center Speakers
(2) SRT Control Centers w/Remote
(4) f/x1000 Surrounds
(2) PSW650 Subs
Pioneer Elite SC-09TX AVR
Pioneer Elite BDP-09FD Blu-Ray
Pioneer Elite BDP-33FD Blu-Ray (Region-Free)
Custom HTPC w/Multi-Lane SATA Hot-Swapable Drive RAID Tower
Desktop rig: LSi7, Polk 110sub, Dayens Ampino amp, W4S DAC/pre, Sonos, JRiver
Gear on standby: Melody 101 tube pre, Unison Research Simply Italy Integrated
Gone to new homes: (Matt Polk's)Threshold Stasis SA12e monoblocks, Pass XA30.5 amp, Usher MD2 speakers, Dynaudio C4 platinum speakers, Modwright LS100 (voltz), Simaudio 780D DAC
Yeah that's a good point right there. USB does get a lot more abuse (physical wear & tear) than most other cables.
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SRT 10.2 SYSTEM
(4) SRT Subs & Satellites
(2) SRT Center Speakers
(2) SRT Control Centers w/Remote
(4) f/x1000 Surrounds
(2) PSW650 Subs
Pioneer Elite SC-09TX AVR
Pioneer Elite BDP-09FD Blu-Ray
Pioneer Elite BDP-33FD Blu-Ray (Region-Free)
Custom HTPC w/Multi-Lane SATA Hot-Swapable Drive RAID Tower
I have an extra Starlight 7 STM (Type A to Mini x .5 meter) that I no longer need. You said you need a Micro so maybe a no-go.
I paid $90 and will let it go for $50 if you pay for the shipping.
PM me if you are interested.
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