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  • Mikey081057
    Mikey081057 Posts: 7,127
    scottyboy76 wrote: »
    Mikey081057 wrote: »
    Came home today and had a brand spankin new PB13- Ultra waiting for me in the garage. After carefully unpacking, I carefully loaded it onto a dolly and wheeled it in to the house. I placed it and after reading the QRG I fired that bad boy up.

    and WOW... Holy **** ;;;;

    Here are my initial impressions.

    1. This is a big MFER. I know they said it was big but wow this is big.
    2. Some SERIOUS BASS... I have only been sampling some movie stuff from Directv.. But it is some seriously deep well balanced BASS.
    3. Don't know why i bothered with my other subs.878o9e8j99hd.jpg

    mikey, will you adopt me,...please

    I'll beam you up Scotty :mrgreen:

    My New Year's resolution is 3840 × 2160

    Family Room| Marantz AV7704| Usher Dancer Mini - 2 DMD Mains |Usher Dancer Mini-x DMD's Surrounds | Usher BE-616 DMD Center | SVS Ultra Rear Surrounds | Parasound Halo A21 | Parsound Halo A52+ | MIT Shotgun S3's | Dual SVS SB 4000 Ultras | Oppo UDP 203 | Directv Genie HD DVR | Samsung 75" Q8 QLED | PSAudio Stellar GCD | Mytek Brooklyn DAC+ | Lumin U1 Mini | HP Elite Slice PC | ROON'd for life |

    ManCave: HT:Polk LSiM 706VR3 LSiM 703's LSiM 702's|| Marantz AV7002 AV PrePro Sunfire TGA-7401| Sony PS4 Pro| Sony PS4 Pro|SVS PB13 Ultra| Oppo UDP 203 | Music Hall MMF 5.3se TT w/ Soundsmith Carmen | Samsung 55" SUHD TV | Sony PS4

    Patio | Polk Atrium 8's | Yamaha R-N303BL |

    Office BlueSound Node| KEF LS50 | Peactree Nova 125SE |

    Bedroom | Focal 905's | Chromecast Audio |

    Garage | Polk Monitor 5B's

    Closet Yamaha M80 | 2 Polk MP3K subs| Yaqin MC100B with Shuguang Treasures KT 88's & CV181Z's | Tesla E83CC's | Marantz 2252B | Marantz 2385 |Polk SDA SRS 2.3 | LSiM 705's |
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  • nhhiep
    nhhiep Posts: 877
    If any of you is thinking about the SB16, go to BB and talk them down. Last night I did a special order for $1750. even with tax, it's still less than $2k. I know they're still making $ because the profit margin for audio stuffs is like 30-40%
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  • polrbehr
    polrbehr Posts: 2,840
    nhhiep wrote: »
    If any of you is thinking about the SB16, go to BB and talk them down. Last night I did a special order for $1750. even with tax, it's still less than $2k. I know they're still making $ because the profit margin for audio stuffs is like 30-40%
    If only there were any BBs around here that even carried them. The closest one to me is over 50 miles away, and the largest one they carry is the SB13.

    So, are you willing to put forth a little effort or are you happy sitting in your skeptical poo pile?


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  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,600
    nhhiep wrote: »
    If any of you is thinking about the SB16, go to BB and talk them down. Last night I did a special order for $1750. even with tax, it's still less than $2k. I know they're still making $ because the profit margin for audio stuffs is like 30-40%

    Take pics and post thoughts!
    Magico M2, JL113v2x2, EMM, ARC Ref 10 Line, ARC Ref 10 Phono, VPIx2, Lyra Etna, Airtight Opus1, Boulder, AQ Wel&Wild, SRA Scuttle Rack, BlueSound+LPS, Thorens 124DD+124SPU, Sennheiser, Metaxas R2R
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  • gurot1
    gurot1 Posts: 519
    edited November 2016
    Looks like SVS offering trade up program for customers that bought from them. 100 percent credit if bought ur sub within last year, 75 percent upto 2 years old, etc. Of course there is the part about paying shipping and subs need to be in like new condition.
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  • dpowell
    dpowell Posts: 3,081
    gurot1 wrote: »
    Looks like SVS offering trade up program for customers that bought from them. 100 percent credit if bought ur sub within last year, 75 percent upto 2 years old, etc. Of course there is the part about paying shipping and subs need to be in like new condition.

    I found out that shipping cost will depend on location but in my case it was going to be over $800 (my 2 subs shipped back and the 2 new ones shipped to me) in addition to the remainder due after trade-in allowance.
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    polkaudio Fully Modded SDA SRS 1.2TLs + Dreadnaught, LSiM706c, 4 X Polk Surrounds + 4 X ATMOS, SVS PB13 Ultra X 2, McIntosh C2300, Marantz AV7704, Bob Carver Crimson Beauty 350 Tube Mono Blocks, Carver Sunfire Signature Cinema Grande 400x5, ADCOM GFA 7807, Panasonic UB420, Sim Audio Moon 380D DAC, EPSON Pro Cinema 6050
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  • Mikey081057
    Mikey081057 Posts: 7,127
    I'm thinking....
    My New Year's resolution is 3840 × 2160

    Family Room| Marantz AV7704| Usher Dancer Mini - 2 DMD Mains |Usher Dancer Mini-x DMD's Surrounds | Usher BE-616 DMD Center | SVS Ultra Rear Surrounds | Parasound Halo A21 | Parsound Halo A52+ | MIT Shotgun S3's | Dual SVS SB 4000 Ultras | Oppo UDP 203 | Directv Genie HD DVR | Samsung 75" Q8 QLED | PSAudio Stellar GCD | Mytek Brooklyn DAC+ | Lumin U1 Mini | HP Elite Slice PC | ROON'd for life |

    ManCave: HT:Polk LSiM 706VR3 LSiM 703's LSiM 702's|| Marantz AV7002 AV PrePro Sunfire TGA-7401| Sony PS4 Pro| Sony PS4 Pro|SVS PB13 Ultra| Oppo UDP 203 | Music Hall MMF 5.3se TT w/ Soundsmith Carmen | Samsung 55" SUHD TV | Sony PS4

    Patio | Polk Atrium 8's | Yamaha R-N303BL |

    Office BlueSound Node| KEF LS50 | Peactree Nova 125SE |

    Bedroom | Focal 905's | Chromecast Audio |

    Garage | Polk Monitor 5B's

    Closet Yamaha M80 | 2 Polk MP3K subs| Yaqin MC100B with Shuguang Treasures KT 88's & CV181Z's | Tesla E83CC's | Marantz 2252B | Marantz 2385 |Polk SDA SRS 2.3 | LSiM 705's |
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  • gurot1
    gurot1 Posts: 519
    edited November 2016
    Debating whether to go to sb16 ultra instead of pb13 ultras. But mainly using for movies right now so pb13 probably better. Sb16 would be nice in opening up some space in the room and allowing for some accoustic treatment there. Shipping to and from Canada might be a deal breaker.
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  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 11,215
    gurot1 wrote: »
    Debating whether to go to sb16 ultra instead of pb13 ultras. But mainly using for movies right now so pb13 probably better. Sb16 would be nice in opening up some space in the room and allowing for some accoustic treatment there. Shipping to and from Canada might be a deal breaker.

    Does the dealer in Toronto not honour this trade up or could possibly help out?
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  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,600
    gurot1 wrote: »
    Debating whether to go to sb16 ultra instead of pb13 ultras. But mainly using for movies right now so pb13 probably better. Sb16 would be nice in opening up some space in the room and allowing for some accoustic treatment there. Shipping to and from Canada might be a deal breaker.

    Dual SB16U?
    Magico M2, JL113v2x2, EMM, ARC Ref 10 Line, ARC Ref 10 Phono, VPIx2, Lyra Etna, Airtight Opus1, Boulder, AQ Wel&Wild, SRA Scuttle Rack, BlueSound+LPS, Thorens 124DD+124SPU, Sennheiser, Metaxas R2R
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  • gurot1
    gurot1 Posts: 519
    Yup, it would be dual.sb16's. I really shudnt...probably no.benefit for.movies over current setup...but would look nicer...something about that cube shape. I bought off amazon, thus GTA dealer wouldn't be involved...might be worth a road trip to the states lol
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  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,600
    gurot1 wrote: »
    Yup, it would be dual.sb16's. I really shudnt...probably no.benefit for.movies over current setup...but would look nicer...something about that cube shape. I bought off amazon, thus GTA dealer wouldn't be involved...might be worth a road trip to the states lol

    Let me know how that goes... I wanna see your duals.
    Magico M2, JL113v2x2, EMM, ARC Ref 10 Line, ARC Ref 10 Phono, VPIx2, Lyra Etna, Airtight Opus1, Boulder, AQ Wel&Wild, SRA Scuttle Rack, BlueSound+LPS, Thorens 124DD+124SPU, Sennheiser, Metaxas R2R
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  • gurot1
    gurot1 Posts: 519
    edited November 2016
    Joey_V wrote: »
    Let me know how that goes... I wanna see your duals.

    That could be interpreted the wrong way :p

    On the fence whether I will do this or not yet. Where are the SB16 reviews?!!!
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  • polrbehr
    polrbehr Posts: 2,840
    gurot1 wrote: »
    Joey_V wrote: »
    Let me know how that goes... I wanna see your duals.

    That could be interpreted the wrong way :p

    On the fence whether I will do this or not yet. Where are the SB16 reviews?!!!

    Buy one and review it. Then there will be one :D
    So, are you willing to put forth a little effort or are you happy sitting in your skeptical poo pile?


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  • gurot1
    gurot1 Posts: 519
    edited November 2016
    polrbehr wrote: »
    gurot1 wrote: »
    Joey_V wrote: »
    Let me know how that goes... I wanna see your duals.

    That could be interpreted the wrong way :p

    On the fence whether I will do this or not yet. Where are the SB16 reviews?!!!

    Buy one and review it. Then there will be one :D

    I was waiting for someone to say this! I don't have a good ear, so.it wouldn't be a good review....plus I don't know how my credit card would like this. Joey_V on the other hand....

    Supposedly the first batch is out being delivered so hopefully some reviews soon
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  • gurot1
    gurot1 Posts: 519
    Hmmm looking at the numbers might not be worth it for me to trade up...looks like it might be close to $850 per sub once all the shipping costs and prorated portion for mine are taken into account. We just might have to wait for Joey to get a set to be the first to review them!
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  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,600
    gurot1 wrote: »
    Hmmm looking at the numbers might not be worth it for me to trade up...looks like it might be close to $850 per sub once all the shipping costs and prorated portion for mine are taken into account. We just might have to wait for Joey to get a set to be the first to review them!

    I would get a pair but the wife took the credit card away till January 1st....

    Ayiyi...
    Magico M2, JL113v2x2, EMM, ARC Ref 10 Line, ARC Ref 10 Phono, VPIx2, Lyra Etna, Airtight Opus1, Boulder, AQ Wel&Wild, SRA Scuttle Rack, BlueSound+LPS, Thorens 124DD+124SPU, Sennheiser, Metaxas R2R
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  • Mikey081057
    Mikey081057 Posts: 7,127
    Joey_V wrote: »
    gurot1 wrote: »
    Hmmm looking at the numbers might not be worth it for me to trade up...looks like it might be close to $850 per sub once all the shipping costs and prorated portion for mine are taken into account. We just might have to wait for Joey to get a set to be the first to review them!

    I would get a pair but the wife took the credit card away till January 1st....

    Ayiyi...

    Sounds like you need 2 pairs ... LOL
    My New Year's resolution is 3840 × 2160

    Family Room| Marantz AV7704| Usher Dancer Mini - 2 DMD Mains |Usher Dancer Mini-x DMD's Surrounds | Usher BE-616 DMD Center | SVS Ultra Rear Surrounds | Parasound Halo A21 | Parsound Halo A52+ | MIT Shotgun S3's | Dual SVS SB 4000 Ultras | Oppo UDP 203 | Directv Genie HD DVR | Samsung 75" Q8 QLED | PSAudio Stellar GCD | Mytek Brooklyn DAC+ | Lumin U1 Mini | HP Elite Slice PC | ROON'd for life |

    ManCave: HT:Polk LSiM 706VR3 LSiM 703's LSiM 702's|| Marantz AV7002 AV PrePro Sunfire TGA-7401| Sony PS4 Pro| Sony PS4 Pro|SVS PB13 Ultra| Oppo UDP 203 | Music Hall MMF 5.3se TT w/ Soundsmith Carmen | Samsung 55" SUHD TV | Sony PS4

    Patio | Polk Atrium 8's | Yamaha R-N303BL |

    Office BlueSound Node| KEF LS50 | Peactree Nova 125SE |

    Bedroom | Focal 905's | Chromecast Audio |

    Garage | Polk Monitor 5B's

    Closet Yamaha M80 | 2 Polk MP3K subs| Yaqin MC100B with Shuguang Treasures KT 88's & CV181Z's | Tesla E83CC's | Marantz 2252B | Marantz 2385 |Polk SDA SRS 2.3 | LSiM 705's |
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  • gurot1
    gurot1 Posts: 519
    Mikey081057 wrote: »
    Joey_V wrote: »
    gurot1 wrote: »
    Hmmm looking at the numbers might not be worth it for me to trade up...looks like it might be close to $850 per sub once all the shipping costs and prorated portion for mine are taken into account. We just might have to wait for Joey to get a set to be the first to review them!

    I would get a pair but the wife took the credit card away till January 1st....

    Ayiyi...

    Sounds like you need 2 pairs ... LOL
    Mikey081057 wrote: »
    Joey_V wrote: »
    gurot1 wrote: »
    Hmmm looking at the numbers might not be worth it for me to trade up...looks like it might be close to $850 per sub once all the shipping costs and prorated portion for mine are taken into account. We just might have to wait for Joey to get a set to be the first to review them!

    I would get a pair but the wife took the credit card away till January 1st....

    Ayiyi...

    Sounds like you need 2 pairs ... LOL

    Oh no you didn't!
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  • WLDock
    WLDock Posts: 3,073
    Joey_V wrote: »
    Really serious question - speakon speaker level line in vs typical RCA/XLR line?
    REL no 25 subwoofer uses speaker level inputs while the SB16U uses the typical RCA/XLR line inputs?
    I am looking for barnone the best or close to the best reproduction of the lower frequencies.
    Either way for me, I would need atleast 2.
    Joey_V wrote: »
    I would get a pair but the wife took the credit card away till January 1st.... Ayiyi...
    Joey, when Jan 1's arrives I will be shocked if you don't order one sub from a few different manufactures and do a 30 - day comparison. You've been known to roll speakers in an out of your system. Plus, your quest not too long ago for four-six very expensive REL G2 subs. IMO, the REL's, high level ability or not, are too expensive for what you get. Some swear by them....I've heard a mixture of good and bad with the brand. The one bad system possibility had too little sub for the room and maybe needed a second or better placement?

    Anyway, at your level and desire for a Piano Black finish, I can see one ordering a few subs like the REL(High Level Input Ability), the SB16, a Rythmik F15HP (High Level input ability), and maybe something like a Seaton Submersive. Plus, add in some room correction like a MiniDSP , DSPeaker-Anti-Mode, Dirac Live, etc. Then spend a month listening, tuning, and placing around the room. You can see for yourself if the REL is worth the money or if something like the Rythmik at about 1/4 of the price is as good or better or maybe the Seaton or SVS beats them all? Also, can test the High-Level input vs. Low Level input theory to see if you can hear a difference. Pick a winner, send the others back and order a second!
    2.2 Office Setup | LG 29UB55 21:9 UltraWide | HP Probook 630 G8 | Dell Latitude | Cabasse Stream Amp 100 | Boston Acoustics VS 240 | AUDIORAX Desk Stands | Sub 1 - Mirage Omni S8 | Sub 2 - Mirage Omni S8

    5.2 A/V Setup | OLED TV - Sony Bravia XR A80J 77" | Source - Fire TV 4K Max, Wiim Pro | AVR - Anthem MRX 520 | Speakers: Main - Boston Acoustics VR3 | Center - Boston Acoustics VR920 | Rear - Boston Acoustics VR-MX | Sub 1 - HSU VTF-2 mk3 | Sub 2 - HSU VTF-2 mk3
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  • rpf65
    rpf65 Posts: 2,127
    Strictly music system, line level. Two small, one from each main, would be better than one large.

    Just my opinion.
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  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,600
    Update... I have a REL G1 coming to see what's what.

    What what...

    Enroute, delivery Tuesday.

    Kinda scared to go speakon to the Boulder... Last thing I want is to blow the Boulder as that would be terrible.

    Magico M2, JL113v2x2, EMM, ARC Ref 10 Line, ARC Ref 10 Phono, VPIx2, Lyra Etna, Airtight Opus1, Boulder, AQ Wel&Wild, SRA Scuttle Rack, BlueSound+LPS, Thorens 124DD+124SPU, Sennheiser, Metaxas R2R
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  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,600
    Mikey081057 wrote: »
    Joey_V wrote: »
    gurot1 wrote: »
    Hmmm looking at the numbers might not be worth it for me to trade up...looks like it might be close to $850 per sub once all the shipping costs and prorated portion for mine are taken into account. We just might have to wait for Joey to get a set to be the first to review them!

    I would get a pair but the wife took the credit card away till January 1st....

    Ayiyi...

    Sounds like you need 2 pairs ... LOL

    Bastid!!!
    Magico M2, JL113v2x2, EMM, ARC Ref 10 Line, ARC Ref 10 Phono, VPIx2, Lyra Etna, Airtight Opus1, Boulder, AQ Wel&Wild, SRA Scuttle Rack, BlueSound+LPS, Thorens 124DD+124SPU, Sennheiser, Metaxas R2R
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  • rpf65
    rpf65 Posts: 2,127
    Joey_V wrote: »
    Update... I have a REL G1 coming to see what's what.

    What what...

    Enroute, delivery Tuesday.

    Kinda scared to go speakon to the Boulder... Last thing I want is to blow the Boulder as that would be terrible.

    How are you going to sneak that past your wife???

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  • Mikey081057
    Mikey081057 Posts: 7,127
    Vewy Vewy Quietwy
    My New Year's resolution is 3840 × 2160

    Family Room| Marantz AV7704| Usher Dancer Mini - 2 DMD Mains |Usher Dancer Mini-x DMD's Surrounds | Usher BE-616 DMD Center | SVS Ultra Rear Surrounds | Parasound Halo A21 | Parsound Halo A52+ | MIT Shotgun S3's | Dual SVS SB 4000 Ultras | Oppo UDP 203 | Directv Genie HD DVR | Samsung 75" Q8 QLED | PSAudio Stellar GCD | Mytek Brooklyn DAC+ | Lumin U1 Mini | HP Elite Slice PC | ROON'd for life |

    ManCave: HT:Polk LSiM 706VR3 LSiM 703's LSiM 702's|| Marantz AV7002 AV PrePro Sunfire TGA-7401| Sony PS4 Pro| Sony PS4 Pro|SVS PB13 Ultra| Oppo UDP 203 | Music Hall MMF 5.3se TT w/ Soundsmith Carmen | Samsung 55" SUHD TV | Sony PS4

    Patio | Polk Atrium 8's | Yamaha R-N303BL |

    Office BlueSound Node| KEF LS50 | Peactree Nova 125SE |

    Bedroom | Focal 905's | Chromecast Audio |

    Garage | Polk Monitor 5B's

    Closet Yamaha M80 | 2 Polk MP3K subs| Yaqin MC100B with Shuguang Treasures KT 88's & CV181Z's | Tesla E83CC's | Marantz 2252B | Marantz 2385 |Polk SDA SRS 2.3 | LSiM 705's |
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  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,600
    edited November 2016
    rpf65 wrote: »
    Joey_V wrote: »
    Update... I have a REL G1 coming to see what's what.

    What what...

    Enroute, delivery Tuesday.

    Kinda scared to go speakon to the Boulder... Last thing I want is to blow the Boulder as that would be terrible.

    How are you going to sneak that past your wife???

    I problem solve for a living.... so...

    Step 1:
    Pad the bank account, pay for the sub without anyone noticing.

    Step 2:
    Ship the sub and have it arrive when no one is home.

    Step 3:
    Buy beer. Phone a friend, help move it in place.

    Step 4:
    Keep the stereo room dark so the black gloss REL G1 stays incognito.

    .....

    hahahahaha...

    No but seriously... I have been told no items for purchase until Jan 1st 2017. If I cross the wife or break the pact, I am in a world of hurt.

    So, this one was courtesy of my friend who is buying 4 REL G1s for his dedicated room. I was able to convince him to re-route his G1s to my place so I can test it out while his house is being built.

    Think of it as a free lease on a G1.

    B)
    Magico M2, JL113v2x2, EMM, ARC Ref 10 Line, ARC Ref 10 Phono, VPIx2, Lyra Etna, Airtight Opus1, Boulder, AQ Wel&Wild, SRA Scuttle Rack, BlueSound+LPS, Thorens 124DD+124SPU, Sennheiser, Metaxas R2R
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  • rpf65
    rpf65 Posts: 2,127
    Sounds like professional blackmail to me.
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  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,600
    rpf65 wrote: »
    Sounds like professional blackmail to me.

    The best kind
    Magico M2, JL113v2x2, EMM, ARC Ref 10 Line, ARC Ref 10 Phono, VPIx2, Lyra Etna, Airtight Opus1, Boulder, AQ Wel&Wild, SRA Scuttle Rack, BlueSound+LPS, Thorens 124DD+124SPU, Sennheiser, Metaxas R2R
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  • WLDock
    WLDock Posts: 3,073
    edited November 2016
    Joey_V wrote: »
    Update... I have a REL G1 coming to see what's what.
    What what...
    Enroute, delivery Tuesday.
    Kinda scared to go speakon to the Boulder... Last thing I want is to blow the Boulder as that would be terrible.
    Now you've done it! Just in time for the Holiday. Nothing like a wall of $20K in bass to warm the season!

    ....and don't be worried about the Boulder Beast....that thing can drive 2 Ohm loads and has protection circuitry. The high level input impedance on the Rel is 150,000 ohms... the amp barely sees it and the output going to the speakers is almost unaffected.

    Now, you just have to find a way to keep those until the New Year....then find a way to get at least the SB16 and the Rythmik F15HP in the room. I think the $1399 Rythmik might surprise you.... Especially the fact that you can get four (line array! wink! wink!) for a little more than a single REL or two SB16. The Rythmik has high-level inputs also.
    http://www.rythmikaudio.com/download/A370PEQ3_quickguide.pdf

    It would be a cool showdown!

    It doesn't have the prestige of the REL or the hoopla of the SVS but its a great product at a reasonable price and can stand on its own in audiophile circles, the gloss is a looker also.
    JB6.jpg

    The Rhythmic is the one I would go for if I was in the market. I would love to do a couple of their DIY kits and flirted with the idea of some DIY speakers using their 8" DS800 CI - Direct Servo subs in some large towers like used in the Salk Exotica 3. However, I'm more of the budget DIY type and will go for the best value. $1179 for four 8 inchers and two 350 watt amps is not the best value out there in terms of DIY. LOL!
    2.2 Office Setup | LG 29UB55 21:9 UltraWide | HP Probook 630 G8 | Dell Latitude | Cabasse Stream Amp 100 | Boston Acoustics VS 240 | AUDIORAX Desk Stands | Sub 1 - Mirage Omni S8 | Sub 2 - Mirage Omni S8

    5.2 A/V Setup | OLED TV - Sony Bravia XR A80J 77" | Source - Fire TV 4K Max, Wiim Pro | AVR - Anthem MRX 520 | Speakers: Main - Boston Acoustics VR3 | Center - Boston Acoustics VR920 | Rear - Boston Acoustics VR-MX | Sub 1 - HSU VTF-2 mk3 | Sub 2 - HSU VTF-2 mk3
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  • ken brydson
    ken brydson Posts: 8,980
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKOe7uA3968&feature=youtu.be
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